MSNBC on NYPD Police Brutality during Occupy Wall Street Lawrence O'donnell with "The Last Call" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Vaught;32531312]It's a valiant effort, but change doesn't happen because someone tweets it to a bunch of his friends. Change doesn't happen because a bunch of people decided to sit in the city hall to stop a gov'ner from taking teachers' bargaining rights away. Change doesn't happen because you throw picket signs in the air and shout at the top of your lungs. I don't know what would really cause a change. Perhaps you're right, perhaps one should keep the message alive and have it spread country-wide, if not world-wide. Show that people have done nothing wrong and yet are oppressed for merely exercising their rights. But, as Mr. Jensen so aptly put it: "[I]If you want to make enemies, try to change something[/I]". I really hope something comes out of this. I'm tired of turning on the news to see more of this with no retribution. I'm just tired of it.[/QUOTE] I know what causes change. Some people might rate me dumb or dissagree with me, but I'm going to give you my point of view anyways. It's called Civil disobedience, and the US needs LOTS of it.

[QUOTE=barttool;32532608]I know what causes change. Some people might rate me dumb or dissagree with me, but I'm going to give you my point of view anyways. It's called Civil disobedience, and the US needs LOTS of it.[/QUOTE] No Justice, No Peace; basically?

We need some full blown riots. Which is what this might possibly turn into. People will only stay peaceful for so long while you beat and pepper spray them.

[QUOTE=rundevil;32532644]No Justice, No Peace; basically?[/QUOTE] civil disobedience isn't meant to be violent

This is starting to seriously concern me.

[QUOTE=slogsdon;32532734]civil disobedience isn't meant to be violent[/QUOTE] I was just asking him to clarify what he meant, especially since the riot post directly after mine. [QUOTE=its shortie;32532705]We need some full blown riots. Which is what this might possibly turn into. People will only stay peaceful for so long while you beat and pepper spray them.[/QUOTE] no, that'll make things worse. give them a reason to be violent.

[QUOTE=rundevil;32532644]No Justice, No Peace; basically?[/QUOTE] these protests are necessary nonetheless, it brings awareness to the people, about the injustice and oppresiveness of their government and how their so self-righteously named land of the freedom country, is after all, not so free. If the US government keeps taking rights off of their people, soon protests will turn to riots and so it goes on.

[QUOTE=rundevil;32532774]I was just asking him to clarify what he meant, especially since the riot post directly after mine. no, that'll make things worse. give them a reason to be violent.[/QUOTE] Depending on the state and the gun laws, it can get very violent.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32531704]I'm no legal expert, but I think it might begin to enter the realm of disorderly conduct.[/QUOTE] If you ignore them when they tell you to physically do something yes, but I can't really find any legal grounds for having to listen to an officer who tells you to stop speaking. They simply can't do that.

I'm heading up to NYC to join in the protests tomorrow. Wish me luck!

Something that outrages me too is the constant media blackout there has been related to the protests. so far I have only seen two short 30 seconds reports on CNN and nothing else.

at least NPR's been reporting on it npr best news outlet of the year every year

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;32533013]I'm heading up to NYC to join in the protests tomorrow. Wish me luck![/QUOTE] Have fun getting your eye's pepper-sprayed into oblivion because you're in the same crowd as people attacking police officers.

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;32533131]Have fun getting your eye's pepper-sprayed into oblivion because you're in the same crowd as people attacking police officers.[/QUOTE] how's the whole not reading/paying attention thing working out for you?

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;32533013]I'm heading up to NYC to join in the protests tomorrow. Wish me luck![/QUOTE] Good luck sir, Hope you can remain safe! I'll be joining you in spirit on the 8th!

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;32533013]I'm heading up to NYC to join in the protests tomorrow. Wish me luck![/QUOTE] don't die

[QUOTE=Fahrenheit;32533013]I'm heading up to NYC to join in the protests tomorrow. Wish me luck![/QUOTE] make sure you take some water in case you need to wash your eyes dude.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;32533258]make sure you take some water in case you need to wash your eyes dude.[/QUOTE] or goggles fashionable and useful

[QUOTE=hoodoo456;32533131]Have fun getting your eye's pepper-sprayed into oblivion because you're in the same crowd as people attacking police officers.[/QUOTE] Hoodoo, are you on denial of the issues in your country or something?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32533004]If you ignore them when they tell you to physically do something yes, but I can't really find any legal grounds for having to listen to an officer who tells you to stop speaking. They simply can't do that.[/QUOTE] [quote=RCW 9A.84.030] (1) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if the person: [b](a) Uses abusive language and thereby intentionally creates a risk of assault;[/b] (b) Intentionally disrupts any lawful assembly or meeting of persons without lawful authority; (c) Intentionally obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic without lawful authority; or (d)(i) Intentionally engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct or makes unreasonable noise, within five hundred feet of: (A) The location where a funeral or burial is being performed; (B) A funeral home during the viewing of a deceased person; (C) A funeral procession, if the person described in this subsection (1)(d) knows that the funeral procession is taking place; or (D) A building in which a funeral or memorial service is being conducted; and (ii) Knows that the activity adversely affects the funeral, burial, viewing, funeral procession, or memorial service. (2) Disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor.[/quote] In my state it [i]could[/i] be. Realistically a police officer could bring you in on it and you could practically spend your whole sentence waiting for your first few hearings(assuming you don't get bail or pr). It's literally only a couple days for a misdemeanor, so the prosecution office might not even choose to press charges but you would still effectively serve a disorderly conduct sentence. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] This applies to my state(washington) btw. I don't know the revised codes of the other states. And yea, disorderly conduct is used exactly as I implied it. An officer can arrest you for it for the smallest shit just to get you off the street for a night or two, or to be vindictive.

