People forget how to drive when it's snowing as snowstorm strikes Winnipeg, results in a 17 car pile
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[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/17-vehicle-pileup-on-bishop-grandin-boulevard-blamed-on-icy-roads-1.3325603[/url]
[quote=CBC]Winnipeg police are at the scene of a 17-vehicle pileup on Bishop Grandin Boulevard that's being blamed on ice-slicked roads.
Emergency crews were called to the bridge on Bishop Grandin, just west of River Road, at 9:25 p.m. Wednesday.
One person suffered minor injuries. Police say icy road conditions are a likely factor in the collision.
A number of roads in the area are blocked to traffic, says CBC videographer Michael Fazio.
Outside the city, the Trans-Canada Highway was closed in the vicinity of Portage la Prairie, Man., to the intersection with Highway 16 on the eastbound lanes at 9:45 p.m. due to a motor vehicle collision.[/quote]
Nobody probably had their snow tires on yet. Still, for Winnipeg, this is very embarrassing.
Some people seem to slow to a crawl at the slightest drizzle but then drive 100mph on icy roads, I don't get it. Other way around you fuck.
As a firefighter in western New York, this happens more times than you think. Not neccisarialy big pile ups but accidents that can be easily avoided if you were paying attention and/or adjusting to conditions.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49144229]Some people seem to slow to a crawl at the slightest drizzle but then drive 100mph on icy roads, I don't get it. Other way around you fuck.[/QUOTE]
That's a thing even in Finland. Slightest hickup to the weather and there are tons of idiots driving around half the speed limit on highways.
We're shit-talking people who drive cautiously in bad weather in a thread about a 17 car pile-up because people weren't cautious of the weather?
[QUOTE=matt000024;49144178]Nobody probably had their snow tires on yet. Still, for Winnipeg, this is very embarrassing.[/QUOTE]
Technically, you don't need snow tires for things like this, unless local law requires it.
A good set of all seasons with an experienced driver outdoes an inexperienced driver on snow tires in every case.
[editline]19th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49144439]We're shit-talking people who drive cautiously in bad weather in a thread about a 17 car pile-up because people weren't cautious of the weather?[/QUOTE]
It's called taking the situation into consideration.
When it's well above freezing, high visibility, 60MPH/100KPH speed limit; it is not only dangerous, but illegal in most places to drive 30MPH and blame it on a light drizzle.
Every year, I swear to god. The first week is always such a shitshow.
Christ, I'm a native Texan and I can drive on ice.
Ok, just humour an Australian whose never driven on ice before.
What do you have to change when driving? Slow down a lot?
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49145304]Ok, just humour an Australian whose never driven on ice before.
What do you have to change when driving? Slow down a lot?[/QUOTE]
It's comparable to driving on sand if you've ever done that.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49145304]Ok, just humour an Australian whose never driven on ice before.
What do you have to change when driving? Slow down a lot?[/QUOTE]
Think for a moment on how it is to drive on ice instead of tarmac. Then if its really snowy, its almost half-ice half-tarmac which may still make you slide a lot.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49144229]Some people seem to slow to a crawl at the slightest drizzle but then drive 100mph on icy roads, I don't get it. Other way around you fuck.[/QUOTE]
This, I once was driving home on an unplowed highway and some loon got on the road doing 60-70 mph, almost hit no less than a dozen cars because he was determined to speed in a 4x4 truck, finally spun into a wall after 20 minutes or so which is for the best since he nearly caused a massive wreck from loony driving
But the moment we get a dusting of snow people react as if they can't see or stear
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49145304]Ok, just humour an Australian whose never driven on ice before.
What do you have to change when driving? Slow down a lot?[/QUOTE]
Slow down a lot, topping out around 40mph (only on salted or sanded highways!) 25-30 city streets, accelerate and brake extremely gently, engine brake if you drive a manual, and leave a Fucking ton of space between your car and everyone else. And starting off in second gear helps a lot.
