Mayor Predicts “Waco-Style Standoff” In Response to Obama Gun Confiscation - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jdeedler;39274860]I'm pretty sure he was just enforcing the fact that guns are violent by their nature. I didn't see where he tried to demonize anyone.[/QUOTE] the only gun thats violent in nature is the AVT-40. that thing will rip itself apart right after it rips your shoulder apart!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274875]if all you want to do is pierce paper for target shooting are you not able to use rubber bullets or some other less-lethal ammunition?[/QUOTE] What if i want to go out to 1,000 yards.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274875]if all you want to do is pierce paper for target shooting are you not able to use rubber bullets or some other less-lethal ammunition?[/QUOTE] Because rubber ammo isn't as common or cheap as actual ammunition, nor does it perform the same. If you produce an ammunition that has the same properties as normal ammunition, at the same cost and availability, without forcing me to modify my firearms, I will buy that shit up in a heartbeat. Until then, I'll keep killing paper with my normal ammunition.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39274877]the only gun thats violent in nature is the AVT-40. that thing will rip itself apart right after it rips your shoulder apart![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;39225527]Maybe this is why I seem so aggro because seemingly every thread about gun control has, by page 15, turned into a "post your gun collection and favorite guns" thread and, in light of this, I want to fucking puke?[/QUOTE]

I was making a light hearted joke, don't get your panties in a knot, sheesh.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274875]if all you want to do is pierce paper for target shooting are you not able to use rubber bullets or some other less-lethal ammunition?[/QUOTE] Then what do you use your guns for, then, if you're so against lead ammunition in target-shooting?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39274885]Because rubber ammo isn't as common or cheap as actual ammunition, nor does it perform the same. If you produce an ammunition that has the same properties as normal ammunition, at the same cost and availability, without forcing me to modify my firearms, I will buy that shit up in a heartbeat. Until then, I'll keep killing paper with my normal ammunition.[/QUOTE] oh hey you know what i'm sorry let me tell all the people who die every year because of firearms that, while their death is unfortunate, at least their death wasn't in vain. because while they may be dead and thousands more will die each year, at least you can comfortably keep shooting pieces of paper without having to spend any more money on your already expensive hobby [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274899]Then what do you use your guns for, then, if you're so against lead ammunition in target-shooting?[/QUOTE] i shoot at targets but if legislation was put forward to heavily restrict the sale of lethal ammunition i would be in favor of it and wouldn't be complaining on the internet about my right to shooting paper being taken away

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274909]oh hey you know what i'm sorry let me tell all the people who die every year because of firearms that, while their death is unfortunate, at least their death wasn't in vain. because while they may be dead and thousands more will die each year, at least you can comfortably keep shooting pieces of paper without having to spend any more money on your already expensive hobby[/QUOTE] Holy shit you're cynical

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274899]Then what do you use your guns for, then, if you're so against lead ammunition in target-shooting?[/QUOTE] I use them to shoot my friends , then again i'm shooting them with nerf darts :v:

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274919]Holy shit you're cynical[/QUOTE] thanks for your insightful response i now see how flawed my point was no really are you going to say anything remotely useful or relevant or just make these lame "ahehe you suck!! haha" posts?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274929]thanks for your insightful response i now see how flawed my point was no really are you going to say anything remotely useful or relevant or just make these lame "ahehe you suck!! haha" posts?[/QUOTE] Counterpoint: Your post was not graceful at all and directly called him out, allowing you to stoop to his level.

Wait Kopimi why do you own guns if you hate them so much [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] serious question

