Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in London tube machete attack - Polidicks

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255712]So if you have guns in your country (even if they are restricted, which makes complete sense in cities to me to avoid situations of confusion in city crowds), and your pedestrians are unequipped to deal with it in your biggest cities, then how could it have been avoided here? The knife bearer could have had a gun instead, and killed more people. If he had a knife instead, there may have been someone carrying a firearm with them, but that's just a roll of the dice, so what difference does it make? We didn't need guns to solve the story in the OP, we won't need guns for when people break into our houses to steal a TV. Humans lives are worth more than that, [B]even if they are scumbags.[/B][/QUOTE] I think this is where we disagree. I personally believe that if someone comes into my house unwantingly doing god know's what, likely to steal all my shit or something worse, then I should be able to take that threat out. I believe in protection of yourself and your property from great bodily harm.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255700]I never said they would come back and rape me, I am just saying ever since that incident I have owned firearms as well as gotten into the hobby of it, so that if one day, someone tries to come into my home doing god know's what, I can properly defend myself. Yes being raped/killed is likely an extreme, but in today's world you really don't know what the hell someone is going to do in your house. Hopefully I won't ever have to use it, but it is a damn good peace of mind to know that you are truly safe in your home.[/QUOTE] I feel truly safe in my home because I have reinforced security doors, burglar proof windows with railings and a security alarm. I don't need a gun. It would take hours of grinder and blowtorch work to break in, which makes it impossible as long someone is home.

[QUOTE=SomeDumbShit;49255719]It sure is great we can ensure only good samaritans can access guns and not anyone who'd do anything bad, must be why nobody ever gets murdered with guns in the US a- wait a second.[/QUOTE] Haha, I honestly wrote out an equally sarcastic reply to that but deleted it out of not being assed enough. Can always count on a fellow brit to take over the sarcasm :v:

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49255658]Yeah in London in a crowded place, this isn't the same for everywhere. Police response times where I live can be 20-40 minutes at which point if the person did want to kill me I'm probably already dead.[/QUOTE] especially in the US, anyone who is breaking in knows that there is a chance the inhabitants are armed. if they don't surrender at the first chance given then it is very likely that they are willing and able to do great harm to you. at that point, your life could be in danger, it goes beyond just your property. enough people get killed during robberies here where i'd rather be able to protect myself.

[QUOTE=Prez;49255724]I think what he's implying is that if the good Samaritan can get his hands on a weapon, what is to stop a natural-born citizen-turned terrorist (like more than a few home-grown US cases, sources coming) from getting one? Sure, there are criminal record checks and other measures, but it isn't foolproof and has been shown now to be in the States at least.[/QUOTE] There isn't a way to stop a criminal to get anything (look at the bloody drug war, that shit has not stopped anything except increased violence and drug use, I also believe drugs should be completely legalized and regulated as well) Same thing would happen if we treated guns like drugs, criminals would get their hands on them either way Now this is different for most European countries, as they do not have as many guns as we do in the US, and U.K and Australia are island nations, so yes restricting guns works in the U.K and Australia for the most part, but it would not work in the U.S (See the land borders we have with Canada and Mexico)

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255726]I think this is where we disagree. I personally believe that if someone comes into my house unwantingly doing god know's what, likely to steal all my shit or something worse, then I should be able to take that threat out. I believe in protection of yourself and your property from great bodily harm.[/QUOTE] And that's great, I'm happy you can make yourself feel safe in some way in your country. But we don't roll like that. We don't need guns to make us feel safe, we already feel pretty safe without them. It's also worth pointing out that (so far and hopefully remains) no one has died in the incident in the OP. In your suggestions, at least one person loses their life. That's something I'm actually really proud of for the UK.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255726]I think this is where we disagree. I personally believe that if someone comes into my house unwantingly doing god know's what, likely to steal all my shit or something worse, then[B] I should be able to take that threat out.[/B] I believe in protection of yourself and your property from great bodily harm.[/QUOTE] You sound like you're on such a power trip fuelled by American patrotic propaganda, or a militarised society like NK If somebody comes into my house I'll just have a straight fight with them, because you can bet your life that they aren't gonna be armed either in the UK. Then it comes down to who actually is the man of his castle, much manlier than your shit

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255492]I will never understand how you guys are just okay with some person you don't know robbing all your shit and lubing up your ass. No wonder you guys can't even legally defend yourself lol. "The perpetrator doesn't deserve to die, he was a good boy he gun go to college, he go to church he good boy, so what he raped 3 people and sliced a guys throat, so what he good boy" Literally what we have to deal with in America when a young black gets shot for robbing a liquor store. edit: Doesn't even have to be black, people still bitch about it when their 19 year old kid gets shot in the head for robbing a liquor store.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between being ok with criminals and thieves and not immediately going for the execution. And I actually do believe that self defence laws in Britain are lacking, doesn't mean I want every criminal shot where he stands.

