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Let's think of a new word then, it needs to be short and effective.. Hmm.. How about Equalism, not related to Egalitarianism, but a system where everyone is equal, not just on deciding about things, like democracy, but in wealth and living conditions as well. Would it be too boring to live in such utopia?

[QUOTE=OvB;33293023]There are companies where every employee has an equal amount of shares, Thus equally owning the company.[/QUOTE] The best kind of company. That way everyone is also motived to-do their best in order to increase the value of their share(s) for the day they finally sell it. INB4 I get called a dirty communist.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;33282628]Bloomberg, I thought you were supposed to be in support of their right to protest.[/QUOTE] They're fine with protesters, but they want the mini-village to clear out. Real article before posting.

[QUOTE=OvB;33293023]There are companies where every employee has an equal amount of shares, Thus equally owning the company.[/QUOTE] *sniff* Smells like dirty communism! [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33292025]let's think for a moment, What kind of government do we really want? Communism? socialism? a democracy? Why not all three? Communistic control over corporations, socialistic human benefits, like welfare, social security, and a parliamentary system, with a congress then a prime minister?[/QUOTE] Communism is supposed to be democratic It's supposed to be about (among plenty others) expanding democratic principles to the workplace, rather the totalitarian system currently in place and then all societal ills will cease to exist and humanity will live happily in perfect harmony ever after

Some times you have to break rules to fix them. This is one of those times.

Ugh Fox News Radio (AM600 KOGO) [url]http://feeds.radioamerica.org/loudwater/rhs/000008053_000_000000010.mp3[/url] That's just the beginning of the drivel, there is this one I just heard 20 minutes ago (my mom listens to it). [editline]15th November 2011[/editline] There needs to be a megathread about OWS in GD or something.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;33293776]Ugh Fox News Radio (AM600 KOGO) [url]http://feeds.radioamerica.org/loudwater/rhs/000008053_000_000000010.mp3[/url] That's just the beginning of the drivel, there is this one I just heard 20 minutes ago (my mom listens to it). [editline]15th November 2011[/editline] There needs to be a megathread about OWS in GD or something.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that there was a megathread for it in GD back when this stuff started. Maybe it got closed?

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;33291714]Democracies turn into mob rule, mob rule turns into anarchy, and anarchy turns into oligarchy. I've already said this.[/QUOTE] Congress [I]is[/I] mob rule. All Democrats vote their way, all Republicans vote the opposite, whichever party has the most congressmen wins.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33295181]Congress [I]is[/I] mob rule. All Democrats vote their way, all Republicans vote the opposite, whichever party has the most congressmen wins.[/QUOTE] Except that Democrats don't always vote on party lines, like was the case with the Iraq War and the PATRIOT Act? [editline]15th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lazor;33292854]this video was semi-credible until it got to the political spectrum bit then it went full retard[/QUOTE] Did it say that the Roman Republic left people alone?

Shouldn't there be some legal precedent set by Hoovervilles?

[QUOTE=Jookia;33291897]Ahahaha, good. The mess that was there and fire hazards (candles in tents) was a mass manslaughter case ready to happen. Plus, you know, bunch of hippies with no end goal.[/QUOTE] the tony abbott avatar really adds to the stupidity of this post

you mean communism?

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;33291922]You know, there is this thing we can do in our country, it's called voting. It's where if you like someone's stance on things, and you think they will run the country a lot better than the previous guy, you can vote said person into office. I'm not sure what you think our "leaders" represent. I'm not a big fan of how big our government is getting, but you're really getting on the edge of conspiracy theories now. You're also getting very melodramatic and blowing everything out of proportion.[/QUOTE] It's hard to vote good people into office when the only people that get advertised are cooperate sock puppets. The problem is that the votes are effectively rigged, both parties belong to the corporations and favor the rich, the republicans are just bluntly honest about it.