The press is not IAB. Telling the public about it isn't going to solve anything. IAB is there for a reason.

[QUOTE=Lizurd Man;32534262]The press is not IAB. Telling the public about it isn't going to solve anything. IAB is there for a reason.[/QUOTE] IAB? [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] for those interested enjoining the Occupy protests, here is a link to help find your local group: [url]http://anontv.tirevs.net/kickFlash/widgetHomepage.jsp?width=490&height=490&title=Occupy+USA+Directory+App&description&img=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.kickstatic.com%2Fkickapps%2Fimages%2F68885%2Fphotos%2FWIDGET_499653_ap_160X160.jpg&widgetHost=http%3A%2F%2Fserve.a-widget.com&wmode=transparent&as=68885&wid=499653&cVars=n%2526revision%253D14[/url]

Why didn't the other protesters do anything about it? Sure, they're cops, but they lose their rights the moment they step over the fucking line.

[QUOTE=nikomo;32535495]Why didn't the other protesters do anything about it? Sure, they're cops, but they lose their rights the moment they step over the fucking line.[/QUOTE] when the other side has weapons and you don't, there's not much you can do or should do given that the perception will be against your side

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32533566]In my state it [i]could[/i] be. Realistically a police officer could bring you in on it and you could practically spend your whole sentence waiting for your first few hearings(assuming you don't get bail or pr). It's literally only a couple days for a misdemeanor, so the prosecution office might not even choose to press charges but you would still effectively serve a disorderly conduct sentence.[/QUOTE] Abusive language [i]and thereby[/i] creates a risk of assault Unless they mean creates a risk of the cop committing assault :v:

[QUOTE=slogsdon;32535594]when the other side has weapons and you don't, there's not much you can do or should do given that the perception will be against your side[/QUOTE] The cops have 20-30 guys and guns. The protesters number in the hundreds.

As bad as it sounds, I think we need full-blown riots. You know what will get media coverage? Attempts to overthrow an abusive government.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;32536886]As bad as it sounds, I think we need full-blown riots. You know what will get media coverage? Attempts to overthrow an abusive government.[/QUOTE] Abusive? Look, it's not the government that's abusive, it's stupid people. This is horrible and never should have happened, but as long as people have any sort of superiority (i.e. guns and pepper spray) it's going to sooner or later. It's abuse of power. And, besides, if you want to see an abusive govenment, look in places in the Middle East and such. At the moment, all you guys are is corrupt.

London Riots were different from this, London Riots were people crying about a drug dealer who was shot for shooting at police, which makes sense, if someone shot at me I would do the exact same, and so would many of you. It was mindless rage and everyone involved in the looting should just be shot. Wall street are protests, your not stealing from a man's business or destroying his shop, your protesting for your views and beliefs to be heard. The Met Police also acted poorly during that riot and should have used more tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons and batons, but their boss was a pussy and nothing useful was done. London can't be compared to the current protests in Wall Street, different situation. This is police brutality, but most police brutality is overlooked and is called out by oversensitive and criminals who can't deal with getting put onto the ground or punched for acting aggressively. I live in Canada, our cops never even use their guns and I wish they would. I've seen drunk Americans downtown on the weekend call police brutality for the thightness of their cuffs. I would love to see a drug dealer get a beating outside like you hear about in the States, or that a pedophile was shot dead at the scene instead of put into prison.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;32537142]London Riots were different from this, London Riots were people crying about a drug dealer who was shot for shooting at police, which makes sense, if someone shot at me I would do the exact same, and so would many of you. It was mindless rage and everyone involved in the looting should just be shot. Wall street are protests, your not stealing from a man's business or destroying his shop, your protesting for your views and beliefs to be heard. The Met Police also acted poorly during that riot and should have used more tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons and batons, but their boss was a pussy and nothing useful was done. London can't be compared to the current protests in Wall Street, different situation. This is police brutality, but most police brutality is overlooked and is called out by oversensitive and criminals who can't deal with getting put onto the ground or punched for acting aggressively. I live in Canada, our cops never even use their guns and I wish they would. I've seen drunk Americans downtown on the weekend call police brutality for the thightness of their cuffs. I would love to see a drug dealer get a beating outside like you hear about in the States, or that a pedophile was shot dead at the scene instead of put into prison.[/QUOTE] Don't turn this into a death penalty thread, please. I really can't be bothered with it.