Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in London tube machete attack - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49256120]Yeah well because manifest destiny and the US gov later on just invited the Indians over for a tea and biscuits, right?[/QUOTE] Most, if not the majority, of all native deaths were due to foreign disease brought over by Europeans. IE everybody from Spain to Britain or Portugal were all to blame. I mean this is general knowledge for 2nd grade America I dunno how it is there in Argentina.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49253955]Investigate Islamic extremists within your borders, [B]don't let in anymore Islamic extremists[/B], etc.[/QUOTE] literally the only way to do this is to not allow refugees. I'm not implying I support that, but you have to remember, i'm sure a lot of these people dont have birth certificates, any goverment issued IDs, etc. background checks are extremely difficult if not impossible

[QUOTE=ShimTaco;49256261]literally the only way to do this is to not allow refugees. I'm not implying I support that, but you have to remember, i'm sure a lot of these people dont have birth certificates, any goverment issued IDs, etc. background checks are extremely difficult if not impossible[/QUOTE] Yup, that's basically the crossroads everyone's at right now. If we don't allow refugees, there's the potential for a lot of people to either die or be subject to the conditions experienced in a fractured warzone plus ISIS influence. If we do, there are a metric fuckton of people looking to get in and it becomes an issue of increases in lone-wolf attacks as well as space concerns. This whole fucking mess is horrible, because it's kind of "damned if you do, damned if you dont" and the innocent refugees are caught in its net.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49256128]The idea that an entire country is "founded on genocide" is just retarded. I could say the same for Argentina, but I'm not going to, because I'm not going to take some weird moral highground stance that makes no sense.[/QUOTE] WOW Nice tu quoque Giving the fact that I never denied it, and in fact, I also think it was founded on genocide.... But that means you are denying it because just other countries have done it too....

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255628]a 30 cent shotgun shell is cheaper than my $1,100 TV.[/QUOTE] Ah, America. Where money matters more than moral principle.

[QUOTE=Da Big Man;49256239]Most, if not the majority, of all native deaths were due to foreign disease brought over by Europeans. IE everybody from Spain to Britain or Portugal were all to blame. I mean this is general knowledge for 2nd grade America I dunno how it is there in Argentina.[/QUOTE] Well it seems like you guys don't study your own history. I don't know where it fits into your dictionary, but for any 21th century standard human being, what was done in the US during the XIXth century, was, genocide. And given that it was necesary for the foundation and expansion of what we know as the actual US state.... Guess what!

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49256400]Well it seems like you guys don't study your own history. I don't know where it fits into your dictionary, but for any 21th century standard human being, what was done in the US during the XIXth century, was, genocide. And given that it was necesary for the foundation and expansion of what we know as the actual US state.... Guess what![/QUOTE] Will you get off your high horse?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49256017]This is true, I literally have trigger discipline on even TOY guns because that's how ingrained it is. People will call that shit out if you have bad T.D in front of other gun owners.[/QUOTE] fuck, man, i have trigger discipline on airsoft and imaginary guns and i've only ever gone shooting once in my life, all because i've seen enough people called out on it on the net. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49256400]Well it seems like you guys don't study your own history. I don't know where it fits into your dictionary, but for any 21th century standard human being, what was done in the US during the XIXth century, was, genocide. And given that it was necesary for the foundation and expansion of what we know as the actual US state.... Guess what![/QUOTE] yeah America was founded on genocide and everyone who was responsible for it died 100 years ago at the least. there is absolutely nothing we can do about that so why even bring it up?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49256471]fuck, man, i have trigger discipline on airsoft and imaginary guns and i've only ever gone shooting once in my life, all because i've seen enough people called out on it on the net. [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] yeah America was founded on genocide and everyone who was responsible for it died 100 years ago at the least. there is absolutely nothing we can do about that so why even bring it up?[/QUOTE] Because people just denied it? [QUOTE]Will you get off your high horse? [/QUOTE] When the other guy stops making stupid comments about education in my country which has nothing to with whether one can know about what happened in the US...well, yes, of course.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49256459]Will you get off your high horse?[/QUOTE] Said the guy who claims moral superiority for killing someone who steals a TV.

