Breaking: Explosion at Boston Marathon [2 dead, many injured] - Polidicks

[QUOTE=0FucksGiven;40297769]It's real fuckin easy to say you could be running around applying tourniquets on everyone and being a big hero when you weren't there. You didn't experience the explosion, you didn't experience the chaos of the situation, and you didn't handle the aftermath first hand. Chances are the photographers were in shock and couldn't really think of doing anything else besides snapping pictures. I'm sure if they knew they could help or how to help and were level headed they would have snapped to it.[/QUOTE] If you're level headed enough to take photos, you're level headed to either 1:help move debris off people 2:help move people who can walk 3: get out of the way. If i was hurt, and I saw someone standing over me taking photos, i wouldn't be too happy with them. If they ran away, i wouldn't blame them, they're scared.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297777]this literally has nothing to do with anything unless they somehow got the bomber in a pic with a detonator or a bomb, which they didnt, they just took gory pics to get views.[/QUOTE] Oh, stop bitching. You're no expert. What happened, happened, and there will always be people with cameras. You'd have been shitting yourself if you were anywhere near what happened, frozen with fear, completely useless. Don't lay blame like some common fool, especially when you've never seen such things up close.

[QUOTE=areolop;40297774]Take a first responder class. First aid class is "Stand Clear" "I know CPR" "Call 911"[/QUOTE] no its stand clear, i know first aid/cpr, have someone call 911, apply first aid/cpr, then let police/firemen/EMTs take over. you just dont sit there letting them bleed out like a moron.

The closest I've ever been to something like this was when I was at a lighting ceremony for a hotel's Christmas tree. A guy was working with the horses on Santa's sleigh, and a band a ways off started playing. It spooked the horses, and the guy went down. He got stuck under the sleigh and was stepped on multiple times by the horses who had feet the size of dinner plates. He was dragged for a third of a mile before falling out of underneath it. Me and a few other guys sprinted like hell over to him, and were able to staunch the bleeding until paramedics came. He had to have reconstructive surgery on his face, chest and legs, plus a few other skin grafts and shitloads of splints, but he eventually lived. That doesn't even compare, and it may be a little off-topic, but I kinda had to vent it.

[QUOTE=Skyward;40297756]^This^ Makes me feel like I need to go for a refresher. I'm an Eagle scout, so I learned the stuff, but I've never had to use it. All of the scouts in troop were very competent, hell I was pretty much the only one that got hurt! With this happening it reminded me of how little first aid techniques I remember. Never know when I might need them...[/QUOTE] Same here (Eagle Scout), without scouting I probably would not know half of the first aid that I do. Every couple months my troop would have a couple hours at the local fire station for refreshers.

What was the word with New York 12 dead or something?

[QUOTE=archangel125;40297810]Oh, stop bitching. You're no expert. What happened, happened, and there will always be people with cameras. You'd have been shitting yourself if you were anywhere near what happened, frozen with fear, completely useless. Don't lay blame like some common fool, especially when you've never seen such things up close.[/QUOTE] im saying he could do literally ANYTHING else to help, hell he doesnt even have to apply first air and can just get out of the way. point is hes sitting right there taking pics instead of getting out of the way/ helping anyone. And i have seen my fucking sister fall down a cliff and bash her head into a rock making her face black and blue with a moved cheekbone. I did panic for 3 seconds, but i helped her get help.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297804]If you're level headed enough to take photos, you're level headed to either 1:help move debris off people 2:help move people who can walk 3: get out of the way. If i was hurt, and I saw someone standing over me taking photos, i wouldn't be too happy with them. If they ran away, i wouldn't blame them, they're scared.[/QUOTE] Since when does taking photos require a level head?

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297811]no its stand clear, i know first aid/cpr, have someone call 911, apply first aid/cpr, then let police/firemen/EMTs take over. you just dont sit there letting them bleed out like a moron.[/QUOTE] First responder allows you to provide a much higher quality of care though. Instead of "Call 911" (which you should do anyway in a situation like this) you ARE 911. You are able to treat minor wounds, assess patients, and provide BLS support -- The same level as Police officers. You could even go a step further, EMT-B, and learn ALS support.

It's pretty fucking clear that the people who were injured all were helped as soon as humanly possible with the minimal amount of casualties and deaths possible so what the serious fuck are you people doing griping about photographers?

