Trump Bringing One of Bill Clinton's Mistresses to the Front Row of the Debates - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51100926] "SJW's" admit it or not there is a rather sizable group of liberals with twitter or blogs who actively go out of their way to ruin people both socially and professionally and try to silence all opposition. [/QUOTE] If by 'SJWs' you mean people who think you shouldn't ban all brown people, or racially profile minorities for simply being minorities, or compartmentalize refugees from war into being fucking poisoned skittles. People complaining about 'political correctness' may have had a point once upon a time, but if they did, its since been entirely lost to people using it as a shield for saying unabashedly bigoted things.

In addition, Trump grabbing the White House means the endlessly destructive Republicans get even more power. They must be ousted.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51101014]Very democratic.[/QUOTE] Only by voting out a majority of the Republicans can our country continue to move forward.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51100926]I can see why some people would be for Trump. "SJW's" admit it or not there is a rather sizable group of liberals with twitter or blogs who actively go out of their way to ruin people both socially and professionally and try to silence all opposition.[/QUOTE] These people do exist and they do cause harm (believe me, I live on a university campus), but they're a small minority of people outside of the internet and the circlejerk of "Anti-SJW" people is just as likely to cherry pick facts and sometimes straight up lie about things in order to push their own political agenda. [QUOTE]As for America 'not winning', with Obamacare being a half-ass solution and corporations are able to outsource jobs while people at home who are losing them have no alternatives to bring income to the household. Sure, they can get a job in a different industry but as we have seen those jobs don't pay as well. We went from manufacturing to service focused and people can barely afford to put a roof over their head let alone afford healthcare I really can understand why they would feel that way.[/QUOTE] The Obama Administration has more than halved the national deficit and created at least tens of thousands of jobs while providing healthcare to people who couldn't have access to it previously, but there hasn't been much media communication about that so people don't know that. Obama fixed up many of the problems caused by the Bush Administration. A lot of people think the Obama Administration is futile because they just watch the television news that only cares about gossip, spin and controversy. [QUOTE]Is Trump the correct choice for the shrinking middle class? Obviously not but do you really think Clinton will go out of her way to help them when Obama failed? It's natural for people to look to their own interests first and those close to them.[/QUOTE] In addendum to my previous point (Obama has actually done a lot to help the middle class, you just don't hear about it because it isn't controversial), Clinton has taken up many of the policies from the Bernie camp that so many people apparently supported but nobody seems to care. It's as if television news broadcasts have conditioned people to only pay attention to politics if it's exciting like a reality television show. Nobody cares about the Clinton Foundation receiving money from wealthy benefactors because their too busy speculating over whether she murdered a bunch of people. It's people arguing over petty controversies that allows things like the Birther movement to gain traction as legitimate issues. If people just ignored this stuff or better yet made fun of it instead of legitimizing it then we wouldn't have this situation where a presidential candidate can just keep saying outrageous things and get more and more free publicity. However, that can't happen as long as people need to facilitate their own egos by constantly bringing up how much better they are than the "racists and the bigots" or the "evil SJWs". Social Media is also to blame for facilitating and encouraging this kind of behavior. [video=youtube;SlKao_Pox5A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlKao_Pox5A[/video]

Another thing which I would like to address is how people are saying almost all Trump supporters are hardliners or whatever the myth of alt-right subversion is. Most of us are pushed into a position where we [I]have[/I] to vote Republican. Do you support gun rights? Do you support proper management of the border and dealing with human trafficking? You have to vote Republican/Trump on the national level, no exceptions. Voting Libertarian or Independent is not an option because they are to small to make a difference, and voting for Clinton is putting yourself in a bed of nails for certain things you believe in. Within North Dakota, I'm not locked into any specific party when it comes to voting. This is an amazing thing for myself, because it means that I don't have to vote in hardliners for our state representatives or local administrations. I have the choice to vote for Democrat-NPL, Independent, Libertarian, or Republican and have the realization that I'm voting based on the merits of the person I choose, not their parties policies. National level, though? It doesn't work like that. It's a damn shame it's like that as well.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51101045]The country will only move forward when your own set of beliefs dominate![/QUOTE] The GOP policies of the past have clearly worked so well!

