Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in London tube machete attack - Polidicks

That's great cinnamonbun. I'm very glad for you and your opinions. What does this have to do with the stabbing of three people in the London tube though?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255545]Again, I think Europeans and Americans think differently on this. If someone comes into MY house, EVEN if he was unarmed, and DOES NOT LEAVE after I give him a warning or two I will either shoot him or call the police (Basically if he is just sitting on my couch literally doing nothing, I will probably call the police, but if he is actively stealing my shit/breaking shit, you bet your ass I am gonna put some 00 buck into him) Also, someone can kill you/really hurt you bad with just their hands, I am not going to just sit their on my bed whilst he/she repeatedly punches me in the face/tries to sexually assault my siblings or me. Seems that a lot of people would let it happen though. [/QUOTE] No, a lot of people arent going to let that happen, thats just not human instinct. Just because we dont guns doesnt mean we cant defend ourselves.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255492]I will never understand how you guys are just okay with some person you don't know robbing all your shit and lubing up your ass. No wonder you guys can't even legally defend yourself lol. "The perpetrator doesn't deserve to die, he was a good boy he gun go to college, he go to church he good boy, so what he raped 3 people and sliced a guys throat, so what he good boy" Literally what we have to deal with in America when a young black gets shot for robbing a liquor store. edit: Doesn't even have to be black, people still bitch about it when their 19 year old kid gets shot in the head for robbing a liquor store.[/QUOTE] Who knows if they actually are okay with it or not? Talking high-minded idealism and moral/ethical philosophy is one thing; reality is another. Lots of people here [i]say[/i] they don't believe anyone deserves to die, but I'd be willing to wager that if you broke into their homes and killed their families, they'd feel differently. Or if you broke in and stole their shit, trashed their place, did stuff to their pets, etc. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they truly don't have any self-preservation instinct in them. [editline]6 December 2015[/editline] Based of what a lot of posters have said here on this topic though before (in this thread and other threads), they'd make great victims. They apparently wouldn't try to kill you if you were an intruder, they wouldn't care if you stole from them because your life means more to them than their own property does, and they wouldn't want to you die if you hurt or killed their loved ones. Not only would they not want to kill you, but they wouldn't want the justice system to do anything harmful to you either-- because capital punishment is always cruel and wrong, prison justice is horrible, etc.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255545]Again, I think Europeans and Americans think differently on this. If someone comes into MY house, EVEN if he was unarmed, and DOES NOT LEAVE after I give him a warning or two I will either shoot him or call the police (Basically if he is just sitting on my couch literally doing nothing, I will probably call the police, but if he is actively stealing my shit/breaking shit, you bet your ass I am gonna put some 00 buck into him) Also, someone can kill you/really hurt you bad with just their hands, I am not going to just sit their on my bed whilst he/she repeatedly punches me in the face/tries to sexually assault my siblings or me. Seems that a lot of people would let it happen though[/QUOTE] Where do you live that this a genuine concern Jesus fucking Christ. Do you honestly believe a person deserves to die because he is trying to steal a TV (I'm going to ignore the sexual assault because that is so outlandish for a random stranger to do it, than someone you know aka a family member or close friend)? Where do you live that requires such a black and white reaction to another person's life? We have a system in place that works incredibly well as it is, let's not fuck that up by giving people objects that can easily end another person's life for something as trivial as my TV. We have a good police force, we have a good court and jail system that, like most systems, could use work to improve and we will get there without guns. You're living on this incredible extreme which is simply misguided for our country. You're also not really answering anyone's points, just going from extreme to extreme

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49255609]That's great cinnamonbun. I'm very glad for you and your opinions. What does this have to do with the stabbing of three people in the London tube though?[/QUOTE] I do apologize for throwing this thread off the main headline. I am just saying that you should be able to defend yourself, because others in this thread don't believe that someone shouldn't be able to carry a gun, let alone a knife.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255545]If someone comes into MY house, EVEN if he was unarmed, and DOES NOT LEAVE after I give him a warning or two I will either shoot him or call the police (Basically if he is just sitting on my couch literally doing nothing, I will probably call the police, but if he is actively stealing my shit/breaking shit, you bet your ass I am gonna put some 00 buck into him)[/QUOTE] [I]probably[/I] just call the police if you're sitting on the couch unarmed fuck with the plasma screen though and your brains are goin on this shag carpet

[QUOTE=Cone;49255623][I]probably[/I] just call the police if you're sitting on the couch unarmed fuck with the plasma screen though and your brains are goin on this shag carpet[/QUOTE] a 30 cent shotgun shell is cheaper than my $1,100 TV.

