9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London - Polidicks

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256258]And I know of these things, they happen a lot because these idiots make majorities look bad. I'm not saying forcibly stop them, but as a nation we should ALL tell them to stop. But we don't we let them carry on for political correctness sake.[/QUOTE] No. I'm A-Okay with anyone burning a flag. We do it here, it's perfectly legal and the US Supreme Court has time-and-time-again reaffirmed flag burning as protected speech. Why would we tell *them* to stop? Are we the only people who can burn our own flag?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32256347]Do Denmark, Sweden, and Norway not have both healthcare, minimum wage, and their freedoms? You can choose both.[/QUOTE] It's unsustainable.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32256297]what exactly are you talking about? you say we shouldn't forcibly stop them, then you say we let them carry on for political correctness sake. make up your mind[/QUOTE] What I'm getting at is I'm surprised in the fact FP seems to support these people in this. I'm trying to say in a very poorly worded way is that these people only get to do this in England because of political correctness. In general it's extremely disrespectful and I'm not saying we can only have freedom of speech on x day (even though that's how it works anyway) and I'm for freedom of speech but come on, can you really not see why they should've been asked to stop by some nice bobby walking down the street.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;32256386]They have the right to free speech but did anybody watch the video? They were [b]threatening[/b] the US. USA YOU WILL PAY and other chants were made in the video along with burning a picture of the flag. Are flames and flammable starters allowed on London streets? It doesn't seem like it should. If they did this in the states they would have been arrested on those terms, the Supreme Court already decided burning a flag was within freedom of speech so that can't be contested.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't have been arrested. Protests like that happen all the time here. The only words that are federally recognized crimes are fighting words (incitement, i.e. "BURN THE CITIES NOW," not "your cities will burn!") and directly threatening the PotUS.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;32256386]They have the right to free speech but did anybody watch the video? They were [b]threatening[/b] the US. USA YOU WILL PAY and other chants were made in the video along with burning a picture of the flag. Are flames and flammable starters allowed on London streets? It doesn't seem like it should.[/QUOTE] If I say that someone "will pay", that does not constitute a criminal threat, so why would it in regard to this?

In all honesty I think this [IMG]http://socialbaron.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/napoleon-dynamite2.jpg[/IMG] offends me more than burning the flag ever would

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32256347]Do Denmark, Sweden, and Norway not have both healthcare, [B]minimum wage[/B], and their freedoms? You can choose both.[/QUOTE]Actually... [quote=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden#Trade_unions]There is no minimum wage that is required by legislation. Instead, minimum wage standards in different sectors are normally set by collective bargaining [by unions].[/quote] It's probably the same in Norway and Denmark.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256391]It's unsustainable.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. If you believe that is so, cite a credible source.

Bringing the religion down even more, sad really, as I know loads of Muslims and not one is like this, at least not openly. Still though, they have their rights, but they are just making the whole situation so much worse.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32256444]Actually... It's probably the same in Norway and Denmark.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it still exists, just not in federal legislation. I have a friend that lives in Denmark for example, and he once spoke to me about their minimum wage.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256396]What I'm getting at is I'm surprised in the fact FP seems to support these people in this. I'm trying to say in a very poorly worded way is that these people only get to do this in England because of political correctness. In general it's extremely disrespectful and I'm not saying we can only have freedom of speech on x day (even though that's how it works anyway) and I'm for freedom of speech but come on, can you really not see why they should've been asked to stop by some nice bobby walking down the street.[/QUOTE] I dunno how shit works in the UK but we don't do that here.

I honestly don't see what they did wrong, I believe in burning the flag as a symbol of rebellion and speaking out against the government it represents. Take into account that we've occupied their country, destroyed their families and for what? A rogue group of Middle Easterners that weren't even citizens of Afghanistan flew 747s into the World Trade Center 10 years ago? What the fuck.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32255448]People in this thread fail to realise that there is in fact a bigger outrage when an American flag is burnt than when a Quran is burnt.[/QUOTE] I dunno, I remember some man burning a bunch of Qurans got a lot of controversy.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32256388]No. I'm A-Okay with anyone burning a flag. We do it here, it's perfectly legal and the US Supreme Court has time-and-time-again reaffirmed flag burning as protected speech. Why would we tell *them* to stop? Are we the only people who can burn our own flag?[/QUOTE] What about that case that was in ITN, where the man who had the flag upside-down, had it taken or something to that effect. Believe he was a veteran, can't find the thread. Useless. also holy shit lankist only just noticed that it was you. found it [url]http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/07/11-0[/url] fucking hell that source is awful

