Arizona religious freedom bill riles LGBT right supporters - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44021319]Well, what does this legislature change, then?[/QUOTE] only thing it changes that people can use religion as an excuse

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44021319]Well, what does this legislature change, then?[/QUOTE] [quote]A. Free exercise of religion is a fundamental right that applies in this state even if laws, rules or other government actions are facially neutral. B. Except as provided in subsection C, [del]government[/del] OF THIS SECTION, STATE ACTION shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.[/quote] [url]http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/hb2153p.pdf[/url] Pretty innocuous stuff

[QUOTE=James xX;44016363]Although I disagree with this bill for lots of reasons, being gay being one of them, I don't really see why people feel the need to show of their sexuality anyway? Does a gay man really need to go telling everyone about his sexual orientation, or can't he keep that sort of stuff to himself unless he's actively looking for a partner?[/QUOTE] why should a gay person have to keep it to themself? it's not about 'showing' it, it's about not having to hide it. [editline]24th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sword and Paint;44017881]I think if it's their business, they can refuse service to you for any reason. At the end of the day, it's their business, and if they want to loose business by discriminating against customers and get bad publicity, that's up to them.[/QUOTE] except at the end of the day, it ISN'T just their business. no man is a island in this modern world, and unless they live out in the wilderness they rely on public roads, on energy companies, if it's a restaurant than the food they serve relies on government regulation to be safe to consume and all sorts of shit like that [editline]24th February 2014[/editline] i don't think places open to the public should be allowed to refuse service for any stupid reason. like, if they're being rowdy as hell and ignore warnings, sure, if there's a dress code they're not obeying, then sure. if you just don't like the look of them? nah

tbh i don't see why serving a gay person would be different from anyone else in most circumstances. outside of being asked to conduct the wedding ceremony or anything else to do with the wedding it really shouldn't be an issue. i guess if you don't want to serve someone you can now just assume they're gay and say it's your religious freedom?

Shouldn't a private organization have the right to refuse service to anyone they damn well please? [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] If they discriminate, boycott and spread the word that they're shitheads.

See, I think that some of the people arguing for the supposed rights of the business owners are missing a key fact: When you are suing a business for discrimination, you must be able to [b]prove[/b] that you were discriminated against in a way that is legally forbidden. For example, if a black man is banned or kicked out of a cafe, he must prove that his removal from said business was based on the color of his skin. There's probably a variety of ways of at least creating a decent case for or against (on the customer's side "He was agitated about my race" or the business owner's side "he was an unruly an disruptive customer"), but I'm not entirely familiar with them.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;44034982]Shouldn't a private organization have the right to refuse service to anyone they damn well please? [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] If they discriminate, boycott and spread the word that they're shitheads.[/QUOTE] if it's open to the public it's not a private organization

We live in an era where people are successful in changing the character designs of multi-million game dev companies and removing politically-incorrect jokes from eminent comedians. The companies that enforce this won't live too long.