[QUOTE=Ylsid;48778860]Why the hell did ratings get disabled, it was nice having the informed majority drown out the idiot minority[/QUOTE]
It must be hard not being able to articulate your argument in any other way then clicking a tiny icon.
[QUOTE=gastyne;48778899]It must be hard not being able to articulate your argument in any other way then clicking a tiny icon.[/QUOTE]
My argument is as follows.
You have a severe misunderstanding of how dangerous a man with a gun is, regardless of disability or race. The police would've shot a white man reaching for a gun. The police would've shot an Asian man reaching for a gun. They would've shot literally anyone in this situation. It doesn't matter that he was in a wheel chair. Guns are the great equalizer of physical violence. Anyone can use them, from that dude in the wheel chair to a child who unlocked their parents gun cabinet. The moment you reach into your pocket for anything while the cops are actively pointing their firearms at you is the moment you willingly forfeited your right to not be shot. In this case it was especially justified considering he DID have a gun in the pocket he reached into. Don't give me bullshit about "they could've tased him" or "they should've just charged at him before he could pull it out" because both of these put everyone at the incident at unneeded risk. It doesn't take a long time for someone to pull a gun out of a pocket. You also don't need to pull the gun out of the pocket to shoot it.
If this had ended with "Police officer killed trying to wrestle gun away from dude in wheelchair" how would you feel then? The fact of the matter is that the police did exactly the right thing.
[editline]28th September 2015[/editline]
Unless of course you arbitrarily value the dudes life over the cop. In which case you're the discriminatory one here.
[editline]28th September 2015[/editline]
Also given the angle he was pulling the gun out it would've taken him maybe 5 more seconds to start shooting in the direction of the cop. The cop sure as hell isn't going to wrestle that gun away in time for him to stop the dude from shooting
[QUOTE=gastyne;48778899]It must be hard not being able to articulate your argument in any other way then clicking a tiny icon.[/QUOTE]
Cry about it, the system worked and was better
[QUOTE=cody8295;48777443]Im just of the opinion that cops shouldnt be so trigger happy. The man didnt even display his gun, we dont know for sure if he was even going to take it out. Surely the cops could have exercised better judgement[/QUOTE]
You stupid motherfucker, HE HAD A GUN, AND WAS GOING TO USE IT TO EITHER KILL HIMSELF OR SHOOT A FEW PEOPLE AND FUCKING GET SUICIDE BY COP
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;48779005]The moment you reach into your pocket for anything while the cops are actively pointing their firearms at you is the moment you willingly forfeited your right to not be shot.[/QUOTE]
That may be kind of a weird way to put it, because you actually can't forfeit your human rights lol. They're just arbitrarily there when you are born as a human being. It's mostly about shit like slavery anyway.
However you do make the cops fear for their safety, and the instructions are clear. And I agree all the way there.
It's also the abundance of guns in the U.S. that is probably mentioned more than once during their training.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48778371]I believe cops should only make it formally clear that they WILL kill you if you don't comply as instructed, each time they begin to deal with any citizen under any circumstances.
(Unless they draw their gun, then there's barely time to draw one yourself and start firing as they fire into you.)[/QUOTE]
But that does happen. It's not like the moment they see a man with a gun they pump all their lead into them.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48779389]That may be kind of a weird way to put it, because you actually can't forfeit your human rights lol. They're just arbitrarily there when you are born as a human being. It's mostly about shit like slavery anyway.[/quote]
Not being shot isn't a human right?
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However you do make the cops fear for their safety, and the instructions are clear. And I agree all the way there. [/quote]
Thats exactly what I insinuated with my post?
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It's also the abundance of guns in the U.S. that is probably mentioned more than once during their training.[/QUOTE]
Putting your hand into your pocket while a cop is pointing his firearm at you is a bad idea in any country....
[QUOTE=Apache249;48777710]No, you're wrong.[/QUOTE]
Wrong about what? The video clearly shows he wasnt holding a gun when he was shot. My opinion is that the cops could have waited another half second to open fire.
[QUOTE=Ylsid;48779110]Cry about it, the system worked and was better[/QUOTE]
What am I crying about. I am calmlyvoicing my opinion on the matter.
You are the one complain.
[editline]28th September 2015[/editline]
Friendly reminder: this situation could have possibly never happened if there was a more logical gun control law.
[QUOTE=gastyne;48780359]What am I crying about. I am calmlyvoicing my opinion on the matter.
You are the one complain.
[editline]28th September 2015[/editline]
Friendly reminder: this situation could have possibly never happened if there was a more logical gun control law.[/QUOTE]
This would not have happened in the UK, possibly for 2 reasons. The guy would not have been armed and even if he was the police would not have gunned him down so quickly as we are not so blasé about police being armed here.
