[QUOTE=krakadict;51084550]and you think people in that age bracket isn't fighting in wars right now? have you seen what's going on in africa? the middle east? even younger people are being forced to fight in wars so yeah 14-17 is an ideal age for the terrorists to twist their minds.[/QUOTE]
Shit guys child soldiers exist. It's totally cool for children and teenagers to fight in wars everywhere now!
"well they already fight" doesn't mean we classify them as "fighting age". Child soldiers are not fighting of their own volition, they are coerced and forced into fighting.
nice just repeat what i've just said
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51084436]
Sure, but it doesn't have to be. That's just how governments are doing it because they'd rather not actually try and tackle the problem which just lets it get worse. [/QUOTE]
They're cutting foreign aid to pay for the ones who came here, without cutting foreign aid we'd have to cut welfare programs or increase taxes to pay for refugees in Europe. It's simply the "best" way to get more money without decreasing the quality of life for citizens. I don't think it's a good measure, since refugees in Europe cost several times more to feed and house than refugees in Turkey/other ME-countries. The money spent on one refugee in Europe could help 5 or 10 in refugee camps.
If we want to fund local camps properly, governments will need to either increase taxes or cut spending in other areas, decreasing the quality of life back home. Of course, there is also the option of relocating refugees from European countries and placing them in refugee camps outside of Europe where they are cheaper to house and feed. That'd free up a lot of money, but I don't think it'd be a popular course of action, neither for the refugees themselves(who specifically came to Germany or Sweden, for example), or for a considerable part of the voter base in several European countries.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51084984]Shit guys child soldiers exist. It's totally cool for children and teenagers to fight in wars everywhere now!
"well they already fight" doesn't mean we classify them as "fighting age". Child soldiers are not fighting of their own volition, they are coerced and forced into fighting.[/QUOTE]
Surely not coerced? I thought your view was that all muslims are lovely and just misunderstood.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51085645]Surely not coerced? I thought your view was that all muslims are lovely and just misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
Do you really have to continue this game.
Yes, there are countries in the middle east and Africa with many moral and social issues. Many of those countries are majority muslim, but that is irrelevant, it is the situation that the country is in that causes a larger than normal portion of people to hold backward beliefs. That needs to be fixed, and what will not fix it is to expose those people to prejudice and expel any hopes of them integrating.
[QUOTE=da space core;51085684]Do you really have to continue this game.
Yes, there are countries in the middle east and Africa with many moral and social issues. Many of those countries are majority muslim, but that is irrelevant, it is the situation that the country is in that causes a larger than normal portion of people to hold backward beliefs. That needs to be fixed, and what will not fix it is to expose those people to prejudice and expel any hopes of them integrating.[/QUOTE]
Oh I see, my opinion here is a game and your opinion here is not?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51085645]Surely not coerced? I thought your view was that all muslims are lovely and just misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
Coercion isn't exclusive to Muslims, neither are child soldiers. Some of the biggest child soldier armies left in the world fight under the name of Christianity, such as the LRA. But sick attempt to strawman me dude, you totally got me there by making up claims I've never made.
What's your endgame with this bullshit exactly? You've already helped drag progress in this country back a good decade or three. Surely you should just be happily beating yourself off in a corner for all eternity about how "sovereign" we are now?
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[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51085722]Oh I see, my opinion here is a game and your opinion here is not?[/QUOTE]
Your opinions are largely trash and based on tabloid bullshit.
So yeah, your opinions might as well be taken about as seriously as a game.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51085742]Coercion isn't exclusive to Muslims, neither are child soldiers. Some of the biggest child soldier armies left in the world fight under the name of Christianity, such as the LRA. But sick attempt to strawman men dude, you totally got me there by making up claims I've never made.
What's your endgame with this bullshit exactly? You've already helped drag progress in this country back a good decade or three. Surely you should just be happily beating yourself off in a corner for all eternity about how "sovereign" we are now?
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Your opinions are largely trash and based on tabloid bullshit.
So yeah, your opinions might as well be taken about as seriously as a game.[/QUOTE]
Of course your opinion is correct but it's nice to see you have refrained from being insulting.
Allow me to be blunt.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51085645]Surely not coerced? [B]I thought your view was that all muslims are lovely and just misunderstood[/B].[/QUOTE]
This is called strawmaning. When you make these kinds of "arguments," people tend to not take you seriously.
[QUOTE=momoiro;51085538]They're cutting foreign aid to pay for the ones who came here, without cutting foreign aid we'd have to cut welfare programs or increase taxes to pay for refugees in Europe. It's simply the "best" way to get more money without decreasing the quality of life for citizens. I don't think it's a good measure, since refugees in Europe cost several times more to feed and house than refugees in Turkey/other ME-countries. The money spent on one refugee in Europe could help 5 or 10 in refugee camps.
If we want to fund local camps properly, governments will need to either increase taxes or cut spending in other areas, decreasing the quality of life back home. Of course, there is also the option of relocating refugees from European countries and placing them in refugee camps outside of Europe where they are cheaper to house and feed. That'd free up a lot of money, but I don't think it'd be a popular course of action, neither for the refugees themselves(who specifically came to Germany or Sweden, for example), or for a considerable part of the voter base in several European countries.[/QUOTE]
The issue exists and ignoring it doesn't make it go away. It would be better to fix the problem asap with early investment. That said kicking cans is the favourite hobby of politicians.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51085992]The issue exists and ignoring it doesn't make it go away. It would be better to fix the problem asap with early investment. That said kicking cans is the favourite hobby of politicians.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they need a refugee money tree.
[QUOTE=Egevened;51084142]I love how both sides of the argument are losing their footing because there's different statistics everywhere on the web[/QUOTE]
A big problem with the sides to this is that each one uses statistics that will fit their narrative and thus create statistics that allow them to push their narrative. And although said statistics may be "correct", when you take the scope back to look at the bigger picture you realize on how twisted it was.
I would prefer if both sides sat down and actually did statistics that were relatively unbiased. That way they can reach a definite conclusion (and compromise) instead of fucking about like idiots.
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