[QUOTE=Cructo;51101045]The country will only move forward when your own set of beliefs dominate![/QUOTE] Republicans are cutting up the country and selling pieces to the highest bidder while stamping on the faces of the less fortunate and less protected in our society. I'd fucking remove them myself if I could get away with it.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51101029]Another thing which I would like to address is how people are saying almost all Trump supporters are hardliners or whatever the myth of alt-right subversion is. Most of us are pushed into a position where we [I]have[/I] to vote Republican. Do you support gun rights? Do you support proper management of the border and dealing with human trafficking? You have to vote Republican/Trump on the national level, no exceptions. Voting Libertarian or Independent is not an option because they are to small to make a difference, and voting for Clinton is putting yourself in a bed of nails for certain things you believe in. Within North Dakota, I'm not locked into any specific party when it comes to voting. This is an amazing thing for myself, because it means that I don't have to vote in hardliners for our state representatives or local administrations. I have the choice to vote for Democrat-NPL, Independent, Libertarian, or Republican and have the realization that I'm voting based on the merits of the person I choose, not their parties policies. National level, though? It doesn't work like that. It's a damn shame it's like that as well.[/QUOTE] One of the reasons given for supporting Trump that one of the proponents in the article I posted pointed out was that [QUOTE]I think it comes down to a perception that America has already drowned in a post-modernist nightmare of moral relativism, from which extreme political correctness and protest culture stem. [b]Trump, on the other hand, is all absolutes. Everything he says, accurate or not, is stated in absolute, definitive terms.[/b] His personal morality is clear: He respects people who work hard, are loyal, innovate, and “win,” and he shuns those who don’t meet the criteria. Cruel as it may sound, I think America needs to reenergize these fundamental cultural values before we can ever hope to create a better society.[/QUOTE] I dislike this idea of thinking in absolutes specifically because there a wide range of political opinions a person can hold on a wide range of different issues for a wide range of different reasons. When a huge number of people operate on these black-and-white, absolutist, with-us-or-against-us terms, it makes a situation where eventually everyone is either a Stalinist or a neo-nazi and there's no room for nuanced discussion. I'm not saying you think this, or even that most Donald Trump supports think this. But a certain number of people cite this reason in particular as to why we need a "strong leader" and I fundamentally disagree with it.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51101045]The country will only move forward when your own set of beliefs dominate![/QUOTE] You've ignored every source or citation as to why his policies are actually bad so what do you want to hear that you'll actually react to

[QUOTE=Cructo;51101045]The country will only move forward when your own set of beliefs dominate![/QUOTE] Instead of looking for what's wrong with the arguments of your political adversaries, perhaps it would be more constructive to attempt to understand why people you disagree with think the way they do. For example, instead of people asking you why you support Trump, you could ask people why they think Clinton is better than Trump and list some reasons (with sources) why that isn't true. I'm saying this because you seem to be more interested in the inherent hypocrisy involved in supporting Clinton while others are more interested in badgering you over the qualms of policy details and specific quotes. If you're trying to 'rage against the machine', so to speak, you first need to explain what 'the machine' is that you're raging against. I might be totally off my mark here, but I hope the point I'm making is clear in that I don't really understand what you're arguing but I'm interested to hear what you have to say.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51101053]Republicans are cutting up the country and selling pieces to the highest bidder while stamping on the faces of the less fortunate and less protected in our society. I'd fucking remove them myself if I could get away with it.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously advocating a form of genocide?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51101173]Are you seriously advocating a form of genocide?[/QUOTE] In the same way Will Smith advocated genocide and Donald Trump advocates presidential assassinations, yes :v:.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51101173]Are you seriously advocating a form of genocide?[/QUOTE] Zyler already stole this point, but it is golden. If you read into his statement enough to believe he said that, then by definition, I find it very hard to believe you don't see the intended remarks Trump made as the calls for assassination that they realistically are vague enough to be interpreted as(even though I believe he meant to say it that way, vague enough to mean it both ways but clear enough to rile up those that think he was making that statement on both sides of the fence).

