Breaking: Explosion at Boston Marathon [2 dead, many injured] - Polidicks

[QUOTE=0FucksGiven;40297637]Asking the average civilian to hop to giving serious medical aid in a situation like this is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Sitting there and just taking photos like an assclown is also ridiculous. Move out of the way, help move debris off injury people. The part that bothers me, the first thing this person did was go for his camera instead of go for the nearest person on the ground.

[QUOTE=Brandy92;40297630]I didn't receive any medical training at school...[/QUOTE] It is not uncommon for schools to have a course on basic first aid.Where I am from every student has a mandatory 6 week first aid course during 7th or 8th grade. Covering basics like CPR, treating shock, stopping blood loss, etc.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297644]Putting a tourniquet on isn't playing doctor. its something they teach you in basic first aid. if there was plenty of aid going around, why was the person the on who the ground the photographer was hovering over, had no tourniquet on?[/QUOTE] I've never taken any kind of first aid class and have no idea how to make or apply a tourniquet. Odds are if I tried to help, I would make it worse for whomever I was attending.

I may go donate blood after class tomorrow. Its about an hour's drive from home, less from school.

[QUOTE=areolop;40297649]But really to be unexpected. People do two things: stay and help anyway they can, or they run and hide. We have good samaritan laws in place for a reason[/QUOTE] Or stand around.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297664]i though it was common to know, close a hose with some pressure and it prevents the fluid to come out.[/QUOTE] Bombs are going off, people are hurt, there's blood everywhere, people yelling and panicking It's easy to forget even the most basic of things in such chaos

[QUOTE=XanKrieger;40297661]Exactly, it's not like they are giving them CPR or the like. Some of these people lost entire limbs; At that point you need an EMT if they are gonna have any real medical hope of surviving the trip to a hospital; not a first aider.[/QUOTE] applying pressure to wounds is not very advance, and can save a person's life. hell even taking off your shirt and using it as bandages is very common knowledge to stop bleeding.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297666]Sitting there and just taking photos like an assclown is also ridiculous. Move out of the way, help move debris off injury people. The part that bothers me, the first thing this person did was go for his camera instead of go for the nearest person on the ground.[/QUOTE] To be fair on the people who grabbed cameras (or at least reporters and journalists) it needs to be documented in detail and analyzed. The average civilian just going for a camera is a bit less unacceptable though. Either be there and help or don't stand in peoples way.

Rumors going around that the guy in the wheelchair has passed according to BBC, not watching it so I can't confirm myself. I hope it's just a rumor.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297690]Bombs are going off, people are hurt, there's blood everywhere, people yelling and panicking It's easy to forget even the most basic of things in such chaos[/QUOTE] im not saying people who are panicking, im talking about idiots just taking pics.

Applying a tourniquet is extremely dangerous and can kill a person if done incorrectly.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297674]I've never taken any kind of first aid class and have no idea how to make or apply a tourniquet. Odds are if I tried to help, I would make it worse for whomever I was attending.[/QUOTE] Its easy, you take something that you can wrap around a limb, wrap it around, make it tight. Congrats. You can't make it worse unless you start grabbing the nub where their leg use to be and start tugging on it.

I would recommend you guys that have no first aid training sign up for a class, most fire departments offer them for free. They may help you save a life one day, [editline]edit[/editline] Also with the right instructor it can be fun.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297713]Its easy, you take something that you can wrap around a limb, wrap it around, make it tight. Congrats. You can't make it worse unless you start grabbing the nub where their leg use to be and start tugging on it.[/QUOTE] Why don't you get off your high horse? Out of all the injuries, only 3 have died. I think considering that, it went alright despite a few people snapping pictures.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297708]im not saying people who are panicking, im talking about idiots just taking pics.[/QUOTE] Schooled photographers are told to separate themselves from their subject. Knowing when or when not to involve yourself is very important. Photography is essential documentation and has in the past been the missing link to solving crimes.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297726]Why don't you get off your high horse? Out of all the injuries, only 3 have died. I think considering that, it went alright despite a few people snapping pictures.[/QUOTE] "yeah i didnt help him, i can see into the future and see that only 3 people were going to die, so i tried to snap a few photos instead" At that moment in time, no one knew the extend of the damage, or how many people were hurt, who died, or where going to die, hell we still don't know, to try to justify that for passing on helping people and opting for playing photographer is silly.

Not to mention it takes, literally, [I]a second to snap a picture.[/I] Who's to say someone didn't snap one, then immediately went to help?

[QUOTE=imptastick;40297721]I would recommend you guys that have no first aid training sign up for a class, most fire departments offer them for free. They may help you save a life one day,[/QUOTE] it was a requirement for everyone in my state to do a class of health, which explains what you should do in emergencies for first aid. tourniquets, CPR, concussions, even spinal damage was covered in it. plus i thought tourniquets were common knowledge on how to stop bleeding.

