[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231746]The scaling back of availability of firearms combined with rigorous competency and mental health checks for people wanting them probably[/QUOTE]
I want to mention something. This area has some of the biggest gun laws in the country, including them scaling back guns, etc. Let's wait first to see how they got them. Cali has an AWB.
[QUOTE=OvB;49231805]What stream are you all watching, or is it still the scanner? I was cooking dinner.[/QUOTE]
Watching CNN, but you need cable for that, sacanner has someone hotmicing for the past 10minutes
[QUOTE=billibobc;49231798]"its not possible because...... i said so" hah won another internet argument![/QUOTE]
Again, I don't expect somebody that hasn't experienced a lick of American gun culture to have any grasp on what that phrase even means. Expecting to "scale back the availability of firearms" in a country where every grandma and their dog has a shotgun is a stupidly ambitious ordeal. I've lived in the southern United States my entire life, and I can guarantee you many of these people would riot over such acts. People wanted to (and still want to) impeach Obama over the idea that he [i]might[/i] ban their favorite shooters.
[QUOTE=catbarf;49231225]Most people in the US agree that gun control or at least criminal reform is necessary, we disagree on what method to implement. Gun control advocates have a very narrow playbook of 'ban assault weapons', 'universal background checks', 'no high capacity magazines', and 'ban everything like australia', and IMO those are all crap answers to a complex question.
Like I've said in other threads, I would happily give up all my guns if it meant the elimination of all gun crime in the US. But I won't accept giving up all my guns if it leads to minimal change in homicide rates, and then I get burgled or mugged a month later by someone who knows I'm unarmed. There are better ways.[/QUOTE]
I'm just gonna leave this little gem here cause nobody gave him the love and attention he deserved a few pages back.
People are scared of guns and have no idea how guns work, nor how the gun culture mentality itself functions. Yet they expect something to be done about it like it's as easy as opening a soda.
Channel 3 has an open mic they can't seem to shut down. Reminds me of the Boston bombings where they had an open mic, cops were relentlessly screaming about it and people on the internet went: "Who's open Mike?" :v:
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231746]The scaling back of availability if firearms[/QUOTE]
this is such an incredible non answer I'm baffled that such a non answer can exist
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;49231776]I'm quite sure you don't understand the scale of such a task considering you're not American, but let me give you a quick run-down on how that's not possible.
It's not possible.[/QUOTE]
See this is the kind of lack of inertia and apathy I was talking about. You have to try [I]something[/I] at least. I was just taking a stab at what that something could be.
Some roasted ass homie is being interviewed :V
[QUOTE=butre;49231827]this is such an incredible non answer I'm baffled that such a non answer can exist[/QUOTE]
???
[QUOTE=billibobc;49231798]"its not possible because...... i said so" hah won another internet argument![/QUOTE]
how do you propose to remove deadly weapons from the hands of people who see the removal of deadly weapons as tantamount to turning tyrant
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231812]Well I'm sure we can all agree there's no quick fix so decades is pretty good all things considered.[/QUOTE]
That's given proper enforcement, which I can guarantee you there won't be.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;49231822]Again, I don't expect somebody that hasn't experienced a lick of American gun culture to have any grasp on what that phrase even means. Expecting to "scale back the availability of firearms" in a country where every grandma and their dog has a shotgun is a stupidly ambitious ordeal. I've lived in the southern United States my entire life, and I can guarantee you many of these people would riot over such acts. People wanted to (and still want to) impeach Obama over the idea that he [i]might[/i] ban their favorite shooters.
I'm just gonna leave this little gem here cause nobody gave him the love and attention he deserved a few pages back.[/QUOTE]
My cousin in law is from Atlanta, ive heard horror stories of what hes experienced first hand. There is a huge problem in the us and the longer it goes without being addressed the hard it will be to change. I hope whoever your next leader is has to common sense to try and make change in your country
[QUOTE=OvB;49231805]What stream are you all watching, or is it still the scanner? I was cooking dinner.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://abc7.com/live/[/url]
Free online live stream.
Man that interviewee was pure gold.
