police setting up perimeter around north and south of discount mall, sending units inside
this is about the beard and camoshorts guy with the headset
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49230194]The media feeding frenzy is at full swing. At this point all we can do is standby for the hundreds of unconfirmed reports to be weeded out. Everybody and their grandma is reporting every unsubstantiated rumor that crosses their desks right now. There's simply no telling what will turn out to be true or not.[/QUOTE]
If that's in reference to my post, it was on the police scanner. Not sure how credible it was.
Barricades being set up at mall across from the School
[QUOTE=sgman91;49230025]
Also, can we please not do the gun thing right now? Control yourself people.[/QUOTE]
Why not? These keep happening and something should be done about it?
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;49230193]Semiautomatic weapons do not.[/QUOTE]
Precisely what about semiautomatic weapons do you think makes that entire category of firearms (which dates back over a century) intolerable? Should my century old Mauser C96 be incinerated after all these years of... hurting nobody?
Would you advocate banning classic and sports cars because they are less safe and only serve hobby purposes? I don't understand.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49230223]Why not? These keep happening and something should be done about it?[/QUOTE]
Im all for that but only if we know that something could've been done about it.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49230173]I'd really like to see you or Lambeth propose actual measures since all I've ever seen either of you do is shitpost and mock gun owners while claiming you aren't pro-ban. I've suggested some reformative efforts in other threads that could work to reduce the amount of guns in circulation among criminals over time without severely affecting lawful gun owners - which are usually ignored outright by antis.
What would you do if you could write a bill guaranteed to pass Congress?[/QUOTE]
I don't know honestly, I'm far from a politician.
Ideally it would be possible to gather lawful gunowners (like you I guess) and those who wish for these mass shootings to stop(a lot of people including gun owners) and hammer a bill out that works for everyone. There has to be a middle ground to be found somewhere, even if the NRA pretends there is not.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49230194]The media feeding frenzy is at full swing. At this point all we can do is standby for the hundreds of unconfirmed reports to be weeded out. Everybody and their grandma is reporting every unsubstantiated rumor that crosses their desks right now. There's simply no telling what will turn out to be true or not.[/QUOTE]
media feeding frenzy reaching critical mass as media encroaches on crime scene, being pushed back by police
From -what it sounds like so far- this is a prett coordinated attack on random civilians. My thoughts to all those out there
[QUOTE]Police are moving media back. Media are encroaching on the crime scene and are being forced back by police.[/QUOTE]
fucking hate how scummy the media can be at times
Like, we're getting reports of organized simultaneous attacks at two hospitals, a golf course, two shopping centers, and an elementary school so far. This would be one of the biggest and most well organized shooting sprees in US history. If even half of it turned out to be true, fucking monumental. Bad info spreads like wildfire during this shit, so take any reports you hear with a grain of salt until confirmed by police.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;49230235]Im all for that but only if we know that something could've been done about it.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but I'd feel pretty depressed living in a country where mass shootings are considered a regular, unavoidable occurrence.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;49230193]The chance of getting hit by a falling tree is a fact of life. The chance of getting murdered from a great distance and with great ease by any private citizen who desires to do so thanks to the empowerment of an industry which serves no other express purpose than to enable them to quickly and easily kill their fellow human beings should not be a fact of life, IMHO. Cars, kitchen knives, and air conditioning units hanging out of windows all have a place in a functional society. Semiautomatic weapons do not.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately a great number of people disagree with you. You may see them as unwitting pawns of the gun lobby but that doesn't take away from their ability to vote.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49230242]Like, we're getting reports of organized simultaneous attacks at two hospitals, a golf course, two shopping centers, and an elementary school so far. This would be one of the biggest and most well organized shooting sprees in US history. If even half of it turned out to be true, fucking monumental. Bad info spreads like wildfire during this shit, so take any reports you hear with a grain of salt until confirmed by police.[/QUOTE]
the attack was not at the elementary school, but at the discount mall across the street
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49230240]fucking hate how scummy the media can be at times[/QUOTE]
Any time I see this start happening it makes me incredibly nervous
It's gotta be easy for tensions to flare on either side in scenarios like this, just give people some space and ask questions thereafter
[QUOTE=Lambeth;49230236]I don't know, honestly, I'm far from a politician.
Ideally it would be possible to gather lawful gunowners (like you I guess) and those who wish for these mass shootings to stop(a lot of people including gun owners) and hammer a bill out that works for everyone. There has to be a middle ground to be found somewhere, even if the NRA pretends there is not.[/QUOTE]
One of the biggest issues lies with the government itself at the moment. Any retail gun sales (so, any new-production firearm entering circulation), require a background check with the FBI. But the FBI is not required to respond to these, and if it doesn't, the sale goes through after three days of waiting. Several recent shooters got theirs this way when they would otherwise have been flagged and prevented from purchasing. Requiring the FBI to respond to background checks would be a good step.
To add to this, I think you should be able to run background checks through FFLs for private transfers, and if you don't, you're held as an accomplice if the weapon you sold privately is then used in a crime.
