9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London - Polidicks

[QUOTE=icemaz;32255838]Ok sorry but that has absolutely no relevance to what I posted[/QUOTE] you tried to jump at me using some argument that we haven't let gone of 9/11 even though i'm not american and don't feel a single thing about 9/11. so if that isn't relevant then the whole thing was irrelevant and you brought it up for no reason. [QUOTE=icemaz;32255838]That is also the most dumb fuck argument I have ever heard in my life, sorry I had better things to be doing than to hang around watching a group of idiots[/QUOTE] oh shut up you didn't even watch them. [QUOTE=icemaz;32255838]what i'm saying is not in London on the anniversary of an event which took 67 british lives. [/QUOTE] oh i'm sorry how rude of them to not check in with icemaz's schedule. okay UK let's get together and decide which days are okay for freedom of speech. Okay, I can do january 1-23 but on the 24th i have a dentist appointment so we can't have freedom of speech that day. you're basically saying "how tasteless" which is funny considering these are people who burn american flags and want everyone to either die or convert to whatever strain of islam they believe in. so your whole angle is really just silly and very good sketch comedy material.

Why can't they? Is it illegal to burn a flag in London? London, England is one of the free-est countries (aside from their taxes), and they can do whatever they want, as much as you or me. I don't know why they burned it on 9/11's 10th year anivarsary which is nothing to celebrate about. I can see their anger and why they are angry.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32255612] -white vs everyone else mentality -self-victimization as the true persecuted -usage of scare quotes to demonize -application of racial stereotypes you definitely have some trouble with gypsies considering you just randomly brought them up when it wasn't even relevant. either that or you secretly love gypsies but are ashamed of it so you overcompensate.[/QUOTE] 1- I said ethnic majority there, and white Christian I said before was an example, as it is the ethnic majority here. Want to replace that with Catholic Hispanic? Or whatever else is applicable in whatever part of the world? 2- I'm not entirely sure what you mean here? 3- quotes were used mainly to show the overly PC term "travellers", that the media insist on using despite them being known as gypsies to everybody else. In doing this they are somehow implying that gypsie is a derogatory word. I didn't use gypsies here because I hate them, its because it is a current affair here.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;32255873]Wait, what do you mean? That the reasons ARE incomprehensible or that they are not? Because I agree with the latter, they are comprehensible if you just get off your ass and do some reading and perhaps change your perspective on things. The world isn't based on good and evil[/QUOTE] I'm well aware that the world is composed of shades of grey, not blacks and whites. I'm saying the reasons for these peoples' sentiments are comprehensible.

[QUOTE=EDDY TT;32255884]Someone who doesn't give a fuck enough to start to or argue over religion.[/QUOTE] obviously you give a fuck enough to jump in and make some random comment like you've known me or something. if you don't give a fuck then do everyone a favour and click the little red box at the right-hand part of the browser window, thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32255875]Well it shouldn't. I don't get why we couldn't have stopped them on this ONE day.[/QUOTE] I should be able to express my political opinions whenever I feel like it, not allowing me to do so is limiting my right to free speech. Arbitrary exempts from free speech would quickly hollow out its intention.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32255941]obviously you give a fuck enough to jump in and make some random comment like you've known me or something. if you don't give a fuck then do everyone a favour and click the little red box at the right-hand part of the browser window, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE] Honestly there's nothing more annoying on FP, in SH especially, than passive aggressive posters who come in, make an inflammatory comment, and when called out on it, insist that they don't give a fuck.

As if the truth movement wasn't bad enough.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;32255230]They were protesting against America in London? Hmm.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that because they are marked somewhere as belonging to a muslim radical group like the OP says, they would probably get probed to shit if they flew to America on the days nearing 9/11. Not to mention they would probably get a lot of shit falling on them if they did this in America, can you imagine something like this on the opening of the 9/11 memorial? Either way they're fucking pussies.

not sure what they were trying to achieve here, but I'm mighty chuffed about the moderate counter protest, good stuff on their part.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32255875]Well it shouldn't. I don't get why we couldn't have stopped them on this ONE day.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech laws are different depending on what day it is? Is it restricted on November 11th, because of the end of WWI? Is it restricted on December 7th, because of Pearl Harbor? Where do you draw the line, and why?

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32255918]1- I said ethnic majority there, and white Christian I said before was an example, as it is the ethnic majority here. Want to replace that with Catholic Hispanic? Or whatever else is applicable in whatever part of the world?[/QUOTE] uhm i was talking about the mentality and the way you post. [QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32255918]2- I'm not entirely sure what you mean here? [/QUOTE] well try harder [QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32255918]3- quotes were used mainly to show the overly PC term "travellers", that the media insist on using despite them being known as gypsies to everybody else. In doing this they are somehow implying that gypsie is a derogatory word.[/QUOTE] gypsies isn't even their real name and it is a derogatory word like spic or kike based on misinformation. [QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32255918]I didn't use gypsies here because I hate them, its because it is a current affair here.[/QUOTE] i don't even know what here is, who cares about your gypsy problem? i'm asking why do you bring it up and it's pretty plain you just have some issues with gypsies but you need to work that out. not in this thread, somewhere else preferably.

[QUOTE=lukepker;32255564]Who cares what a bunch of religious retards did to a flag which they paid for.[/QUOTE] that scenario just sounds so hilarious I just imagine two extremists waiting patiently in line at a grocery store with an American flag in their cart.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32255875]Well it shouldn't. I don't get why we couldn't have stopped them on this ONE day.[/QUOTE] uh.. maybe because it's their god damn human right to voice their opinion. regardless of the significance of the day to some.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32255973]Honestly there's nothing more annoying on FP, in SH especially, than passive aggressive posters who come in, make an inflammatory comment, and when called out on it, insist that they don't give a fuck.[/QUOTE] The worst ones are the ones who just post replying to random things with poorly phrased comments. With no grammar or spelling.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256027]The worst ones are the ones who just post replying to random things with poorly phrased comments. With no grammar or spelling.[/QUOTE] it's okay i accept your apology.

