Active Shooter in California, 20 Victims So Far - Polidicks

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232051]If you (somehow) disarm 250ish million people of 300 million guns, criminals will still keep their guns that the FFL process has no knowledge of. They will use that to make money and etc etc. It's pretty similar. Not to mention the people (including myself) that will revolt when our way of defending our homes is ripped away. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] I would fight back as will most sane gun owners. Maybe not with violence but definitely with legal action. Criminals will just go lol have fun with that[/QUOTE] What do you mean by "fight back"? Because if you're implying you'd shoot law enforcement if they tried to take your guns, YOU AREN'T SANE.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49232024]The Department of Justice concluded after the sunset of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban (which instituted California-style bans [i]nationwide[/i]) that it had [i]at best[/i] a negligible effect and may have actually contributed to arms and drug trafficking in the same way Prohibition did. Yet already people are calling for assault weapon bans as if that will fix the current situation. There's a saying about those who don't learn from history. Again, you can have my guns if you can fix the problem. This won't.[/QUOTE] Thing is that the AWB was fucking retarded and didn't help for jack shit. It was once again, just a feel good measure, even I as a pro-control supporter know this. Not to mention the fact that the AWB wasn't even in place for long enough for it to really work. If we were to actually be serious about making gun laws then we'd have to put it in for a longer period because you're not going to get rid of a lot of weapons in ten years by natural degradation.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49232065]What do you mean by "fight back"? Because if you're implying you'd shoot law enforcement if they tried to take your guns, YOU AREN'T SANE.[/QUOTE] Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. So, throw the book at them.

[QUOTE=Da Big Man;49232057]Wait, how is it loony to suggest taking guns out of the hands of extremists already dug into gun culture wouldn't result in them getting weapons illegally? It happens in literally every other country with heavy gun control and individuals willing to get their hands on them. Weapons are built [i]from scratch[/i] to satisfy the needs of people that want their hands on them. Australia, Chechnya, China, Mexico, Russia, you see improvised weapons in the hands of thugs and the unruly. Massive police caches of cheaply chopped Stens and shit. It's a very real possibility that's quite common.[/QUOTE] I was talking about him saying he'd revolt against the government if they took his guns

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49232049]That stuff is silly as hell, I know. There are ways to restrict firearms which don't have to involve doing stuff like that. Whether it is effective or not is up to debate but people really shouldn't dismiss it out of hand due to 'it's too hard' etc. The US could move mountain ranges if it wanted to. 'It's too hard' shouldn't really be in the vocabulary of Americans at all[/QUOTE] Fact of the matter is, we need to compromise on it, and compromise has become a dirty word in politics. We need a solution that effectively balances public safety with 2nd Amendment rights.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232075]Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. So, throw the book at them.[/QUOTE] Seek professional help. The things you're saying are genuinely detached from reality.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49232077]I was talking about him saying he'd revolt against the government if they toom his guns[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, that's pretty loony.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232075]Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. So, throw the book at them.[/QUOTE] Nope. Pretty sure laws are still laws.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49232077]I was talking about him saying he'd revolt against the government if they toom his guns[/QUOTE] Why is it the government's business what guns I own, when I have nothing to do with this shit? I use them for shooting, since I come from a military background, and for home defense. Why does that make it okay to remove them from my possession? Because crazy people exist? [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=valkery;49232093]Nope. Pretty sure laws are still laws.[/QUOTE] 2a says "shall not infringe"

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232075]Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. So, throw the book at them.[/QUOTE] You're insane, absolutely unconscious of what you are saying. You'd revolt and die because someone is taking your weapons but with all the bad shit that happens every single day, you sit still on your computer chair.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49232065]What do you mean by "fight back"? Because if you're implying you'd shoot law enforcement if they tried to take your guns, YOU AREN'T SANE.[/QUOTE] No he's outright saying he'd join a revolution

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232095]Why is it the government's business what guns I own, when I have nothing to do with this shit? I use them for shooting, since I come from a military background, and for home defense. Why does that make it okay to remove them from my possession? Because crazy people exist? [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] 2a says "shall not infringe"[/QUOTE] Why does the removal of a deadly weapon make you think that gives you consent to murder people?