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274929]thanks for your insightful response i now see how flawed my point was no really are you going to say anything remotely useful or relevant or just make these lame "ahehe you suck!! haha" posts?[/QUOTE] How is it any different from you making personal assumptions and attacks such as "I wouldn't complain on the internet about my right to shoot paper being taken away"? You're the one with the white noise posts. You consistently attack users with snide and cynical comments, and the moment someone returns the favor you immediately go on the offensive. Just because I shoot at targets with lead doesn't make me an evil person or someone who "prefers their hobby over the life of another". I just shoot at targets, big deal. So what if the original design of my guns were to kill, that doesn't mean I'm going to use them for that intention. The ratio of gun-owners who would never use their guns to [I][U]murder[/U][/I], is eons farther ahead than those who would. Not all gun-owners buy their guns to fight the government or go on murderous sprees. If anything, they do it for a non-violent hobby that involves nothing more than some loud noise and some shredded paper. Yes, some people can be hurt while target shooting, but those are people who do not take precautions that are necessary when it comes to the sport. Instead, they ignore those rules and suffer the consequences. The same could be said for driving. If there's anything violent most guns are intended for, would be hunting or home defense. Many people treat this hobby as something important, because they are given the right to, and would like to exercise that right. Target shooting is nothing to be afraid of.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39274962]Wait Kopimi why do you own guns if you hate them so much[/QUOTE] golly maybe i don't actually hate guns! maybe i just think it's ridiculous to think that a casual hobby is worth the loss of thousands of human lives every year!! imagine that!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274979]golly maybe i don't actually hate guns! maybe i just think it's ridiculous to think that a casual hobby is worth the loss of thousands of human lives every year!! imagine that![/QUOTE] Melt your guns down ASAP. Wouldn't want somebody stealing them and using them to commit mass murder.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39274979]golly maybe i don't actually hate guns! maybe i just think it's ridiculous to think that a casual hobby is worth the loss of thousands of human lives every year!! imagine that![/QUOTE] Brilliant generalization there. None of us think that at all. We think that the loss of human life and the act of murder is deplorable, evil and must be controlled to the furthest extent. However, we do not think that involves stripping away harmless activities in an attempt to achieve something that might not actually work.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274974]How is it any different from you making personal assumptions and attacks such as "I wouldn't complain on the internet about my right to shoot paper being taken away"? You're the one with the white noise posts. You consistently attack users with snide and cynical comments, and the moment someone returns the favor you immediately go on the offensive.[/QUOTE] the difference being that my cynicism and snideness is conveyed through a coherent point that has something to do with the argument. if i wanted to just make white noise i'd just make a post that literally says nothing but "you're paranoid/stupid/childish/snide/cynical" [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274974]Just because I shoot at targets with lead doesn't make me an evil person or someone who "prefers their hobby over the life of another". I just shoot at targets, big deal.[/QUOTE] wow good point! good thing i never said you were evil! that would be embarrassing.. and sorry but considering you try to block and discredit any discussion of gun control legislation and your primary defense is "i like to shoot its my favorite hobby!!", yeah you're kinda giving off a "my hobby is more important than life" vibe. sorry dude [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274974]So what if the original design of my guns were to kill, that doesn't mean I'm going to use them for that intention. The ratio of gun-owners who would never use their guns to [I][U]murder[/U][/I], is eons farther ahead than those who would. Not all gun-owners buy their guns to fight the government or go on murderous sprees. If anything, they do it for a non-violent hobby that involves nothing more than some loud noise and some shredded paper. Yes, some people can be hurt while target shooting, but those are people who do not take precautions that are necessary when it comes to the sport. Instead, they ignore those rules and suffer the consequences. The same could be said for driving. If there's anything violent most guns are intended for, would be hunting or home defense. Many people treat this hobby as something important, because they are given the right to, and would like to exercise that right. Target shooting is nothing to be afraid of.[/QUOTE] this was a really long drawn out way of making an extremely simple and futile point. nobody cares that 99% of gun owners are responsible and will never hurt anyone. the point is that the proliferation of guns in the civilian arms market here in america makes violent crime and murder accessible and effective, which is why something should be done to limit it..