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;32256505]What about that case that was in ITN, where the man who had the flag upside-down, had it taken or something to that effect. Believe he was a veteran, can't find the thread.[/QUOTE] Unless you can tell me how that story ended, it isn't relevant. Saying "someone's freedom of speech was violated" doesn't mean anything unless you can also say what happened after the fact.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32256468]Yes, but it still exists, just not in federal legislation. I have a friend that lives in Denmark for example, and he once spoke to me about their minimum wage.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence I see.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;32256505]What about that case that was in ITN, where the man who had the flag upside-down, had it taken or something to that effect. Believe he was a veteran, can't find the thread.[/QUOTE] That was some "patriotic" American that spent his time climbing up the pole/building and bringing it down. You can't control what people do.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256396]I'm trying to say in a very poorly worded way is that these people only get to do this in England because of political correctness.[/quote] Uh, no it isn't. People with more subtle prejudice like to use terms like "political correctness" and "multiculturalism failure" as buzzwords to describe their own subtle prejudice, and frankly it's a bit sickening. [QUOTE=icemaz;32256396]In general it's extremely disrespectful and I'm not saying we can only have freedom of speech on x day (even though that's how it works anyway) and I'm for freedom of speech but come on, can you really not see why they should've been asked to stop by some nice bobby walking down the street.[/QUOTE] So you're not saying that freedom of speech should only be acceptable on certain days, and then follow that up by saying that's exactly what you meant? As for the latter half of this part, people did ask them to stop.

[QUOTE=icemaz;32256396] I'm trying to say in a very poorly worded way is that these people only get to do this in England because of political correctness. [/QUOTE] and i'm insulted that you call the freedoms you enjoy political correctness i invite you to go stay at a country which doesn't have, as you call it, political correctness. you'd be back in a week. i don't think you even know what political correctness means, all of you just use it as a code word for something none of you understand.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256541]Anecdotal evidence I see.[/QUOTE] I'm not using that as an end-all piece of evidence to show that it works or anything, but I was merely pointing it out. You on the other hand have provided nothing to support the idea that such a nation is unsustainable.

[QUOTE=thisispain;32256559]and i'm insulted that you call the freedoms you enjoy political correctness i invite you to go stay at a country which doesn't have, as you call it, political correctness. you'd be back in a week.[/QUOTE] I'd go. I would be silent and only speak about political manners if approved by the state and keep quiet about the rest.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32256546]That was some "patriotic" American that spent his time climbing up the pole/building and bringing it down. You can't control what people do.[/QUOTE] No, it was a man who had police officers come onto his property and remove the flag.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256604]I would be silent and only speak about political manners if approved by the state and keep quiet about the rest.[/QUOTE] You are a sad man, especially when there already exist nations with freedoms and the things you claim to want.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256604]I'd go. I would be silent and only speak about political manners if approved by the state and keep quiet about the rest.[/QUOTE] that's FINE i don't give a FUCK

[QUOTE=thisispain;32256559]and i'm insulted that you call the freedoms you enjoy political correctness i invite you to go stay at a country which doesn't have, as you call it, political correctness. you'd be back in a week. i don't think you even know what political correctness means, all of you just use it as a code word for something none of you understand.[/QUOTE] Honestly I don't know what the hell it means since it's tossed around by everyone. People think that if someone offends them, they have the right to shut someone up and honestly it works because people buy into it. That's how I definite political correctness but it'd be interesting to know if I actually got it right. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32256604]I'd go. I would be silent and only speak about political manners if approved by the state and keep quiet about the rest.[/QUOTE] And you're a spineless fuck that doesn't deserve to live in any of these places we enjoy the freedom of speech and are encouraged to rebel if the government screws everyone over royally.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;32256628]Honestly I don't know what the hell it means since it's tossed around by everyone. People think that if someone offends them, they have the right to shut someone up and honestly it works because people buy into it. That's how I definite political correctness but it'd be interesting to know if I actually got it right.[/QUOTE] all i know is that it's a word used by rush limbaugh which means i can't use it fortunately limbaugh doesn't use many words...

[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;32255394]The fact that they did it for 9/11 specifically just shows that they're kind of being dicks about the whole situation and they deserve to be thought of as terrorists for doing shit like this.[/QUOTE] wow no if you think this you are a fascist asshole

[QUOTE=thisispain;32256653]all i know is that it's a word used by rush limbaugh which means i can't use it fortunately limbaugh doesn't use many words...[/QUOTE] His vocabulary's not particularly large.

also everyone who says we should burn the qur'an are absolutely no better than these protesters and everyone reenforcing an "us vs. them" mentality is worse

[QUOTE=Lazor;32256730]also everyone who says we should burn the qur'an are absolutely no better than these protesters and everyone reenforcing an "us vs. them" mentality is worse[/QUOTE] didnt we already protest a mosque being built near ground zero kinda late for that shit dont you think