Shut the fuck up about this gun debate, its turning into a shitpost storm again, like always, why even fucking debate this on FP when its always the same, no one will move from what they believe, and bitching at each other does nothing.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49232103]You're insane, absolutely unconscious of what you are saying. You'd revolt and die because someone is taking your weapons but with all the bad shit that happens every single day, you sit still on your computer chair.[/QUOTE] Guns save lives dude. CNN won't tell you that. Google "CCW saves lives" or something and you'll see that at least in the US, guns aren't an evil thing.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232095]Why is it the government's business what guns I own, when I have nothing to do with this shit? I use them for shooting, since I come from a military background, and for home defense. Why does that make it okay to remove them from my possession? Because crazy people exist? [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] 2a says "shall not infringe"[/QUOTE] Just because you don't agree, or there is a contradictory body of litigation, that doesn't negate the implementation of current laws.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232095]Why is it the government's business what guns I own, when I have nothing to do with this shit? I use them for shooting, since I come from a military background, and for home defense. Why does that make it okay to remove them from my possession? Because crazy people exist?[/QUOTE] Maybe it's not you that's the problem. Can you give me one good reason my diagnosed psychotic friend who has on many occasions expressed his lack of understanding for why somebody would kill themselves "without trying to take as many people with them as possible" and has been reported to the police for implying his desire to shoot up schools on multiple occasions should be able to walk into any store in America and buy a gun? Although honestly you might be the problem too because you're sounding alot like him with the shit you're posting.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49232112]Why does the removal of a deadly weapon make you think that gives you consent to murder people?[/QUOTE] Because we see this shit at least once a week in the US. Baltimore sees it daily (where I live). Why would I disarm myself when I live in a shit hole?

agentfazexx, you seem to have a really limited respect of the law. If the government passes an unconstitutional law it's still the law until it's repealed. To get it repealed, you need to go to court and get a ruling in your favour. But in the meantime you'd have to follow the law and, for example, surrender your guns. Once you won in court you'd get your guns back and then you could also sue for damages. But if you shot the people coming to take your guns you'd have to coordinate all of this from inside a prison cell because murder is still murder, regardless of what unconstitutional laws are on the books.

Imagine, if you will, a loose militia of Americans standing proud with their AR-15s, protecting their firearms from confiscation from a tyrannical government. Then imagine a fine pink mist in the same spot after a laser guided bomb sailed gracefully into the ground.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49232121]Maybe it's not you that's the problem. Can you give me one good reason my diagnosed psychotic friend who has on many occasions expressed his lack of understanding for why somebody would kill themselves "without trying to take as many people with them as possible" and has been reported to the police for implying his desire to shoot up schools on multiple occasions should be able to walk into any store in America and buy a gun? Although honestly you might be the problem too because you're sounding alot like him with the shit you're posting.[/QUOTE] I'll say it for the 99th time: FFL asks for mental health history, law says it does not have to be provided.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232117]Guns save lives dude. CNN won't tell you that. Google "CCW saves lives" or something and you'll see that at least in the US, guns aren't an evil thing.[/QUOTE] how are you saving lives by killing people

[QUOTE=Zeke129;49232133]agentfazexx, you seem to have a really limited respect of the law. If the government passes an unconstitutional law it's still the law until it's repealed. To get it repealed, you need to go to court and get a ruling in your favour. But in the meantime you'd have to follow the law and, for example, surrender your guns. Once you won in court you'd get your guns back and then you could also sue for damages. But if you shot the people coming to take your guns you'd have to coordinate all of this from inside a prison cell because murder is still murder, regardless of what unconstitutional laws are on the books.[/QUOTE] After Katrina, when they went door to door demanding to take guns (including historical ones, etc) owners couldn't get them back without serial numbers. Police didn't make record of what gun was connected to whom. Wanna try again?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232136]I'll say it for the 99th time: FFL asks for mental health history, law says it does not have to be provided.[/QUOTE] Why do you think that's acceptable?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232075]Unconstitutional laws aren't laws. So, throw the book at them.[/QUOTE] Except they aren't un-fucking-constitutional unless the Supreme Court rules it as so.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232051]If you (somehow) disarm 250ish million people of 300 million guns, criminals will still keep their guns that the FFL process has no knowledge of. They will use that to make money and etc etc. It's pretty similar. Not to mention the people (including myself) that will revolt when our way of defending our homes is ripped away. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] I would fight back as will most sane gun owners. Criminals will just go lol have fun with that[/QUOTE] A fight between the US government/army vs. its citizens would end up like Syria: A complete fucking mess for both sides.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232095]Why is it the government's business what guns I own, when I have nothing to do with this shit? I use them for shooting, since I come from a military background, and for home defense. Why does that make it okay to remove them from my possession? Because crazy people exist[/QUOTE] Confiscation of firearms is shitty but it most certainly does not justify armed rebellion lmao.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49232140]how are you saving lives by killing people[/QUOTE] Oregon mall shooter killed himself after a CCW holder pulled a gun on him. No one was shot by him. [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;49232149]Except they aren't un-fucking-constitutional unless the Supreme Court rules it as so.[/QUOTE] Uh, "shall not infringe" is pretty specific.

Also can we cut the "constitution is a holy document" bullshit? The constitution also said Black people were 3/5ths of a person. The country it was written in was a backwards country full of savages, no reason we can't change it.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49232145]After Katrina, when they went door to door demanding to take guns (including historical ones, etc) owners couldn't get them back without serial numbers. Police didn't make record of what gun was connected to whom. Wanna try again?[/QUOTE] Who the fuck says that will happen again?

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49232166]Who the fuck says that will happen again?[/QUOTE] It wasn't long ago that it happened, don't rule it out.