Well this was derailed. Sorta..... [editline]16th April 2013[/editline] Not really I guess...

All the footage I've seen from immediately after the blast was pretty shitty, no level heads.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297826]im saying he could do literally ANYTHING else to help, hell he doesnt even have to apply first air and can just get out of the way. point is hes sitting right there taking pics instead of getting out of the way/ helping anyone.[/QUOTE] You weren't there. You're talking out of your ass, and you have no way of knowing the photographer didn't drop everything and help as soon as those pictures were taken. Don't come back talking to me about 'wasting precious seconds'. You'd have done no better, I promise you that. Most people would just run away with shit in their pants, and most did. This guy got in close, took pictures, and then may or may not have helped.

Been reading more about the ball-bearings they've been pulling out of people at hospitals, reportedly. Ugh. Sounds like whoever did this basically slapped together several beefed up [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Claymore_mine"]Claymore mine[/URL] type weapons from scratch. Just goes to show even more that the bomber(s) were trying super hard to deliberately maim people in horrific ways.

[QUOTE=areolop;40297774]Take a first responder class. First aid class is "Stand Clear" "I know CPR" "Call 911"[/QUOTE] Even basic first aid covers how to treat wounds. As for me, my scout troop was there often enough that we knew the instructor by name, he would set up a situation and we had to go in and "save" the victim. Also my brother is an EMT and that has helped.

I think the doctor handled those questions and the press very well

A bomb went off and several people died and hundreds are injured any you guys are seriously fucking arguing over people taking photos. Who fucking cares, they're not medical professionals. Its best that they separate themselves and not get in the way. Seeing as police, EMS, Fire & Rescue, and other services swarm the area. On top that that they should have really fled, you have no idea if other bombs are in the area waiting for more people to gather, you can run the risk of secondary explosions, etc. The point is, stop arguing over pointless and trivial matters and focus on what is important. Your stupid argument could be applied to any disaster or event.

I just remember you can sell you're fb account and twitter if it has a lot of likes/followers. So the guy who made up that marriage proposal story is actually capitalizing off this terror attack. Also fb pages about boston bombing made in saturday, what's up with that? Proxies to differant timezones?

[QUOTE=codemaster85;40297826]im saying he could do literally ANYTHING else to help, hell he doesnt even have to apply first air and can just get out of the way. point is hes sitting right there taking pics instead of getting out of the way/ helping anyone. And i have seen my fucking sister fall down a cliff and bash her head into a rock making her face black and blue with a moved cheekbone. I did panic for 3 seconds, but i helped her get help.[/QUOTE] You're acting like the photographer is just standing there like a moron for a long while with a camera in front of him drooling going "DURRR DUHH BUUUHHH". It's not how a camera works, and its NOT a human being works. He has a camera, he take it up, clicks the button, and OFF HE GOES. It takes a SPLIT SECOND to take a photo, and given the blurryness of the photos amidst the chaos, chance is they wanted to just document it as quickly as possible to move on and help immediately after. Stop making assumptions and stop being arrogant, please.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297804]If you're level headed enough to take photos, you're level headed to either 1:help move debris off people 2:help move people who can walk 3: get out of the way. If i was hurt, and I saw someone standing over me taking photos, i wouldn't be too happy with them. If they ran away, i wouldn't blame them, they're scared.[/QUOTE] I understand what your saying, but think about it this way. There was a lot of emergency staff on the location within seconds. Sometimes the worst thing is too many people helping and causing an alreay chaotic scene to be even more so when less qualified people are clogging up the pathways for the more experienced to come in and help. That being said, yes it would be easy for the photographer to at least help move things and such, but if you watch the footage, within seconds there were police and marathon staff on the scene. Photography is a way to explain and show what happened and to take record of it. Sometimes its all something can do in the moment. Maybe they were to frightened by the whole event and just kind of used their photographs to make sense of it all. At the end of the day its their jobs to take the photos. You kind of have to look at it in a sprawled back view to understand that sometimes having these photos is a good thing. Especially for the sake of the investigation. Just my two cents on that whole matter. Utter shame though this whole thing :(

There's so much information to sift through, does anyone have a short version of the most current info? I'm skimming the news sites, but they're either contradictory, or showing info from like 3 hours ago without updates alongside new info.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40297884]You're acting like the photographer is just standing there like a moron for a long while with a camera in front of him drooling going "DURRR DUHH BUUUHHH". It's not how a camera works, and its NOT a human being works. He has a camera, he take it up, clicks the button, and OFF HE GOES. It takes a SPLIT SECOND to take a photo, and given the blurryness of the photos amidst the chaos, chance is they wanted to just document it as quickly as possible to move on and help immediately after. Stop making assumptions and stop being arrogant, please.[/QUOTE] This. It doesn't take that long to just snap a photograph. I'm pretty sure the photographer immediately handled the situation by helping afterwards.