[QUOTE=viper shtf;49146015]Slow down a lot, topping out around 40mph (only on salted or sanded highways!) 25-30 city streets, accelerate and brake extremely gently, engine brake if you drive a manual, and leave a Fucking ton of space between your car and everyone else. And starting off in second gear helps a lot.[/QUOTE]
Also always take your time at intersections and assume that the other traffic is going to blast through. Nearly daily when we've had fresh snow storms I watch people who were going way to fast for conditions blast threw a newly red light because "I CANT STOP!"
Also people are somehow not aware of things like snow buildup between lanes, they just make rapid lane changes like conditions are normal and hit the slush or piles between the lanes and lose their ass. To top all that off, a lot of the people who drive like maniacs in the snow also don't take the time to properly clear off their car, so they are driving with a 3 square foot square cleared out on their windshield, headlights and no visibility of mirrors or their rear window.
Also it depends a lot on your vehicle as well. I drive a 4wd F150 crew cab and I always make sure to put a few hundred pounds of salt bags in the bed during the winter season, that basically removes all traction issues with accelerating from a stop. It obviously doesn't do anything for braking, so you need to be just as cautious, but without 4wd or weight in the bed of the truck you often seen trucks taking off from a stop and having no control on their back end, sliding out of their lane and just being unstable and unpredictable. Hell there's a section of road that has a light on a hill and it's not uncommon to see people losing traction when they go to take off and end up sliding backwards down the hill.
I'd expect better from Manitoba, the land of the blizzard and mountains of snow and ice.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49146080]I'd expect better from Manitoba, the land of the blizzard and mountains of snow and ice.[/QUOTE]
I'm not surprised, we had some rainy weather followed by a blizzard type thing and my buddy decided it would be a great time to hang out. I drove from just outside of my city and saw 4 people [I]fly[/I] through stop signs, I'm not too surprised because the roads were horrible but I feel like people assume road conditions being better than they actually happen to be. Happens way too often considering how weird Calgary weather can be.
[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49145304]Ok, just humour an Australian whose never driven on ice before.
What do you have to change when driving? Slow down a lot?[/QUOTE]
Driving slow is a good idea. You cannot brake. I pump my brakes when having to slow down. Not sure if you do that with anti locks which are common now these days. Avoiding ice patches. Keeping distances from other vehicles. You cannot turn sharply, if at at all.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49147538]Driving slow is a good idea. You cannot brake. I pump my brakes when having to slow down. Not sure if you do that with anti locks which are common now these days. Avoiding ice patches. Keeping distances from other vehicles. You cannot turn sharply, if at at all.[/QUOTE]
you definitely do not pump your brakes with ABS, ever
abs basically pumps your brakes for you and does it about 1000x more efficiently
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49147538]Driving slow is a good idea. You cannot brake. I pump my brakes when having to slow down. Not sure if you do that with anti locks which are common now these days. Avoiding ice patches. Keeping distances from other vehicles. You cannot turn sharply, if at at all.[/QUOTE]
You just gotta keep in mind that you have to let your tires "bite" the snow and ice.
And it cannot "bite" if it spins too fast, so just slow down enough to go forward.
And really, for countries that know winter, I'm surprised there isn't a mandatory date where it's required to have winter tires. Although here it's in early December, right now it's not snowing, but still I find it way too late to START getting winter tires.
I always get them early, like late October/early November, to prevent this kind of situation to myself.
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49147538]Driving slow is a good idea. You cannot brake. I pump my brakes when having to slow down. Not sure if you do that with anti locks which are common now these days. Avoiding ice patches. Keeping distances from other vehicles. You cannot turn sharply, if at at all.[/QUOTE]
Slow steady pressure is how I was taught to break in icy conditions, infact we were specifically told to not pump our brakes. The key to winter driving is being aware of your surroundings, road condition, and being prepared to stop if there is an obstacle ahead of you. Nearly saw a guy rear end a fire engine because he didn't keep enough distance.
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