[QUOTE=maxolina;49255737]I feel truly safe in my home because I have reinforced security doors, burglar proof windows with railings and a security alarm. I don't need a gun. It would take hours of grinder and blowtorch work to break in, which makes it impossible as long someone is home.[/QUOTE] Which I believe is also a good deterrent to add to your home ( I am planning on doing this one day) so good for you. But, what if (yes I know what ifs, but it still is a possibility) someone does break down that door? Then what?

Also I have never heard of someone breaking into someone's home with the specific intent to murder/rape here in Italy. Unless it's connected to mafia, in which case it's your fault for getting involved into it in the first place.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255754]You sound like you're on such a power trip fuelled by American patrotic propaganda, or a militarised society like NK If somebody comes into my house I'll just have a straight fight with them, because you can bet your life that they aren't gonna be armed either in the UK. Then it comes down to who actually is the man of his castle, much manlier than your shit[/QUOTE] ok we will see how "manly" you are when you have a knife stuck in your throat because you believe that fighting "honestly and being manly" will help you at all.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255757]Which I believe is also a good deterrent to add to your home ( I am planning on doing this one day) so good for you. But, what if (yes I know what ifs, but it still is a possibility) someone does break down that door? Then what?[/QUOTE] Just get a fucking dog holy shit Our intruders don't bring guns! It just cannot sink in how not even our criminals like guns [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255760]ok we will see how "manly" you are when you have a knife stuck in your throat because you believe that fighting "honestly and being manly" will help you at all.[/QUOTE] I've got knives and shit here, obviously. I just don't feel like I'd have to execute the guy hahaha

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255763]Just get a fucking dog holy shit Our intruders don't bring guns! It just cannot sink in how not even our criminals like guns[/QUOTE] yes because putting a machete into a dogs neck is really hard to do. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255763]Just get a fucking dog holy shit Our intruders don't bring guns! It just cannot sink in how not even our criminals like guns [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] I've got knives and shit here, obviously. I just don't feel like I'd have to execute the guy hahaha[/QUOTE] Would I rather be in a KNIFE FIGHT (Good lord that sounds like that would hurt a lot) or be in a fight where I have the advantage? Why WOULD YOU EVER want to have a "fair" fight? Just because it is manly?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255760]ok we will see how "manly" you are when you have a knife stuck in your throat because you believe that fighting "honestly and being manly" will help you at all.[/QUOTE] I think he was actually mostly joking, and most common burglars will leave your property swiftly if you make yourself known, and if they don't being aggressive verbally and imposing physically will make 99% of UK burglars leave, because they also have no weapons.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255628]a 30 cent shotgun shell is cheaper than my $1,100 TV.[/QUOTE] if he's already broken everything haven't you already lost the $1000? you can't [I]slightly[/I] smash a plasma screen TV. unless you plan to shoot him before he even does anything you'd actually be at a net loss [I]and[/I] you'd have police investigating for weeks after [I]and[/I] you'd have brains in your shag carpet

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255766]yes because putting a machete into a dogs neck is really hard to do. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Would I rather be in a KNIFE FIGHT (Good lord that sounds like that would hurt a lot) or be in a fight where I have the advantage? Why WOULD YOU EVER want to have a "fair" fight? Just because it is manly?[/QUOTE] So nobody dies...I could EASILY barricade my door (if it's at night and I'm in bed) call the police, wait, and have insurance/law enforcement take care of the rest. I probably wouldn't even fight the guy The intruder probably wouldn't want to kill me either, just steal my TV.