At this point it's hopeless to debate Cinnamonbun because he already said that If someone was breaking in to his house their life has no value to him. His material possessions mean much more to him then Someone else's life.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49253947]How the hell are you supposed to stop nutjobs like this beforehand?[/QUOTE] Give everyone a Louisville Slugger. Someone comes at you with a knife you just crank'em Funny enough that would actually kind of work in a place like England

[QUOTE=xbax;49256809]At this point it's hopeless to debate Cinnamonbun because he already said that If someone was breaking in to his house their life has no value to him. His material possessions mean much more to him then Someone else's life.[/QUOTE] Don't break into my fucking house, I don't understand why you would sympathize with some thief/rapist/murderer [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zero-Point;49256616]Said the guy who claims moral superiority for killing someone who steals a TV.[/QUOTE] Have you ever had your house robbed?

Unarmed people=harmless and not capable of hurting you even if they kick open your front door or punch a side window to get in. Unarmed people can kill people in a single haymaker y'know. If I was minding my own business at home and some random guy shimmies in through the bathroom window and doesn't try to escape the second we see each other, I'm going to have to assume that avoiding violence isn't part of the plan. If that means coming after them with a gun or kitchen knife, so be it. You don't suddenly fucking barge into someone's house and expect them to just run and hide inside their own house, which is supposed to be a safe place from shit like that. Some people would fight back through fear or rage, and you britbongs with your superiority complex seem to think those people are savages [I]for letting such a little thing such an intruder[/I] provoke a response

Fucking failure right there, guy only stabbed like 4 people. Your average chav could do better. Fucking disgrace of a terrorist.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255804]Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. People tend to want to kill you more over here(which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)[/QUOTE] howd you come up with this gem

[QUOTE=xbax;49256809]At this point it's hopeless to debate Cinnamonbun because he already said that If someone was breaking in to his house their life has no value to him. His material possessions mean much more to him then Someone else's life.[/QUOTE] If you want to live in a country where excessive force actually exists in self-defense, where material wealth is not necessarily held above that of human life, then I suggest you move elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49256888]Don't break into my fucking house, I don't understand why you would sympathize with some thief/rapist/murderer[/QUOTE] because most robbers are just desperate people who want to take your shit and leave. i don't disagree with shooting a guy coming through your door with a machete but i don't think stealing a TV should give you the death penalty either

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49256888]Don't break into my fucking house, I don't understand why you would sympathize with some thief/rapist/murderer [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] Have you ever had your house robbed?[/QUOTE] Dude, I thought you said you were done? [QUOTE]I concede, I get really into this sort of debates, my apologies for shitting up this thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255841]Well, I myself really enjoy firearms, one of the main reasons I own them is because I enjoy collecting them (mainly Combloc firearms) I absolutely love the history behind them. I also enjoy clay shooting, target shooting, etc. In fact I have a Polish AK47 coming to my local FFL soon, which I can't wait to shoot. I think it is fun.[/QUOTE] Oh and this is probably the most useless post in this thread.

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49254030]I am in desperate need for an head-in-the-sand apologist forum-resident to reconfirm this is not starting to become indicative of a deeper problem. Namely, the clashing cultures, and the resulting non-integration and social-segregation and tensions. MDeceiver? BDA maybe?[/QUOTE] Nope, it's all tumbling down

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;49257472]Dude, I thought you said you were done?[/QUOTE] I conceded to the point that I was shitting up the thread by taking it off topic. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;49257474]Oh and this is probably the most useless post in this thread.[/QUOTE] You replying to a useless post is just as useless, and me replying to your useless post is also just as useless.

[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;49256960]Unarmed people=harmless and not capable of hurting you even if they kick open your front door or punch a side window to get in. Unarmed people can kill people in a single haymaker y'know. If I was minding my own business at home and some random guy shimmies in through the bathroom window and doesn't try to escape the second we see each other, I'm going to have to assume that avoiding violence isn't part of the plan. If that means coming after them with a gun or kitchen knife, so be it. You don't suddenly fucking barge into someone's house and expect them to just run and hide inside their own house, which is supposed to be a safe place from shit like that. Some people would fight back through fear or rage, and you britbongs with your superiority complex seem to think those people are savages [I]for letting such a little thing such an intruder[/I] provoke a response[/QUOTE] Maybe, but unarmed people are a hell of a lot more harmless than someone with an object capable at putting a chunk of metal through your body faster than you can blink from several meters away. Guns are cool. If I lived in an area where they were legal, I'd definitely have at least one. But fuck me am I glad I don't, cause it means some motherfucker who's had a bad day or thinks he's goddamn Rambo isn't going to plant one in me. At least with a knife you'll generally see it coming.