A knife attack happens in London and the Americans are coming in and proclaiming we need more guns? Are you even following your own news? Do one. You try coming at one of our police officers with a knife and they'll fucking have you, they're trained for it and they still won't kill you. [video=youtube;cX5CPx4RKWw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw[/video] Take your pointless gun debate elsewhere

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255615] We have a good police force, we have a good court and jail system that, like most systems, could use work to improve and we will get there without guns. [/QUOTE] I don't necessarily go along with his line of thinking, but no we fucking do not, our police response times are fucking awful and are terrible at catching criminals.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49255633]I don't necessarily go along with his line of thinking, but no we fucking do not, our police response times are fucking awful and are terrible at catching criminals.[/QUOTE] In the OPs case they were there within 8 minutes. That seems pretty good for a case in London 7pm to me. And you always hear of the failures of the police force, with the successes going mostly unnoticed. When they do their job right it's like people don't notice them at all.

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255645]In the OPs case they were there within 8 minutes. That seems pretty good for a case in London 7pm to me. And you always hear of the failures of the police force, with the successes going mostly unnoticed. When they do their job right it's like people don't notice them at all.[/QUOTE] In 8 minutes 3 people's throats could be slit In 15 seconds the attacker could be dead with a .45acp in his chest stopped by a good Samaritan with only 1 victim injured.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255628]a 30 cent shotgun shell is cheaper than my $1,100 TV.[/QUOTE] And the mans life is worth less than 30 cents? Maybe youre against gun control because youre exactly the sort of person who wouldnt be allowed one

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255645]In the OPs case they were there within 8 minutes. That seems pretty good for a case in London 7pm to me. And you always hear of the failures of the police force, with the successes going mostly unnoticed. When they do their job right it's like people don't notice them at all.[/QUOTE] Yeah in London in a crowded place, this isn't the same for everywhere. Police response times where I live can be 20-40 minutes at which point if the person did want to kill me I'm probably already dead.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255650]In 8 minutes 3 people's throats could be slit In 15 seconds the attacker could be dead with a .45acp in his chest stopped by a good Samaritan with only 1 victim injured.[/QUOTE] And the attacker, if guns were more available in the UK, could have had a pistol and easily killed 14 people like what happened in San Bernadino (albeit with more firepower and persons). Can't give benefit to one side without raising the possibility of the other having increased probability of access too.

[QUOTE=Harry3;49255652]And the mans life is worth less than 30 cents? Maybe youre against gun control because youre exactly the sort of person who wouldnt be allowed one[/QUOTE] A man's life is worth nothing if he breaks into my house and kills my family and steals all my shit. But I am guessing you have never had anyone break into your home. It really is a lot different, which is why I currently own firearms after THAT incident. (not saying I had my family murdered, just saying I have had my home broken into with a lot of shit stolen)

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255650]In 8 minutes 3 people's throats could be slit In 15 seconds the attacker could be dead with a .45acp in his chest stopped by a good Samaritan with only 1 victim injured.[/QUOTE] "Coulds" are all you can offer. The attacker "could" have had a gun and actually killed several people in a short amount of time before someone else stopped him. There "could" have been a police officer equipped with tazer on site which could've worked just as well and no one has to die. There are better alternatives for our country than the system you have in yours. How many people in New York or DC carry around a gun in an accessible manner on the metro/tube?

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255673]"Coulds" are all you can offer. The attacker "could" have had a gun and actually killed several people in a short amount of time before someone else stopped him. There "could" have been a police officer equipped with tazer on site which could've worked just as well and no one has to die. There are better alternatives for our country than the system you have in yours. How many people in New York or DC carry around a gun in an accessible manner on the metro/tube?[/QUOTE] Not a lot since there a quite a bit of restriction in DC and NYC as well as California.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255670]A man's life is worth nothing if he breaks into my house and kills my family and steals all my shit. But I am guessing you have never had anyone break into your home. It really is a lot different, which is why I currently own firearms after THAT incident. (not saying I had my family murdered, just saying I have had my home broken into with a lot of shit stolen)[/QUOTE] You didnt mention someone killing your family... just stealing a TV.... And yes, my house was broken into about 6 years ago, PC, TVs, my decks stolen and other stuff... but I didnt have the sudden urge to buy a gun in case they came back and decided to rape me (??)

