9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London - Polidicks

[QUOTE=stepat201;32260892]Sorry, what? I already told you I was talking about the religion, not the individuals. And what are you rambling out Black Panthers and Malcom X for?[/QUOTE] X, and many of the Black Panthers, were Muslim. Are you saying that those civil rights leaders were also some of the most primitive people on the planet?

[QUOTE=Novistador;32260888]"Fine! Fine!, have your rights, just don't exercise them, its rude"[/QUOTE] dude honestly if you want to burn flags for no reason and walk the streets strapping a semi-automatic rifle for no reason, you reserve the right to do so but people are going to think you're a fuck, and for good reason too

[QUOTE=Lankist;32260919]X, and many of the Black Panthers, were Muslim. Are you saying that those civil rights leaders were also some of the most primitive people on the planet?[/QUOTE] The only reason I can think of for why you keep ignoring that I said "religion, not individuals" is because you would have no way of continuing to argue if you did. Refer to my post on the last page where I said that muslim people can be perfectly smart, normal individuals. Obviously I would never make such a ridiculous statement that a whole race of people is primitive. The religion itself, and the ideals it upholds, are primitive, if we're using that word now. I'm pretty sure Malcom X didn't burn American flags in his spare time.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32260989]I'm pretty sure Malcom X didn't burn American flags in his spare time.[/QUOTE] actually I'm pretty sure he did. again, was malcolm x among those primitive muslims?

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261016]actually I'm pretty sure he did.[/QUOTE] Did he really? I'm certainly no expert on him, but that's a ridiculous thing to do when fighting for the rights of American citizens. Martin Luther King was a clear advocate against using any sort of violence or violence based acts to get his points across, which is why he was the most influential and successful activist for African Americans.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32260989]The only reason I can think of for why you keep ignoring that I said "religion, not individuals" is because you would have no way of continuing to argue if you did. Refer to my post on the last page where I said that muslim people can be perfectly smart, normal individuals. Obviously I would never make such a ridiculous statement that a whole race of people is primitive. The religion itself, and the ideals it upholds, are primitive, if we're using that word now. I'm pretty sure Malcom X didn't burn American flags in his spare time.[/QUOTE] Go check out how Christianity in North Africa is doing. You are basing your entire statement on the fact that an people in an underdeveloped part of the world living in a highly unstable social and political climate have a more basic and conservative interpretation of the religion they worship. I think you'll find Christianity to be equally if not more brutal in the nations I am talking about.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32261071]Did he really? I'm certainly no expert on him, but that's a ridiculous thing to do when fighting for the rights of American citizens. Martin Luther King was a clear advocate against using any sort of violence or violence based acts to get his points across, which is why he was the most influential and successful activist for African Americans.[/QUOTE] Malcolm X was not Martin Luther King. Malcolm X was not a Christ's Little Lamb quiet objector. MLK gets a lot more press than X because he was a lot more personable to white people than X was. Malcolm X was a black nationalist. Malcolm X didn't want black people to integrate into white society, X wanted society to be redefined. He was also very Muslim, as were many of the rank-and-file of the black members of the Civil Rights movement. But you clearly weren't talking about them. Clearly you were talking exclusively about those Arabic Muslims. They're the primitive ones, right? More on X: X preached violence against racism. That was, until he made the Hajj and visited the Mecca. After finding a deeper understanding of Islam he recanted his calls for violence and preached for cooperation Then he got shot.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;32261110]Go check out how Christianity in North Africa is doing. You are basing your entire statement on the fact that an people in an underdeveloped part of the world living in a highly unstable social and political climate have a more basic and conservative interpretation of the religion they worship. I think you'll find Christianity to be equally if not more brutal in the nations I am talking about.[/QUOTE] I'm in total agreement with you there, christianity is no better than any other religion and I don't support it in any other way. I was simply talking about muslims because that's the topic of the news article.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32261071]Did he really? I'm certainly no expert on him, but that's a ridiculous thing to do when fighting for the rights of American citizens. Martin Luther King was a clear advocate against using any sort of violence or violence based acts to get his points across, which is why he was the most influential and successful activist for African Americans.[/QUOTE] how is that a ridiculous thing to do? why respect the symbol of a country that subjugates you?

Muslims in Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore are far more rational and friendly than those in the Arabic world. As a Muslim myself, I seriously despise these assholes for actually supporting the 9-11 attacks. There were Muslim victims too in the terrorist attacks. Some of them died in the twin towers if i am not mistaken and this does not include those terrorist hijackers. Anyone who supported terrorism is not a Muslim in any way.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261016]actually I'm pretty sure he did. again, was malcolm x among those primitive muslims?[/QUOTE] malcolm x didn't burn flags, he just delivered speeches in open forums. what a rational, concise way for him to exercise his amendment rights, hmm.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261125]Malcolm X was not Martin Luther King. Malcolm X was not a Christ's Little Lamb quiet objector. MLK gets a lot more press than X because he was a lot more personable to white people than X was. Malcolm X was a black nationalist. Malcolm X didn't want black people to integrate into white society, X wanted society to be redefined. He was also very Muslim, as were many of the rank-and-file of the black members of the Civil Rights movement. But you clearly weren't talking about them. Clearly you were talking exclusively about those Arabic Muslims. They're the primitive ones, right?[/QUOTE] Well I'll be the first to admit you've caught me with my pants down since I know next to nothing about Malcom X, so I won't continue to discuss him. All that I'll say is that the idea of seperating black society from white society is insane.