[QUOTE=imptastick;40297721]I would recommend you guys that have no first aid training sign up for a class, most fire departments offer them for free. They may help you save a life one day,[/QUOTE] ^This^ Makes me feel like I need to go for a refresher. I'm an Eagle scout, so I learned the stuff, but I've never had to use it. All of the scouts in troop were very competent, hell I was pretty much the only one that got hurt! With this happening it reminded me of how little first aid techniques I remember. Never know when I might need them...

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297751]Not to mention it takes, literally, [I]a second to snap a picture.[/I] Who's to say someone didn't snap one, then immediately went to help?[/QUOTE] Help, than snap. Photography should never be a priority in trying to help save someones life. You're just digging that hole deeper bro

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297713]Its easy, you take something that you can wrap around a limb, wrap it around, make it tight. Congrats. You can't make it worse unless you start grabbing the nub where their leg use to be and start tugging on it.[/QUOTE] It's real fuckin easy to say you could be running around applying tourniquets on everyone and being a big hero when you weren't there. You didn't experience the explosion, you didn't experience the chaos of the situation, and you didn't handle the aftermath first hand. Chances are the photographers were in shock and couldn't really think of doing anything else besides snapping pictures. I'm sure if they knew they could help or how to help and were level headed they would have snapped to it.

Somehow, I get the feeling that by tomorrow, the death toll will likely have risen extensively. This is only going to get worse.

[QUOTE=imptastick;40297721]I would recommend you guys that have no first aid training sign up for a class, most fire departments offer them for free. They may help you save a life one day, [editline]edit[/editline] Also with the right instructor it can be fun.[/QUOTE] Take a first responder class. First aid class is "Stand Clear" "I know CPR" "Call 911"

[QUOTE=Brandy92;40297734]Schooled photographers are told to separate themselves from their subject. Knowing when or when not to involve yourself is very important. Photography is essential documentation and has in the past been the missing link to solving crimes.[/QUOTE] this literally has nothing to do with anything unless they somehow got the bomber in a pic with a detonator or a bomb, which they didnt, they just took gory pics to get views.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297543]You know what bothers me about this. The person taking the photos. I see a guy, lying on the ground, no legs, and a guy just holding a camera clicking away. Anyone can put on a tourniquet, which can save a life easily.[/QUOTE] I get mad when I stub my toes on some furniture, if my legs got blown off and some guy showed up and started taking picture, I'd be pretty annoyed if I was lucid enough to notice.

Watching the BBC Stream. Interviewing a Doctor currently who's mentioned they have had to amputate several persons because of the damage done by the blast. He sounds understandably distraught and weary at it all. Bloody journalists asking him prying questions about how gruesome the wounds are, how he is feeling about the horror of it all, how young and old the victims are, what kind of amputations and damage the bombs did. Some of it comes across as just grim, as if we need a medical description of how shredded and traumatised some of the people got right now.

Guys, its not like the cameraman was stabbing people on the ground out there. Its clear there was a lot of qualified personnel out there who were helping those who needed it. Hell Boston has some of the best hospitals in the country. He's just doing what he could, even if it was snapping a few pictures. Its his job. It may seem cold on our end, but imagine if you were there, told to take pictures of the event and something like this happened. You'd take pictures. Without them, we wouldn't have as much of a clue how serious this is.

[QUOTE=Skyward;40297756]^This^ Makes me feel like I need to go for a refresher. I'm an Eagle scout, so I learned the stuff, but I've never had to use it. All of the scouts in troop were very competent, hell I was pretty much the only one that got hurt! With this happening it reminded me of how little first aid techniques I remember. Never know when I might need them...[/QUOTE] Yeah, I think I will study up and try to re-certify. I aced the tests back in ye olden days of freshman year of high school. I need a refresher. :v: As far as stopping bleeding of a severed limb, I'm pretty sure you just take something like a belt and tighten the fuck out of it until it stops bleeding, right?

[QUOTE=CAPT Opp4;40297773]Somehow, I get the feeling that by tomorrow, the death toll will likely have risen extensively. This is only going to get worse.[/QUOTE] At most, there have been 17 reported in critical condition, then they announced 1 more death so I'm assuming that number is 16 now. That would only be a total of 19 total deaths if all those in critical condition die, which I think is unlikely. Compared to the number of people injured and how many were in the streets at the time, I would consider that an extremely small number and even better if it stays at 3.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;40297782]I get mad when I stub my toes on some furniture, if my legs got blown off and some guy showed up and started taking picture, I'd be pretty annoyed if I was lucid enough to notice.[/QUOTE] You probably wouldn't give a fuck because you probably would have given a concussion by the explosion and in mind numbing pain from the fact your leg got blown off.