[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507[/url] standing over people, next to people on stretchers, getting in the way of providers most likely, standing in a crowded area. Yeah they're most likely getting in the way.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40297924]Lets look at the positives though, although there was a horrid event that occurred, at least it occurred near several major trauma centers, there were plenty of medical staff on hand, and the amount of casualties have been relatively light. If anything we can thank our respective deities that the yields were much lower than what they could have been.[/QUOTE] Unless the bomber/s strike again.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40297919']There's so much information to sift through, does anyone have a short version of the most current info? I'm skimming the news sites, but they're either contradictory, or showing info from like 3 hours ago without updates alongside new info.[/QUOTE] - 3 dead, at least 140 injured, 17 (as of an hour ago) in critical condition - At least 34 people have lost at least 1 limb - Two bombs went off -Between the bombings and now, 6 additional explosive devices were discovered in Boston - Bombs were filled with ball bearings -There was a fire at the JFK library at the time of the bombing. It is strongly believed to be unaffiliated with the bombing and a very bad coincidence -There was a bomb scare at one of the hospitals but has been confirmed a false alarm -As of 9pm, the police commissioner in Boston confirmed that there is NO suspects or arrests made.

[QUOTE=ScoutKing;40297934][url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507[/url] standing over people, next to people on stretchers, getting in the way of providers most likely, standing in a crowded area. Yeah they're most likely getting in the way.[/QUOTE] I don't see any photographers in these pictures, nor do I see anyone who is standing in the way. Most people seem to be aiding, apart from one or two which is kind of acceptable given the [I]SHOCK-INDUCING SCENARIO[/I].

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297939]- 3 dead, at least 140 injured, 17 (as of an hour ago) in critical condition - At least 34 people have lost at least 1 limb - Two bombs went off -Between the bombings and now, 6 additional explosive devices were discovered in Boston - Bombs were filled with ball bearings -There was a fire at the JFK library at the time of the bombing. It is strongly believed to be unaffiliated with the bombing and a very bad coincidence -There was a bomb scare at one of the hospitals but has been confirmed a false alarm -As of 9pm, the police commissioner in Boston confirmed that there is NO suspects or arrests made.[/QUOTE] two things, 34 limbs, holy shit thats a lot more than i would expect. two: the other bombs, are they just suspicious packages that EOD blew up, or where they actually confirmed to be actual explosives? [editline]16th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;40297950]I don't see any photographers in these pictures, nor do I see anyone who is standing in the way. Most people seem to be aiding, apart from one or two which is kind of acceptable given the [I]SHOCK-INDUCING SCENARIO[/I].[/QUOTE] Im referring to the guy taking the pictures.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;40297943]If they strike again with the same methods we can expect the same results. Limb damage with low loss of life. It'd suck but unless they improved their yields they aren't going to get ridiculous numbers.[/QUOTE] You don't have to kill someone to ruin their life and to make people afraid. These attacks were effective enough to scar even those who got away without a scratch.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297939]- 3 dead, at least 140 injured, 17 (as of an hour ago) in critical condition - At least 34 people have lost at least 1 limb - Two bombs went off -Between the bombings and now, 6 additional explosive devices were discovered in Boston - Bombs were filled with ball bearings -There was a fire at the JFK library at the time of the bombing. It is strongly believed to be unaffiliated with the bombing and a very bad coincidence -There was a bomb scare at one of the hospitals but has been confirmed a false alarm -As of 9pm, the police commissioner in Boston confirmed that there is NO suspects or arrests made.[/QUOTE] Did wheelchair guy die or no? I really hopes he makes it :c

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40297939] - Bombs were filled with ball bearings [/QUOTE] Ahh that explains a lot. Like the guy just falling over next to the explosion when it went off.