[QUOTE=Lium;49257574]Maybe, but unarmed people are a hell of a lot more harmless than someone with an object capable at putting a chunk of metal through your body faster than you can blink from several meters away. Guns are cool. If I lived in an area where they were legal, I'd definitely have at least one. But fuck me am I glad I don't, cause it means some motherfucker who's had a bad day or thinks he's goddamn Rambo isn't going to plant one in me. At least with a knife you'll generally see it coming.[/QUOTE] The thing is guns ARE semi-legal in this country, you just have to provide a good reason to own one (other than its your rights lmao) and have no criminal background or mental health issues. Even then there are further restrictions, handguns must be muzzle loaded (No semi-autos), Shotgun barrels are crimped to only allow 3 shells at any one time (one in the chamber). All of these rules were designed to restrict the severity of a mass shooting while still allowing people to continue to use them.

[QUOTE=xbax;49256809]At this point it's hopeless to debate Cinnamonbun because he already said that If someone was breaking in to his house their life has no value to him. His material possessions mean much more to him then Someone else's life.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49257470]because most robbers are just desperate people who want to take your shit and leave. i don't disagree with shooting a guy coming through your door with a machete but i don't think stealing a TV should give you the death penalty either[/QUOTE] You do not know if they are there to take your TV, your life, or the life of one of your loved ones. Regardless of the severity of their malicious intent, you could cut all your losses then and there. But are you two saying that if a break-in occurred at your home, you would stay in your bedroom and hope that the intruder is merely stealing your possessions? Not to mention that a criminal audacious enough to burgle an [i]inhabited[/i] home is clearly not just someone down on their luck, they're looking for a fight.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49257564]You replying to a useless post is just as useless, and me replying to your useless post is also just as useless.[/QUOTE] No but I've seen people do that way too often. When there is a thread about ANY type of violence outside of U.S., then we get people literally coming in to say "Hey, I was at the range today with my gun. How do you like that? :-)" without even caring about the subject topic at hand. Like you. Now forget about that, but tell me what were you even suggesting in the first place? I'm actually curious. In like, respectful way? Are you suggesting that this particular case of violence could have been prevented, or [I]better dealt with[/I], by having less restrictive gun ownership laws in the country?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49253947]How the hell are you supposed to stop nutjobs like this beforehand?[/QUOTE] Well if you think about it, how easy would it be for you or me to suddenly decide to grab our kitchen knifes say and go out publicly to a bar/concert and then to simply pull it out and start slashing randomly at innocent people? It is usually a lone individual who carries out these kind of attacks. The only real way for the police to have any clue to potential crimes of this kind, is if someone invented a consciousness monitor that everyone must wear to detect a reading for violent thinking/thoughts.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255628]a 30 cent shotgun shell is cheaper than my $1,100 TV.[/QUOTE] Lol I have content insurance, I'll just get a new TV

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255804]Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. [U]People tend to want to kill you more over here[/U](which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)[/QUOTE] Citation definitely fucking needed m8 I get where you're coming from, but the reason why you are allowed to shoot dead anyone who enters your home is NOT because of some bullshit you coined up like [I]"American crime is different/badasser/cooler than UK crime for weenies!"[/I] but mainly because of your right to bear arms, which is kind of simultaneously extended to protecting your property or even your personal space in public in some states. Also, slightly unrelated, but I see a certain irony in people crying about police using excessive force when as a citizen it's technically impossible for you to use excessive force defending your property or self.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49255804]Exactly, american crime is much different than UK crime. People tend to want to kill you more over here(which is one of the reasons I have a gun so I don't get stabbed by some dipshit in my own home)[/QUOTE] well yeah you have been pretty vocal on having to want to kill people in this thread