"He was a white dude, he was a white dude? Yes, NO"
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/j2RIbI3.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49231502]Thats not funny or witty from any angle i can think of[/QUOTE]
I wasn't trying to be funny? I was stating fact.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49231846]That's given proper enforcement, which I can guarantee you there won't be.[/QUOTE]
What makes you say that?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231828]See this is the kind of lack of inertia and apathy I was talking about. You have to try [I]something[/I] at least. I was just taking a stab at what that something could be.[/QUOTE]
What you're asking for is impossible purely from the logistics of it.
lol. Gotta love all the Americans on here telling everyone else to that they are wrong and can't understand because they are not American yet proceed to do the same thing in threads about other nations and cultures. GG.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231828]See this is the kind of lack of inertia and apathy I was talking about. You have to try [I]something[/I] at least. I was just taking a stab at what that something could be.[/QUOTE]
That's not how policy works. Doing "something" can make things worse just as easily as it can make things better.
Interviews like that are a joke and the reason why livestreams add absolutely nothing to these situations.
What happened to vetting news before publishing it?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49231868]What you're asking for is impossible purely from the logistics of it.[/QUOTE]
How so?
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231864]What makes you say that?[/QUOTE]
Massive cultural resistance (no matter how much you might dislike it, it's still a critical factor), corruption, general incompetence...
How can we enforce the laws we [I]already[/I] have in place when nobody respects Rule of Law in the first place?
[QUOTE=sgman91;49231870]That's not how policy works. Doing "something" can make things worse just as easily as it can make things better.[/QUOTE]
Would you agree that when there is a problem something has to be done to alleviate it?
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49231869]lol. Gotta love all the Americans on here telling everyone else to that they are wrong and can't understand because they are not American yet proceed to do the same thing in threads about other nations and cultures. GG.[/QUOTE]
If you can back up any claims that individual posters in this thread have done that go right ahead. So far you're just pulling out a sad narrative that holds no meaning in a debate you're sitting back in. If you can't see that Americans are explaining they live in places where everybody worships firearms and would not hesitate to revolt on the idea they could get their guns taken away, you have no place to judge how we know our country works and assume that we're some arrogant kids that shit on other countries like some collective hivemind.
Oh boy, something really bad happened and I want to know more about the background on this.
Was it an terrorist attack?
Was it some kids tired of life?
No, instead, we have a gun debate!
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231875]How so?[/QUOTE]
"Scaling back" available firearms would be a massive and horribly costly long term campaign that most certainly wont have public support in quite a few areas. It would end up being prohibition MKIi
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49231887]Would you agree that when there is a problem something has to be done to alleviate it?[/QUOTE]
Something should be done if there's good reason that the something will cause an overall improvement. As it stands, there's simply no reason to believe that more gun control will lead to less gun deaths.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49231816]I want to mention something. This area has some of the biggest gun laws in the country, including them scaling back guns, etc. Let's wait first to see how they got them. Cali has an AWB.[/QUOTE]
The fact that California has the strictest gun regulations is meaningless if the next state over has looser gun laws. Gun regulations aren't a failure because perpetrators have a car.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49231885]Massive cultural resistance (no matter how much you might dislike it, it's still a critical factor), corruption, general incompetence...
How can we enforce the laws we [I]already[/I] have in place when nobody respects Rule of Law in the first place?[/QUOTE]
The IRS seems pretty on the ball when it comes to enforcing income taxes. I fail to see how the government is unable to enforce laws unless it sabotages itself enforcing those laws through apathy etc.
As for cultural issues, yeah. I suppose you could introduce campaigns to change the opinions of Americans but it would take a while. Might be worth it though
[QUOTE=DMGaina;49231901]Oh boy, something really bad happened and I want to know more about the background on this.
Was it an terrorist attack?
Was it some kids tired of life?
No, instead, we have a gun debate![/QUOTE]
we have little information, we don't even have a confirmed number of attackers
[QUOTE=DMGaina;49231901]Oh boy, something really bad happened and I want to know more about the background on this.
Was it an terrorist attack?
Was it some kids tired of life?
No, instead, we have a gun debate![/QUOTE]
I reckon it's cartel related, these guys were packing some serious hardware and this is California, the cartel has some serious presence there. Just my guess though, we don't have too much to go on right now.
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