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;32261146]malcolm x didn't burn flags, he just delivered speeches in open forums. what a rational, concise way for him to exercise his amendment rights, hmm.[/QUOTE] I think you're confusing pre and post Hajj X. A deeper connection to Islam is what cooled him off.

Pre Hajj X was a racist himself. He didn't preach for violence against racism, he preached violence in the name of racism.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261181]I think you're confusing pre and post Hajj X. A deeper connection to Islam is what cooled him off.[/QUOTE] he did do some violent shit but he just wasn't in the business of burning flags, as far as what I've read from his autobiography

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;32261236]he did do some violent shit but he just wasn't in the business of burning flags, as far as what I've read from his autobiography[/QUOTE] are you seriously suggesting that flag burning is somehow worse than pre-hajj malcolm x or...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32261214]Pre Hajj X was a racist himself. He didn't preach for violence against racism, he preached violence in the name of racism.[/QUOTE] Not really. He was a separatist before he was a Hajji (I am using that as the title, not as the pejorative), and he was a separatist after he was a Hajji. He recanted violence after, but basically he was willing to see integration with white society only after black society had separated, developed and become just as strong as white society. He feared that if black people were integrated into white society in the unequal state as they were, they would easily become downtrodden and impoverished yet again. He threatened violence more in a "leave us alone" way. [editline]12th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TropicalV2;32261236]he did do some violent shit but he just wasn't in the business of burning flags, as far as what I've read from his autobiography[/QUOTE] He and/or his associates burned a few at some rallies. The flag that enslaved black people wasn't exactly considered a sacred article to the black nationalist movement.

[QUOTE=Sanius;32261274]are you seriously suggesting that flag burning is somehow worse than pre-hajj malcolm x or...[/QUOTE] adding that to my "assumptions made by sanius" scrapbook. it will go right next to [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9170163/lol.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261284]Not really. He was a separatist before he was a Hajji (I am using that as the title, not as the pejorative), and he was a separatist after he was a Hajji. He recanted violence after, but basically he was willing to integration with white society only after black society had separated, developed and become just as strong as white society. He feared that if black people were integrated into white society as they were, they would easily become downtrodden and impoverished yet again. He threatened violence more in a "leave us alone" way.[/QUOTE] He believed white people where devils created 6600 years ago by some scientist. He was a racist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32261327]He believed white people where devils created 6600 years ago by some scientist. He was a racist.[/QUOTE] And jehova's witness think black people are evil. there are still black jehova's witnesses.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261364]And jehova's witness think black people are evil. there are still black jehova's witnesses.[/QUOTE] Jehova's Witness is a racist religion then.

Oh no, not the flag! I don't know why anyone is offended by flag burning. Grow a pair losers.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32261404]Jehova's Witness is a racist religion then.[/QUOTE] Shitloads of Jehova's Witness are black. The religion is racist, yes. Are the practitioners? See, this is my point. There's a difference between saying the Muslim Religion is barbaric and saying all Muslims are uncivilized. I fucking hate Christianity. That doesn't mean I think Christians are inherently bad people.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261433]Shitloads of Jehova's Witness are black. The religion is racist, yes. Are the practitioners? See, this is my point. There's a difference between saying the Muslim Religion is barbaric and saying all Muslims are uncivilized.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about any of that. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on Malcolm X, which is that for his beliefs on the origins and true nature of white people he was a racist himself.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32261450]I'm not talking about any of that. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on Malcolm X, which is that for his beliefs on the origins and true nature of white people he was a racist himself.[/QUOTE] No shit, it was Malcolm X.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261485]No shit, it was Malcolm X.[/QUOTE] Then there's my 2 cents, have a nice day, keep the change.

[QUOTE=Lankist;32261433]Shitloads of Jehova's Witness are black. The religion is racist, yes. Are the practitioners? See, this is my point. [B]There's a difference between saying the Muslim Religion is barbaric and saying all Muslims are uncivilized. I fucking hate Christianity. That doesn't mean I think Christians are inherently bad people.[/B][/QUOTE] Just want to point out that this is what I was saying as well. Not sure why you were arguing against me so passionately.

[QUOTE=TropicalV2;32258678]you're a nut, you're crazy in the coconut[/QUOTE] He's trying to say that being patriotic isn't about the protection of a symbol, it's rather protecting the ideal behind it.

I shall respond by showing the soles of my feet and pondering the advantages of non-burka'd women.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;32255241]I want a angry rating. I hate the double standards in society where every minority seems to be protected by a "it's their beliefs/way of life" bubble. A white christian burning a Koran would be called and uncivilized thug. But no, it's OK because they're a minority. It's the same with the gypsies (oh sorry am I meant to say "travellers"?) who are being evicted. If they weren't a minority, they would never get the media attention. They are breaking the law and have been given fair warning, now they should get the fuck out and pay taxes.[/QUOTE] we put ourselves at a higher standard, it's a bit snobby but at least we take the butt end of it