[QUOTE=EDDY TT;32255776]How did I know just from the title that thisispain would be posting walls of text trying to make him look good?[/QUOTE] I dont think he's trying to make flag-burners look good, he's just saying they have the right to burn flags, and I agree. I don't like flag burning, it's dumb, unnecessary, disrespectful, and makes both party's look bad in the long run, but they have the right to burn flags if they want to.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256027]The worst ones are the ones who just post replying to random things with poorly phrased comments. With no grammar or spelling.[/QUOTE] Anyone in particular you're referencing?

[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;32256022]uh.. maybe because it's their god damn human right to voice their opinion. regardless of the significance of the day to some.[/QUOTE] ehh hate it being said like that. our country lets them voice their opinion, human rights are as liquid as interchangable as anything. guess I share the carlin approach to human rights.

The fact that they can burn our flag and we stay relatively rational shows who already is the better person. Not saying all Americans would just sit there, but we don't have many extremist that would car bomb someone off the street over a flag/book.

[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;32255040]If we went and burnt a Quran[/QUOTE] They would try to bomb the White House,calling you infidels and all that shit

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;32256055]ehh hate it being said like that. our country lets them voice their opinion, human rights are as liquid as interchangable as anything. guess I share the carlin approach to human rights.[/QUOTE] i prefer not to look at it as my country allowing me to say what i want to say. i should be able to say what i want regardless of where i am, or where i am from. i think 'human right' is the correct choice of words

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32255901]So as an American, am I not allowed to be disrespectful towards our armed forces (not that I am, just a hypothetical)? Am I legally not allowed to be critical of them or deface images of them that I legally own? How is this any different than flag burning? Freedom of speech should not be dependent on what day you feel is appropriate.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing against freedom of speech, I'm arguing for respect. Why is this so hard to get that there should be times and places for freedom of speech and I don't care what you say. We are supposed to live in a nice little society to the point where freedom of speech does have specific days (Read -> Student protest (to which I did go to thanks for asking Thisispain)). It was a day of mourning and the fact that we let these people do this on this day speaks leaps and bounds for what kind of society england actually is. [QUOTE=thisispain;32255903]you tried to jump at me using some argument that we haven't let gone of 9/11 even though i'm not american and don't feel a single thing about 9/11. so if that isn't relevant then the whole thing was irrelevant and you brought it up for no reason. oh shut up you didn't even watch them. oh i'm sorry how rude of them to not check in with icemaz's schedule. okay UK let's get together and decide which days are okay for freedom of speech. Okay, I can do january 1-23 but on the 24th i have a dentist appointment so we can't have freedom of speech that day. you're basically saying "how tasteless" which is funny considering these are people who burn american flags and want everyone to either die or convert to whatever strain of islam they believe in. so your whole angle is really just silly and very good sketch comedy material.[/QUOTE] Kk i'll send you my google calender! Also I'm a little stuck as to what your position is now you seem to have changed pls reiterate.

[QUOTE=Tudd;32256066]The fact that they can burn our flag and we stay relatively rational shows who already is the better person. Not saying all Americans would just sit there, but we don't have many extremist that would car bomb someone off the street over a flag/book.[/QUOTE] Okay, although it really shouldn't affect one's opinion of how freedom should work, and it really shouldn't make you feel so good as to think of yourself as above them.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;32256043]I dont think he's trying to make flag-burners look good, he's just saying they have the right to burn flags, and I agree. I don't like flag burning, it's dumb, unnecessary, disrespectful, and makes both party's look bad in the long run, but they have the right to burn flags if they want to.[/QUOTE] But its a pointless right. What is the point of flag burning? What is the point of showing dissent. Only the most well off societies can even do such a thing. Once another economic collaspe or anything happens almost all liberal and libertarian stuff practically vanishes in such a situation. People care too much about staying alive and having a nice life than to voice their opinion on some stupid shit.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256105]I'm not arguing against freedom of speech, I'm arguing for respect. Why is this so hard to get that there should be times and places for freedom of speech and I don't care what you say. We are supposed to live in a nice little society to the point where freedom of speech does have specific days (Read -> Student protest (to which I did go to thanks for asking Thisispain)). It was a day of mourning and the fact that we let these people do this on this day speaks leaps and bounds for what kind of society england actually is.[/QUOTE] And why is freedom of speech so irrelevant to you that it should be relegated to only days that you or anyone else deems appropriate?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32255999]Freedom of speech laws are different depending on what day it is? Is it restricted on November 11th, because of the end of WWI? Is it restricted on December 7th, because of Pearl Harbor? Where do you draw the line, and why?[/QUOTE] If I wore a Nazi suit to one of the many World War 2 remembrance days we have are you saying that that's completely fine.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256132]If I wore a Nazi suit to one of the many World War 2 remembrance days we have are you saying that that's completely fine.[/QUOTE] They'd probably kick you out of the event, because the people there would probably get upset. Should it be illegal? Certainly not.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32255448]People in this thread fail to realise that there is in fact a bigger outrage when an American flag is burnt than when a Quran is burnt.[/QUOTE] What if you eat the flag

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256105]Also I'm a little stuck as to what your position is now you seem to have changed pls reiterate.[/QUOTE] my position could be easily said put as: stop being a crybaby