What are your thoughts on those measures?
it may have been the suspect running away
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49230242]Like, we're getting reports of organized simultaneous attacks at two hospitals, a golf course, two shopping centers, and an elementary school so far. This would be one of the biggest and most well organized shooting sprees in US history. If even half of it turned out to be true, fucking monumental. Bad info spreads like wildfire during this shit, so take any reports you hear with a grain of salt until confirmed by police.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty much just listening to the scanner. Social media and news is going to be questionable this early.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49230250]I don't know about you but I'd feel pretty depressed living in a country where mass shootings are considered a regular, unavoidable occurrence.[/QUOTE]
I am depressed about that lol. I'm sick and fucking tired of the standard that we have of the weekly mass shooting that we've had going on as of late. But again, based on currently available info, this does not seem like one of those spontaneous attacks. This seems more coordinated and organized and if that's so, it could've happened anywhere, including GB. I dont think I need to remind you of Paris.
Oh god i hope the attacks dont spread to LA county
This is hitting way too close to home...
Mongoids are already screaming 'FAKE'.
[video=youtube;u8VYnQyJZmY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VYnQyJZmY[/video]
Fuckin' retards I swear, couldn't they have waited till' the events are over?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49230242]Like, we're getting reports of organized simultaneous attacks at two hospitals, a golf course, two shopping centers, and an elementary school so far. This would be one of the biggest and most well organized shooting sprees in US history. If even half of it turned out to be true, fucking monumental. Bad info spreads like wildfire during this shit, so take any reports you hear with a grain of salt until confirmed by police.[/QUOTE]
The golf course was ruled out early on I think. The shopping centers and the Patton State Hospital are all with a few miles of each other so it seems like the shooters are definitely somewhere in that area now, in which case they've moved north from their starting point
This is just going to keep on happening. Not because of guns, because of social collapse.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;49230236]I don't know honestly, I'm far from a politician.
Ideally it would be possible to gather lawful gunowners (like you I guess) and those who wish for these mass shootings to stop(a lot of people including gun owners) and hammer a bill out that works for everyone. There has to be a middle ground to be found somewhere, even if the NRA pretends there is not.[/QUOTE]
Politicians aren't professionals. You'd need criminologists.
Criminologists would then laugh at you for making a big fuss over statistically insignificant things and lament the ridiculous amount of lives we ruin already through mass incarceration.
Also can we fucking stop with the gun debate? People are fucking dying AT THIS VERY MOMENT and you guys are using it to push your shitty agendas.
[QUOTE=0x0000000C;49230277]Mongoids are already screaming 'FAKE'.
[video=youtube;u8VYnQyJZmY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VYnQyJZmY[/video]
Fuckin' retards I swear, couldn't they have waited till' the events are over?[/QUOTE]
I was present at the last meeting of the Jewish Conspiracy, we did not plan this.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49230288]Politicians aren't professionals. You'd need criminologists.
Criminologists would then laugh at you for making a big fuss over statistically insignificant things and lament the ridiculous amount of lives we ruin already through mass incarceration.[/QUOTE]
I would then hire less rude criminologists.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49230259]One of the biggest issues lies with the government itself at the moment. Any retail gun sales (so, any new-production firearm entering circulation), require a background check with the FBI. But the FBI is not required to respond to these, and if it doesn't, the sale goes through after three days of waiting. Several recent shooters got theirs this way when they would otherwise have been flagged and prevented from purchasing. Requiring the FBI to respond to background checks would be a good step.
To add to this, I think you should be able to run background checks through FFLs for private transfers, and if you don't, you're held as an accomplice if the weapon you sold privately is then used in a crime.
What are your thoughts on those measures?[/QUOTE]
Those sound like good measures. Gold star for you. edit: being unironic here, I know very little about guns and haven't really heard of what you're suggesting. But whatever stops the senseless killing would be good.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;49230298]Also can we fucking stop with the gun debate? People are fucking dying AT THIS VERY MOMENT and your using it to push your shitty agenda.[/QUOTE]
It's just discussion regarding the topic at hand. For once it's pretty calm. There's not much else to discuss, if you really want a live feed of just information on the occurrences go watch a live feed.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49230317]It's just discussion regarding the topic at hand. For once it's pretty calm.[/QUOTE]
waiting until we have more information lets us have a more informed discussion
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49230259]One of the biggest issues lies with the government itself at the moment. Any retail gun sales (so, any new-production firearm entering circulation), require a background check with the FBI. But the FBI is not required to respond to these, and if it doesn't, the sale goes through after three days of waiting. Several recent shooters got theirs this way when they would otherwise have been flagged and prevented from purchasing. Requiring the FBI to respond to background checks would be a good step.
To add to this, I think you should be able to run background checks through FFLs for private transfers, and if you don't, you're held as an accomplice if the weapon you sold privately is then used in a crime.
What are your thoughts on those measures?[/QUOTE]
IIRC the background check measure was a part of that bill that didn't make it after Newtown, but that one only required checks when buying mote than one firearm per transaction. It died and Democrats had no interest reviving it so good luck with that one
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