Here's what i'm trying to say, A communistic approach to the corporations, As if they were controlled by the people, Then the government, Rather than the government and then the people, But the main government would be controlled by a democratic parliament, Pretty much congress, But from each county, Instead of each state. I know it'd be a large, But we break it up into three to five separate areas. Such as this, West coast, Northern states, Southern states, The colonies, then the middle states. For a total of three to five votes, overall, The votes would then be controlled separately. That way majority rules can be overruled. Then it's a matter of court systems, It'd be a jury, And similar to our current system, but no judges, just a councilman of the "senate" overhearing. And the social welfare system would be similar to the Norwegian or Swedish style of it, good healthcare, sorta high taxes but that's okay because there'll be balanced income. The main thing though is to set an minimum wage, and have the government control, but have the councilmen harder to corrupt, by random investigations by completely anonymous police investigation. The main point is to make a corruptible system and fight it with anti corruptible people, Because there shouldn't be enough money to pay off an entire police force. Not only that, Integrate the social rights, Equality, Abolish religion in government, Then use morals as laws. Rather than being able to be cited for some stupid reason like walking on the street after dark. Another issue that needs to be addressed is the gangs. My proposition is to use military force against them, If they're going to be militaristic, then use militaristic ideals. Allow the procreation of firearms in a city environment. As for the military, Use a strong national force, and keep it in the nation. no more frivolous wars. mandatory training for the able bodied, and a three year military contract, paid, so out of high school everyone can either go to college or go to the military, so they have money to spend, = more powerful economy. No taxes on exports, taxes on imports, mostly from china, Bring back factory jobs and unions here. Another thing is the transfixion on television and games. i haven't figured out to stop this without limiting personal freedom however. This type of government would prevent the distribution of wealth from being uneven, allow capitalism to flourish, and as well have a socialistic economy. There's unnamed benefits too, i won't be able to explain it all unless i write a book about it i suppose. And as for you thinking i don't know the words i'm saying, I'm a English major, I scored into the top 5~% I'm a story-writer and a poet as well.

i'm pretty sure anarcho-communism is more likely to come about than your system

[QUOTE=Lazor;33296293]i'm pretty sure anarcho-communism is more likely to come about than your system[/QUOTE] I'm not going to say it's perfect but it's a better system i believe than the current one. If america does fall to communism, i'll just move back to norway, and make sure my family can make it too.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296274] And as for you thinking i don't know the words i'm saying, I'm a English major, I scored into the top 5~% I'm a story-writer and a poet as well.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, you write fantasy, primarily? That's definitely what your political philosophy is [quote]My proposition is to use military force against them, If they're going to be militaristic, then use militaristic ideals.[/quote] Yup because that works out so well There's a reason why American soldiers aren't (supposed to be) allowed to be used for law enforcement on domestic soil [quote]random investigations by completely anonymous police investigation.[/quote] nice so we have a system run by an unaccountable shadow organisation with carte blanche to do what they want [quote]Then use morals as laws.[/quote] Yeah, been doing that since laws existed the issue is that people don't all have the same moral view [quote]No taxes on exports, taxes on imports, mostly from china, Bring back factory jobs [/quote] yup mercantilism great idea 18th century here we come! [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296299]I'm not going to say it's perfect but it's a better system i believe than the current one. If america does fall to communism, i'll just move back to norway, and make sure my family can make it too.[/QUOTE] what would be the downside of communism compared to your system?

Did you guys even know there was an Occupy Houston going on? I find it somewhat humorous that all the police brutality and confrontations are happening in the north despite our large Conservative and oil tycoon/business mogul population. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Houston[/url] We may not be as noticeable or, arguably effective as the ones up north, but at least people are not getting pepper-sprayed and corralled. Last I've checked we've only arrested three people. Southern Hospitality in a situation where honestly, I was not expecting to see it.

[QUOTE=Contag;33296397]Let me guess, you write fantasy, primarily? That's definitely what your political philosophy is Yup because that works out so well There's a reason why American soldiers aren't (supposed to be) allowed to be used for law enforcement on domestic soil nice so we have a system run by an unaccountable shadow organisation with carte blanche to do what they want Yeah, been doing that since laws existed the issue is that people don't all have the same moral view yup mercantilism great idea 18th century here we come! [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] what would be the downside of communism compared to your system?[/QUOTE] The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything, Too much power differed to the wrong people. All political philosophies are fantasy, until they're put into motion. As for the military thing, after all that's worked out SOO well here wouldn't you say? The "shadow organization" would be backed up by cops, Not by a super secret Illuminati experience. They're cops. They have to follow the rules too. It's not like they're the gestapo. In my system the states would pretty much be aligned in a true democratic system, With REAL power, And without enough power to become all powerful.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296532]The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything, Too much power differed to the wrong people. All political philosophies are fantasy, until they're put into motion. As for the military thing, after all that's worked out SOO well here wouldn't you say? The "shadow organization" would be backed up by cops, Not by a super secret Illuminati experience. They're cops. They have to follow the rules too. It's not like they're the gestapo. In my system the states would pretty much be aligned in a true democratic system, With REAL power, And without enough power to become all powerful.[/QUOTE] this has grown tiresome your points don't even warrant proper responses because it should be self-evident that they are either wrong or misguided [quote]I'm a English major, I scored into the top 5~% I'm a story-writer and a poet as well.[/quote] so what, they don't teach English majors when to capitalize?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296532]In my system the states would pretty much be aligned in a true democratic system, With REAL power, And without enough power to become all powerful.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, it's like I'm reading [I]"mny perfect werld - timmy, age 10"[/I].