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51101103]You've ignored every source or citation as to why his policies are actually bad so what do you want to hear that you'll actually react to[/QUOTE] "Trump is a good guy and doing nothing wrong" Like does anyone think Cructo will listen to anything else? He's ignored the last hundred posts people have proved him wrong on, he's not going to start now lol.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51100693]You have to admit that an overwhelmingly large portion of Trump supporters attack Clinton supporters.[/QUOTE] I'm completely impartial in this whole thing on the grounds that I really can't be asked to give a shit about which of those two clowns are less bad than the other, so I'm just going to go ahead and say that you'd have to be [I]pretty fucking delusional[/I] to not see the same shit happening with overzealous Clinton supporters (or left wing voters in general, really) shit all over Trump supporters. I could pick anecdotal examples but you'd only respond with more anecdotal examples. People are dicks. People who are dicks become even more massive dicks when politics are involved. You're supposed to win political disagreements by proving your supported policies are somehow better suited for the situation than the opponent's, not by playing he said/she said. Grow up, you and all the other fear mongering idiots saying trump being elected will be [I][B]THE END OF SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT[/B][/I]. He's a mildly stupid liar with a bad haircut, not Hitler with a vengeance.

Do we have a bingo card for the first debate yet?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51101296]I'm completely impartial in this whole thing on the grounds that I really can't be asked to give a shit about which of those two clowns are less bad than the other, so I'm just going to go ahead and say that you'd have to be [I]pretty fucking delusional[/I] to not see the same shit happening with overzealous Clinton supporters (or left wing voters in general, really) shit all over Trump supporters. I could pick anecdotal examples but you'd only respond with more anecdotal examples. People are dicks. People who are dicks become even more massive dicks when politics are involved. You're suppose to win political disagreements by proving your supported policies are somehow better suited for the situation than the opponent's, not by playing he said/she said. Grow up, you and all the other fear mongering idiots saying trump being elected will be [I][B]THE END OF SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT[/B][/I]. He's a mildly stupid liar with a bad haircut, not Hitler with a vengeance.[/QUOTE] It honestly isn't a Trump presidency I'm afraid of. He's not going to be doing anything. Pence will be president in all but name and [B]that[/B] is horrifying. Trumps going to use whatever he can to generate money and wealth for himself while trying to keep his name clean and he's going to get out. There will be a lot of damage done to the life of the average american tax payer, but no, it isn't the "doomsday" on that front. Pence will however, push legislation to harm the LGBT communities. Pence will gut education. And under a Trump presidency, I'm pretty sure there will be some serious issues to contend with in regards to healthcare, and infrastructure, environment, I mean my mind blanks because really, he's going to have a negative affect on every element of social policy inside the US, he won't be healthy for US/China/Russia relations which is really bad. He's not the end of the world but it's just not going to be good for anyone but Trump really.

[QUOTE=Maegord;51100983]If by 'SJWs' you mean people who think you shouldn't ban all brown people, or racially profile minorities for simply being minorities, or compartmentalize refugees from war into being fucking poisoned skittles. People complaining about 'political correctness' may have had a point once upon a time, but if they did, its since been entirely lost to people using it as a shield for saying unabashedly bigoted things.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about those people, get real. I'm talking about these people: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmvEkikg1k[/media] video is from h3h3 but it is the only one that I can find where the hosts aren't annoying and show the video. There are quite a few amount of these individuals out there, and as much as I loathe to mention it, gamergate saw many of them go out of their way to smear others who disagreed with them.

But people say he's going to be the end of society as we know it because of how little he seems to understand about the nuclear arsenal he has available as president. In a security briefing with one of the heads of security and defense, Trump asked 3 separate times "Why can't we use nukes". You can ignore that if you want, but it's telling man.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51101296]I'm completely impartial in this whole thing on the grounds that I really can't be asked to give a shit about which of those two clowns are less bad than the other, so I'm just going to go ahead and say that you'd have to be [I]pretty fucking delusional[/I] to not see the same shit happening with overzealous Clinton supporters (or left wing voters in general, really) shit all over Trump supporters. I could pick anecdotal examples but you'd only respond with more anecdotal examples. People are dicks. People who are dicks become even more massive dicks when politics are involved. You're suppose to win political disagreements by proving your supported policies are somehow better suited for the situation than the opponent's, not by playing he said/she said. Grow up, you and all the other fear mongering idiots saying trump being elected will be [I][B]THE END OF SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT[/B][/I]. He's a mildly stupid liar with a bad haircut, not Hitler with a vengeance.[/QUOTE] This, right here. Life would be so much sweeter if we could go 5 seconds without fearmongering about political adversaries. Your (perceived) decision in what effectively amounts to a choice between a turd and a douche should not dictate your value as a human being. We should point out when a public figure says or does something wrong or egregious, but we should do so in a half-joking manner and not make our politics too personal. This isn't because the issues aren't serious or the debates are unimportant, but because it can be seriously harmful to take such things so personally when you have no actual control over the outcome. It may seem counter-inituive, but the best way to mitigate harm to yourself and others and have constructive conversations (as well as convincing others of your point of view) is to be able to make fun of things, to be aware of the irony of your own situation and emphasize with others who feel the same regardless of their political affiliation. We're human beings, not logical computers. We communicate through memes and not facts. Praise be to Kek.