Then do you think you are some kind of exception? If you don't think anyone should own guns, start by getting rid of yours.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39275015] which is why something should be done to limit it..[/QUOTE] Then what should be done? Give us an example.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39274994]Brilliant generalization there. None of us think that at all. We think that the loss of human life and the act of murder is deplorable, evil and must be controlled to the furthest extent. However, we do not think that involves stripping away harmless activities in an attempt to achieve something that might not actually work.[/QUOTE] are you against federal laws for background checks, barring private sale, gun sale registry and reporting of sales to the ATF, mental health checks for purchasing a firearm? [QUOTE=Apache249;39274990]Melt your guns down ASAP. Wouldn't want somebody stealing them and using them to commit mass murder.[/QUOTE] tbh watching people rate joke posts that are less funny than open mic at a pub "funny" or "zinger" just because the person is attacking someone you disagree with is a really sad way of demonstrating how defensive and desperate yall are in these discussions.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39275024]Then what should be done? Give us an example.[/QUOTE] Forcibly confiscate them in return for $100 applebee's gift cards

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39275030]are you against federal laws for background checks, barring private sale, gun sale registry and reporting of sales to the ATF, mental health checks for purchasing a firearm? [/QUOTE] 1.) I am not against it, I never have been other than registries 2.) This isn't something that would restrict target shooting or the collection hobby 3.) Thank you for answering my question

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39275023]Then do you think you are some kind of exception? [B]If you don't think anyone should own guns[/B], start by getting rid of yours.[/QUOTE] maybe you should catch up on what my actual stance is before you try to make clever arguments against what you assume i believe

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39275031]Forcibly confiscate them in return for $100 applebee's gift cards[/QUOTE] Stop

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39275030]are you against federal laws for background checks, barring private sale, gun sale registry and reporting of sales to the ATF, mental health checks for purchasing a firearm? tbh watching people rate joke posts that are less funny than open mic at a pub "funny" or "zinger" just because the person is attacking someone you disagree with is a really sad way of demonstrating how defensive and desperate yall are in these discussions.[/QUOTE] The only thing there I'm against is barring private sale. If I want to sell a firearm to someone I know then I should be able to, even if I have to notify the government that I've made the sale and that he's made the purchase. As long as new measures are streamlined and don't make it any more of a hassle for someone who isn't the target of those measures, it's fine.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39275036]1.) I am not against it, I never have been other than registries 2.) This isn't something that would restrict target shooting or the collection hobby 3.) Thank you for answering my question[/QUOTE] 1. then i'm not talking about you when i say "values hobby over life". congratulations! 2. yes i'm well aware of that. shockingly i'm actually advocating gun control that will be effective in saving lives, i don't care about your hobby! [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=teh pirate;39275048]The only thing there I'm against is barring private sale. If I want to sell a firearm to someone I know then I should be able to, even if I have to notify the government that I've made the sale and that he's made the purchase. As long as new measures are streamlined and don't make it any more of a hassle for someone who isn't the target of those measures, it's fine.[/QUOTE] if you don't bar private sale it completely nullifies the effect of all of that other legislation related to gun registries, background checks and mental health evaluations.. if you want to sell to your friend set up some kind of deal where a gun shop can be licensed to do the paperwork and background checks and conduct the sale for you. keeps the economy going :)

-scratch that, wouldn't work-

I'm also not big on registries but if they're shown to be effective then fine. I just don't want loads of ineffective bullshit piled on top of the already bloated process for buying anything other than a .22.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39275062]I'm also not big on registries but if they're shown to be effective then fine. [B]I just don't want loads of ineffective bullshit piled on top of the already bloated process for buying anything other than a .22[/B].[/QUOTE] this is an example of what i'm referring to when i say people value hobbies over lives your inconvenience is a ridiculous counterargument to any slight attempt at preventing violent crime. nobody will hold a funeral for the couple of months you had to spend waiting for your rifle.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39275051]1. then i'm not talking about you when i say "values hobby over life". congratulations! 2. yes i'm well aware of that. shockingly i'm actually advocating gun control that will be effective in saving lives, i don't care about your hobby! [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] if you don't bar private sale it completely nullifies the effect of all of that other legislation related to gun registries, background checks and mental health evaluations.. if you want to sell to your friend set up some kind of deal where a gun shop can be licensed to do the paperwork and background checks and conduct the sale for you. keeps the economy going :)[/QUOTE] I'm saying that you could have to send the ATF a copy of a bill of sale or something, so that the transfer of ownership is on their books, and they could require you to somehow confirm with them every few years that you do in fact own the guns they have you registered for.