[QUOTE=Contag;33296810]this has grown tiresome your points don't even warrant proper responses because it should be self-evident that they are either wrong or misguided so what, they don't teach English majors when to capitalize?[/QUOTE] Maybe it's cause i'm off college and i don't want to be so strict on my writing, as far as capitalization, It tells me that you're extremely biased towards personal attacks when you can't explain something fully. Your confrontational personality doesn't bode you well either. [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CheeseMan;33296891]Jesus Christ, it's like I'm reading [I]"mny perfect werld - timmy, age 10"[/I].[/QUOTE] Tell me what you would use then? Completely communist? That'd fail. Completely socialist? Hello blind hate. Completely democratic? Well there's that. But noone seems to use that. The damned truth is If you don't try to make a better idea, Then you're just as bad as the people who sit around doing nothing. Because you don't try to change things. You let them pass. The truth is If you don't come up with an idea to change the quality of life, you deserve the quality you already have.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296949]Tell me what you would use then? Completely communist? That'd fail. Completely socialist? Hello blind hate. Completely democratic? Well there's that. But noone seems to use that. The damned truth is If you don't try to make a better idea, Then you're just as bad as the people who sit around doing nothing. Because you don't try to change things. You let them pass. The truth is If you don't come up with an idea to change the quality of life, you deserve the quality you already have.[/QUOTE] Hey broseph, I hate to break this to you, but the world does not exist in absolutes and extremes. You can have a Democratic Socialist state, one with a mixed economy, or mixtures of other ideologies, but to say that the only other options are "Completely Communist" and the like is just so over-simplified it's not even funny.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33297100]Hey broseph, I hate to break this to you, but the world does not exist in absolutes and extremes. You can have a Democratic Socialist state, one with a mixed economy, or mixtures of other ideologies, but to say that the only other options are "Completely Communist" and the like is just so over-simplified it's not even funny.[/QUOTE] The real point of what i was saying was he's not trying to change things. It's the same with writing, You can have extremes, But there's always another book, Another view, always another mix of horror, Romance, Among so many others.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33297117]The real point of what i was saying was he's not trying to change things. It's the same with writing, You can have extremes, But there's always another book, Another view, always another mix of horror, Romance, Among so many others.[/QUOTE] your arguments literally make 0 sense

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33296949]Maybe it's cause i'm off college and i don't want to be so strict on my writing, as far as capitalization, It tells me that you're extremely biased towards personal attacks when you can't explain something fully. [/QUOTE] Strict on your writing? I get no capitalization at all, but why on earth would you capitalize letters after a comma? [quote]Your confrontational personality doesn't bode you well either.[/quote] wow thanks Dr. psychologist! Alright, I'll respond to your points and pretend they are actually worthy of discussion at all. [quote]The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything, Too much power differed to the wrong people.[/quote] This, for example. You've obviously never read a fucking single piece of marxist literature, because the idea is that power is shared entirely equally. The maxist dialectic position is that the means of production is basically power (simplification but anywho), and as all citizens own the means of production, all citizens share equal power.| You can't just say "The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything" without sounding like a fucking moron. [quote] As for the military thing, after all that's worked out SOO well here wouldn't you say?[/quote] I'm not even sure how to interpret this. Are you saying that the police commit acts of brutality because the military is no present? The lack of a military coup and the lack of use of the military to suppress legitimate protests argues against you. It has worked out quite well for the US. [quote]The "shadow organization" would be backed up by cops, Not by a super secret Illuminati experience. They're cops. They have to follow the rules too. It's not like they're the gestapo.[/quote] [quote]random investigations by completely anonymous police investigation.[/quote] So the police force is somehow this incorruptible force, and the police have never been corrupt in the past. Are they subject to the councilmen's law? In this system who creates the law? How can they be accountable and incorruptible if they are allowed to conduct random investigations anonymously? Or are you advocating a police structure without a hierarchy? Then who gives order? Who commands a response in times of emergency? You throw out there comments with absolutely no consideration of how problematic they are, and entirely without justification. [quote]In my system the states would pretty much be aligned in a true democratic system, With REAL power, And without enough power to become all powerful.[/quote] How? You've just merged 50 states into five. What are their rights? How is it different from a 50 state system? Do you mean you're abolishing the federal government? Do you have a vote every time something needs to be done? Is this a direct democracy or representative? How are these governments elected? Do political parties run campaigns? Are there even different political parties? How do you manage the allocation of funds to political parties? If it's not a direct democracy how is it a 'truly democratic system'? If it is a direct democracy, how do you combat the tyranny of the majority? etc. [editline]16th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33297117]The real point of what i was saying was he's not trying to change things. It's the same with writing, You can have extremes, But there's always another book, Another view, always another mix of horror, Romance, Among so many others.[/QUOTE] Your analogy Is a very Poor one.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33297117]The real point of what i was saying was he's not trying to change things. It's the same with writing, You can have extremes, But there's always another book, Another view, always another mix of horror, Romance, Among so many others.[/QUOTE] And how exactly are you "trying to change things"? By writing ~inspired~ remarks about the abject disgrace that is our political system, when you could for all intents and purposes join a civil rights advocacy or anti-corruption group instead, and maybe actually do something?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33297117]The real point of what i was saying was he's not trying to change things. It's the same with writing, You can have extremes, But there's always another book, Another view, always another mix of horror, Romance, Among so many others.[/QUOTE] So what is social democracy then? I mean, you alluded to it and the way you generalize [quote]Completely communist? That'd fail. Completely socialist? Hello blind hate. [/quote] Like really? BLIND HATE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Are you talking about how most americans shiver when they hear the term 'socialism'? Well, gee, I wonder how they'll react when you say this [quote]And the social welfare system would be similar to the Norwegian or Swedish style of it, good healthcare, sorta high taxes but that's okay because there'll be balanced income.[/quote] Hey guys what are two prominent social democratic states surely not norway and sweden!