[QUOTE=Blazyd;51101305]Do we have a bingo card for the first debate yet?[/QUOTE] I don't know but [url=https://my.mixtape.moe/udtxfo.psd]here's a template[/url] I made for a SH bingo. I'd sure prefer to see people use it for fun and to make jokes about either opponents rather than shoehorn their ideologies in and try to push an agenda, though. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51101310]It honestly isn't a Trump presidency I'm afraid of. He's not going to be doing anything. Pence will be president in all but name and [B]that[/B] is horrifying. Trumps going to use whatever he can to generate money and wealth for himself while trying to keep his name clean and he's going to get out. There will be a lot of damage done to the life of the average american tax payer, but no, it isn't the "doomsday" on that front. Pence will however, push legislation to harm the LGBT communities. Pence will gut education. And under a Trump presidency, I'm pretty sure there will be some serious issues to contend with in regards to healthcare, and infrastructure, environment, I mean my mind blanks because really, he's going to have a negative affect on every element of social policy inside the US, he won't be healthy for US/China/Russia relations which is really bad. He's not the end of the world but it's just not going to be good for anyone but Trump really.[/QUOTE] I don't know half the thing about either candidate's policies, and even if I knew about them, I wouldn't trust half a thing concerning them because presidents across the globe have been known time and time again to back out of key policies during their campaigns or severely alter them. A huge issue with those elections is that people, even those who believe they're somehow thinking out of the box and able to read the candidates for who they really are, are gullible as shit when it comes to the plans these candidates have. Voting has always been a massive gamble, no matter the system or the era, because whoever you're voting for may just do a 180 and adopt radically different policies, or do absolutely nothing at all, or throw mud at a wall and have none of it stick.

trump won't instantly ruin everything, he won't have the power to, even if he wins by a landslide in his contest to move into the presidential palace (which he'll probably refurbish to suit his vanity) but if he is a reflection of a new trend in american politics then i foresee only a decline for the nation as its voters get exactly what they voted for - which is a slow decay under candidates who publicly announce they don't care for the laws nor principles of the nation they are ruling

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51101312]I'm not talking about those people, get real. I'm talking about these people: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmvEkikg1k[/media] video is from h3h3 but it is the only one that I can find where the hosts aren't annoying and show the video. There are quite a few amount of these individuals out there, and as much as I loathe to mention it, gamergate saw many of them go out of their way to smear others who disagreed with them.[/QUOTE] Hopefully you realize that these are a small number of people compared to the overall number of left-leaning people, certainly not enough to be spinning off an entirely separate counter-movement (which in of itself wouldn't be an issue if some members of THAT group didn't tar a load of left-wing or centrist people under the same brush of 'SJW'). [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;51101332]I don't know but [url=https://my.mixtape.moe/udtxfo.psd]here's a template[/url] I made for a SH bingo. I'd sure prefer to see people use it for fun and to make jokes about either opponents rather than shoehorn their ideologies in and try to push an agenda, though. I don't know half the thing about either candidate's policies, and even if I knew about them, I wouldn't trust half a thing concerning them because presidents across the globe have been known time and time again to back out of key policies during their campaigns or severely alter them. A huge issue with those elections is that people, even those who believe they're somehow thinking out of the box and able to read the candidates for who they really are, are gullible as shit when it comes to the plans these candidates have. Voting has always been a massive gamble, no matter the system or the era, because whoever you're voting for may just do a 180 and adopt radically different policies, or do absolutely nothing at all, or throw mud at a wall and have none of it stick.[/QUOTE] I don't mind your stance on things because it's logically consistent. I have an issue with people who say THE OTHER GUY is a lying, cheatin' sonofabitch and then they don't apply the same scrutiny to their own political candidate. Some Trump supporters do this, where they accuse Clinton of being this evil person who lies all the time when their own candidate lies just as much, if not more. Those are the types of people that some of us get mad at in SH threads for being disingenuous. I'm sure some Clinton supporters do this too.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51101313]But people say he's going to be the end of society as we know it because of how little he seems to understand about the nuclear arsenal he has available as president. In a security briefing with one of the heads of security and defense, Trump asked 3 separate times "Why can't we use nukes". You can ignore that if you want, but it's telling man.[/QUOTE] that nuke thing was from a "unnamed source" from MSNBC [URL="http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html"]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51100232]What does he hope to achieve by doing this? Does he think that Hillary Clinton cares? Really? What an incredibly underhanded action. But it could easily backfire.[/QUOTE] Elections aren't about making you look better than the opponent, but the opponent looking worse than you. Pretty sad