[QUOTE=Fort83;48780445]Good thing you're not a cop. Because if you were an officer in a situation like this and decided to hesitate when someone was pulling a gun, you, a fellow officer or an innocent bystander would be injured or killed. Hesitating to react to a threat gets people killed.[/QUOTE]
If i was a cop I wouldn't pull the trigger before I saw a weapon
[QUOTE=cody8295;48780452]If i was a cop I wouldn't pull the trigger before I saw a weapon[/QUOTE]
Enjoy getting shot then
[video]https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g?t=90[/video]
[QUOTE=cody8295;48780452]If i was a cop I wouldn't pull the trigger before I saw a weapon[/QUOTE]
And you wouldn't get another chance to
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48779835]Not being shot isn't a human right?
Thats exactly what I insinuated with my post?
Putting your hand into your pocket while a cop is pointing his firearm at you is a bad idea in any country....[/QUOTE]
Yes, to all of those.
Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?
[QUOTE=cody8295;48781723]Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?[/QUOTE]
Because the guy already wildly discharged his weapon indicating he gave no fucks. I don't like the idea of killing someone but I draw the line when you openly flaunt that you are a danger to yourself and others WHILE police have you at gunpoint. You don't have time to wait. You have seconds, maybe fractions of a second to make decisions and wrong/bad decisions cost the lives of officers and innocent people. THAT is why they can't afford to "wait and see."
[QUOTE=cody8295;48781723]Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?[/QUOTE]
that's really easy to say when you're not in the shoes of the police officer. Not only that, when people are showing that they're a danger to both themselves and anybody around them, there's always a chance that things will go down south faster than you can comprehend, and you have very little time to make decisions. Sometimes you have to weigh in and take snap decisions to hopefully ensure that there's no unneeded loss of life.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48781723]Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?[/QUOTE]
what the hell? Cops aren't some kind of fucking disposable robot, they are people too with families and children and clearly want to avoid dying, and asking them to "sacrifice themselves" is some delusional fucking thinking.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48781723]Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?[/QUOTE]
"Cops should let people shoot them because they're there to sacrifice their lives" -cody8295
How are you that delusional
The man didnt have a gun pointed at anybody. Imo that's reason enough wait and see
[QUOTE=cody8295;48782131]The man didnt have a gun pointed at anybody. Imo that's reason enough wait and see[/QUOTE]
You don't wait and see until he is in the perfect position to kill someone. You cut them short far before then.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48780202]Wrong about what? The video clearly shows he wasnt holding a gun when he was shot. My opinion is that the cops could have waited another half second to open fire.[/QUOTE]
You have the benefit of hindsight. The policemen in that situation did not.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48782131]The man didnt have a gun pointed at anybody. Imo that's reason enough wait and see[/QUOTE]
Wait and see until you're staring down the barrel of it and have no time to react
[QUOTE=cody8295;48781723]Cops should sacrifice their lives to save the lives of others, even If theyre suicidal. Why shoot if theres no weapon pointed at another individual?[/QUOTE]
Hahahhaha how fucking delusional are you? If the police sacrificed their lives like that they would just have thrown away more lives and [I]then kill him[/I], what good comes out of that?
I mean, firefighters are heroes because they sacrifice their lives sometimes to save others, why shouldn't cops be expected to do the same?
[QUOTE=cody8295;48784185]I mean, firefighters are heroes because they sacrifice their lives sometimes to save others, why shouldn't cops be expected to do the same?[/QUOTE]
Holy shit. Cops are expected to do the same. The situation your describe isn't sacrifice to save someone its letting some dude kill you for no reason and then have your buddies unload into him.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48784233]Holy shit. Cops are expected to do the same. The situation your describe isn't sacrifice to save someone its letting some dude kill you for no reason and then have your buddies unload into him.[/QUOTE]
you act as though this guy is the fastest hand in the fucking west, you don't think there's a possibility the cops would be a little quicker to pull the trigger and hit a target than a man in a chair?
[QUOTE=cody8295;48784274]you act as though this guy is the fastest hand in the fucking west, you don't think there's a possibility the cops would be a little quicker to pull the trigger and hit a target than a man in a chair?[/QUOTE]
Action vs Reaction
[QUOTE=cody8295;48784274]you act as though this guy is the fastest hand in the fucking west, you don't think there's a possibility the cops would be a little quicker to pull the trigger and hit a target than a man in a chair?[/QUOTE]
The dude had his hand on the gun in his pocket. His pocket was already pointed in a way that was directed at the cop. At this point he wouldn't even have to pull it out of the pocket. All he had to do was pull the trigger.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48784274]you act as though this guy is the fastest hand in the fucking west, you don't think there's a possibility the cops would be a little quicker to pull the trigger and hit a target than a man in a chair?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, a [I]possibility[/I]. A possibility that could have gone the other way that no one should risk.
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