[QUOTE=Contag;33297202]This, for example. You've obviously never read a fucking single piece of marxist literature, because the idea is that power is shared entirely equally. The maxist dialectic position is that the means of production is basically power (simplification but anywho), and as all citizens own the means of production, all citizens share equal power.| You can't just say "The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything" without sounding like a fucking moron.[/QUOTE] If he wants to talk Marxist literature, he picked the wrong fight. I have a copy of 'State and Revolution' by Lenin, in which he cites Engels: "The shabbiest police servant has more authority than the representative of the clan, but even the head of the military power of a civilized state may well envy the elder of a clan, the unrestrained respect of society." This is just one of many passages where the concentration of power is criticized. "Too much power differed to the wrong people"? What is this, amateur hour at the community college?

[QUOTE=Contag;33297202]Strict on your writing? I get no capitalization at all, but why on earth would you capitalize letters after a comma? wow thanks Dr. psychologist! Alright, I'll respond to your points and pretend they are actually worthy of discussion at all. This, for example. You've obviously never read a fucking single piece of marxist literature, because the idea is that power is shared entirely equally. The maxist dialectic position is that the means of production is basically power (simplification but anywho), and as all citizens own the means of production, all citizens share equal power.| You can't just say "The downside of communism, Is pretty much everything" without sounding like a fucking moron. I'm not even sure how to interpret this. Are you saying that the police commit acts of brutality because the military is no present? The lack of a military coup and the lack of use of the military to suppress legitimate protests argues against you. It has worked out quite well for the US. So the police force is somehow this incorruptible force, and the police have never been corrupt in the past. Are they subject to the councilmen's law? In this system who creates the law? How can they be accountable and incorruptible if they are allowed to conduct random investigations anonymously? Or are you advocating a police structure without a hierarchy? Then who gives order? Who commands a response in times of emergency? You throw out there comments with absolutely no consideration of how problematic they are, and entirely without justification. How? You've just merged 50 states into five. What are their rights? How is it different from a 50 state system? Do you mean you're abolishing the federal government? Do you have a vote every time something needs to be done? Is this a direct democracy or representative? How are these governments elected? Do political parties run campaigns? Are there even different political parties? How do you manage the allocation of funds to political parties? If it's not a direct democracy how is it a 'truly democratic system'? If it is a direct democracy, how do you combat the tyranny of the majority? [/QUOTE] First point, It's 11pm here. As well, i'm used to writing poetry. Comma, Capital new start, period, New verse. Second point, Look at how good russia worked out. In any means true communism will not work because too many people are greedy. If everyone has the same rights then they CANNOT stop someone. Third point, The military being here, It doesn't have to be big, we can have nation guard like we do now, With a small military, Think pre world war 1/2. Fourth, They would be under the council's law. But the council themselves would have no power over them, It would go Supreme council --> Council --> judges --> then Police. meaning the further away, the less power. the supreme council makes a law, then in moves into council to be approved, Then if it is, it's moved onto the juries of people, Say out of thirty, over half approve, then it'll be formed into law. Fifth point, You're bad at reading. It goes County --> state --> Council --> Supreme council, it's different because the county themselves can introduce a bill, Not just a statesman, or a state council. The point of this is to not have political parties. it's direct democracy watered down. It's half Representative, then it's half direct, i'll have to explain it further in the future. Sixth point, It's a good analogy, Albeit a complicated one.