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51100301]Can't this backfire very easily? Hasn't Trump's wives cheated on him, or is that pure rumour? Can't Clinton simply refuse to talk about personal issues, be the bigger woman?[/QUOTE] Oh it could. We don't know what dirt Clinton's campaign has dug up. There's no telling what bombs she has in the hangar, nor is there any telling what Trump has that he hasn't waved around in front of everyone. Truly sad thing is that if they both start throwing these bombs around they're both going to lose the debate. And reaffirm many people's 'Washington is a great big daycare' mindset.

[QUOTE]Hopefully you realize that these are a small number of people compared to the overall number of left-leaning people,[/QUOTE] No. Both sides' ideas are bad and are meant to produce this sort of behavior or produce moral justification for it.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51101347]] I don't mind your stance on things because it's logically consistent. I have an issue with people who say THE OTHER GUY is a lying, cheatin' sonofabitch and then they don't apply the same scrutiny to their own political candidate.[/QUOTE] Fucking truth. If you vote Trump over Hillary because of guns or for lower taxes or to get rid of the ACA or a tangible policy stance than whatever, its logical. I'd still argue the demerits ofnthese positions but it makes sense to favor the candidate who says these things over the one that doesn't. What gets me is the people who clearly don't like or agree with Trump at all but will still vote for him because Clinton is a corrupt liar, but when you try to explain to them that Trump is also a corrupt liar they are totally nonreceptive.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51100568]They alienated themselves when they aligned with the very avatar of everything wrong with humanity.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Disgruntled;51101053]Republicans are cutting up the country and selling pieces to the highest bidder while stamping on the faces of the less fortunate and less protected in our society. I'd fucking remove them myself if I could get away with it.[/QUOTE] What kind of saddens me here is just how incapable you are of empathizing with others in terms of point of view. While I might personally not agree with Democrat ideology, I can at least get a decent understanding of why one would hold such views without internally painting them as some awful hitler-like caricature. I have friends who are socialists. I have friends who are ancaps. We're all buying wings for this Monday's debate and sitting down to enjoy the show together. And we can do all of this without making obscure hints to wanting to literally murder people of different political belief. Amazing, isn't it? [QUOTE=Blazyd;51101305]Do we have a bingo card for the first debate yet?[/QUOTE] I've been trying to formulate a bingo card for the aforementioned debate party, but I literally cannot think up of a card. This election is way too fucking unpredictable. I mean, I guess 9/11 will always have a square, but everything else is either simply way too obvious (eg: clinton's emails) or simply entirely unpredictable. Right now, I've got September 11th, the Alt-Right, the Ku Klux Klan, and Benghazi-- with 'ad hominem' as the free space. What else?

[QUOTE=Monkah;51102218]What kind of saddens me here is just how incapable you are of empathizing with others in terms of point of view. While I might personally not agree with Democrat ideology, I can at least get a decent understanding of why one would hold such views without internally painting them as some awful hitler-like caricature. I have friends who are socialists. I have friends who are ancaps. We're all buying wings for this Monday's debate and sitting down to enjoy the show together. And we can do all of this without making obscure hints to wanting to literally murder people of different political belief. Amazing, isn't it? I've been trying to formulate a bingo card for the aforementioned debate party, but I literally cannot think up of a card. This election is way too fucking unpredictable. I mean, I guess 9/11 will always have a square, but everything else is either simply way too obvious (eg: clinton's emails) or simply entirely unpredictable. Right now, I've got September 11th, the Alt-Right, the Ku Klux Klan, and Benghazi-- with 'ad hominem' as the free space. What else?[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/UJnHLI6.png[/img_thumb]