[QUOTE=Harry3;49255686]You didnt mention someone killing your family... just stealing a TV.... And yes, my house was broken into about 6 years ago, PC, TVs, my decks stolen and other stuff... but I didnt have the sudden urge to buy a gun in case they came back and decided to rape me (??)[/QUOTE] So you've had your house broken into?

The problem with these topics is that assumptions and "what-ifs" play a huge role in making it controversial. "What if they killed your family", and "What if they raped you" etc are things that, while they [I]could[/I] happen of course, need to be quantified as statistical probabilities to be a legitimate case for argument. Without substantiation people could use "what-ifs" to push for the complete militarization of the state, such like Orwell's writings in the 20th century (to bring in an extreme example). Of course we aren't seeing many arguments in mainstream opinion for this per se, however pushing for things like open gun laws (or gun control, I suppose, depending on which side of the spectrum you align with) using the [I]what-if [/I]style of argument is a slippery slope.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255650]In 8 minutes 3 people's throats could be slit In 15 seconds the attacker could be dead with a .45acp in his chest stopped by a good Samaritan with only 1 victim injured.[/QUOTE] Firing a gun on the tube. You bloomin maniac.

[QUOTE=Harry3;49255686]You didnt mention someone killing your family... just stealing a TV.... And yes, my house was broken into about 6 years ago, PC, TVs, my decks stolen and other stuff... but I didnt have the sudden urge to buy a gun in case they came back and decided to rape me (??)[/QUOTE] I never said they would come back and rape me, I am just saying ever since that incident I have owned firearms as well as gotten into the hobby of it, so that if one day, someone tries to come into my home doing god know's what, I can properly defend myself. Yes being raped/killed is likely an extreme, but in today's world you really don't know what the hell someone is going to do in your house. Hopefully I won't ever have to use it, but it is a damn good peace of mind to know that you are truly safe in your home.

Heres how to fix the problem: Install a microchip in the base of everyones spine which activates an electric current whenever too many people dissaprove of someones actions at once. A cop then has to come and reset it like the self-checkout at a supermarket. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255650]In 8 minutes 3 people's throats could be slit In 15 seconds the attacker could be dead with a .45acp in his chest stopped by a good Samaritan with only 1 victim injured.[/QUOTE] What a way of thinking! It's baffling. You realise you're the only country in the world that thinks this way for a reason, right? HEY why don't we just put the weapons right into the murderer's hands?! this guy had a knife, not a fucking tec-9

The problem is it's people from two different countries arguing a point that's not directed to cited sources at all. All this stupid shit without a single damn citation. You folks want to start convincing people of your point? Start citing sources.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255702]What a way of thinking! It's baffling. You realise you're the only country in the world that thinks this way for a reason, right? HEY why don't we just put the weapons right into the murderer's hands?! this guy had a knife, not a fucking tec-9[/QUOTE] When the fuck did I say put a weapon into the murders hands? I said in the hands of a GOOD SAMARITAN.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255678]Not a lot since there a quite a bit of restriction in DC and NYC as well as California.[/QUOTE] So if you have guns in your country (even if they are restricted, which makes complete sense in cities to me to avoid situations of confusion in city crowds), and your pedestrians are unequipped to deal with it in your biggest cities, then how could it have been avoided here? The knife bearer could have had a gun instead, and killed more people. If he had a knife instead, there may have been someone carrying a firearm with them, but that's just a roll of the dice, so what difference does it make? We didn't need guns to solve the story in the OP, we won't need guns for when people break into our houses to steal a TV. Humans lives are worth more than that, even if they are scumbags.

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;49255697]Firing a gun on the tube. You bloomin maniac.[/QUOTE] I laughed at the thought. Absolute chaos. I don't know many people that have even ever seen a gun, apart from generic hunting air rifles. Guns are scary as shit and you cannot fathom how grateful I am not to be born in a country where anybody can get one and shoot me, especially the police force -fuck that.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255710]When the fuck did I say put a weapon into the murders hands? I said in the hands of a GOOD SAMARITAN.[/QUOTE] It sure is great we can ensure only good samaritans can access guns and not anyone who'd do anything bad, must be why nobody ever gets murdered with guns in the US a- wait a second.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255710]When the fuck did I say put a weapon into the murders hands? I said in the hands of a GOOD SAMARITAN.[/QUOTE] I think what he's implying is that if the good Samaritan can get his hands on a weapon, what is to stop a natural-born citizen-turned terrorist (like more than a few home-grown US cases, sources coming) from getting one? Sure, there are criminal record checks and other measures, but it isn't foolproof and has been shown now to be in the States at least.