[QUOTE=Cone;49255779]if he's already broken everything haven't you already lost the $1000? you can't [I]slightly[/I] smash a plasma screen TV. unless you plan to shoot him before he even does anything you'd actually be at a net loss [I]and[/I] you'd have police investigating for weeks after [I]and[/I] you'd have brains in your shag carpet[/QUOTE] I wouldn't shoot someone who is just sitting on my couch doing nothing, I would shoot him if he attempted to damage my property/start charging at me or a family member in order to harm him/her/me

[QUOTE=icemaz;49255778]I think he was actually mostly joking, and most common burglars will leave your property swiftly if you make yourself known, and if they don't being aggressive verbally and imposing physically will make 99% of UK burglars leave, because they also have no weapons.[/QUOTE] that's exactly what I'm saying our criminals are pussies because they don't have guns, and it fucking works for us as a society because of that (mostly)

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255783]So nobody dies...I could EASILY barricade my door (if it's at night and I'm in bed) call the police, wait, and have insurance/law enforcement take care of the rest. I probably wouldn't even fight the guy The intruder probably wouldn't want to kill me either, just steal my TV.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;5bsAMSQ13bY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsAMSQ13bY[/video] Okay ill let you hope your door holds up

[QUOTE=Cone;49255779]if he's already broken everything haven't you already lost the $1000? you can't [I]slightly[/I] smash a plasma screen TV. unless you plan to shoot him before he even does anything you'd actually be at a net loss [I]and[/I] you'd have police investigating for weeks after [I]and[/I] you'd have brains in your shag carpet[/QUOTE] in the UK you don't have to worry about them shooting you over your TV whereas here in the US many people have been killed for far less by armed burglars. if they don't give up when you give them the chance then it jumps right from property in danger to your own life.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255792][video=youtube;5bsAMSQ13bY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsAMSQ13bY[/video] Okay ill let you hope your door holds up[/QUOTE] Okay I've never heard of that happening here unless it's some famous serial killer but keep trying

It's cases like this why many Americans will do whatever it takes to defend themselves: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders[/url] [quote]According to Hayes' confession, the two men had planned to rob the house under cover of darkness and flee the scene with the family bound, but unharmed. Hayes attributed the outcome of the event to a change in their plan. Upon their arrival in the early hours of July 23, they found William Petit sleeping on a couch on the porch.[10] With a baseball bat that they had found in the yard, Komisarjevsky struck William on the head and then restrained him in the basement, at gunpoint. Following the restraining, the children and the mother were bound and locked in their respective rooms. Hayes says he and Komisarjevsky were not satisfied with their haul, and that a bankbook was found which had an available balance. Hayes convinced Jennifer to withdraw $15,000 from her line of credit when the bank opened[/quote] The wife and kids were then raped and murdered. You [I]don't[/I] know what the intentions of someone breaking into your home are, and many people find it better to err on the side of caution even if they end up not needing it just in case something fucked up like that does end up happening to them.

Honestly mate replace the word gun with sharia and you could be onto something

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255797]Okay I've never heard of that [B]happening here[/B] unless it's some famous serial killer but keep trying[/QUOTE] Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. People tend to want to kill you more over here(which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255766]yes because putting a machete into a dogs neck is really hard to do. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Would I rather be in a KNIFE FIGHT (Good lord that sounds like that would hurt a lot) or be in a fight where I have the advantage? Why WOULD YOU EVER want to have a "fair" fight? Just because it is manly?[/QUOTE] I understand your point, and I too want to feel safe and secure. Maybe if I lived in America I would think like you too, but (in my opinion luckily) I live in a different country where access to guns is so restricted that a thief (because I've never heard of someone breaking with the specific intent to kill/rape here) also has at max a bat / knife. If that would ever happen, knowing that I have no advanced combat skills, I would not try to engage into some sort of combat, but hide / run away / surrender, and afterwards inform the police / authorities.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49255803]Honestly mate replace the word gun with sharia and you could be onto something[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but what the fuck does this have to do with anything lmao

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255804]Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. People tend to want to kill you more over here(which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)[/QUOTE] People tend to want to kill you more because guns and killing has always been so normalised in your culture; your country is founded on genocide fgs and the whole world knows it still encumbers your society and your politics today.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255804]Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. People tend to want to kill you more over here(which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)[/QUOTE] So why are you evening discussing this in a UK crime themed thread, if you recognise crime is completely different? I understand topics of guns etc, but you've gone way overboard and then just said "oh it's different in the US"

[url]https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/673239303284203524/pu/vid/360x640/S1--KHvTJl1bYNaU.mp4[/url] Vid of the taser failure.

[QUOTE=maxolina;49255806](because I've never heard of someone breaking with the specific intent to kill/rape here)[/QUOTE] In the case I quoted above, the criminals did not break in initially with that intent either, but they changed their plans when they figured they weren't getting enough out of it all. Like, people are fucking irrational and many feel because of that, that it is extremely important to err on the side of caution.