Man fined for texting and driving while in a Tim Hortons drive-thru - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;49225412]Edited my post above, but this was in the article: I'm just saying - if the cop was behind him in the line (or in front of him), I doubt he would have written him a ticket for using his phone if he wasn't holding up the line; [B]i.e[/B] driving distracted[/QUOTE] Or maybe he just saw him on the phone through his rear window? Doubt all you want, but understand that it's unfounded.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49225429]Or maybe he just saw him on the phone through his rear window? Doubt all you want, but understand that it's unfounded.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how you hold your phone when you text, but typically I do not hold it at eye-level, visible from the front window. I feel that would be a rather uncomfortable way to text. It is unfounded. I do understand that. It's pure speculation. This is coming from somebody that works at Tim Hortons and is very familiar with how the drive thru operates, though.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49224910]Gotta love how the police need to justify their funding and so pull crap like this. The police pretty much just set up traps and farm tickets. "Oh, you missed the sign behind that tree", etc[/QUOTE] yea how dare the police do their jobs as they're paid to do. [editline]1st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49225350]Texting while driving is incredibly dangerous and deserves a ticket. Texting while waiting in a queue at the drive through for your morning cup of coffee? Not so much. As a general rule of thumb, if an officer is able to walk up and tap your window to get your attention, you're not really "driving," are you?[/QUOTE] Varies country/country, state/state. Vehicle running and you in the drivers seat could count as driving. Vehicle in drive could could as driving. Vehicle in motion could count as driving. Theres a lot of different ways its defined. So yea, even if your vehicle is approachable, you can still be driving.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49225193]Gotta enforce laws to a T, am I right? If this man wasn't given the ticket, who knows what chaos would have ensued? All we can hope is that the man was working a minimum wage job, because non-income-based fines are fair. (~35 hours worth of work on Nevada's minimum wage.) Police officers like this deserve to lose their job for being gigantic assholes. Put someone else in that spot, please.[/QUOTE] I don't think the officer should lose his job, but I do think there shouldn't be ticket quotas, the fine shouldn't be nearly that large, and the law should be changed so that you don't get fined for "distracted driving" while you're stopped.

[QUOTE=Sableye;49225006]that cop can't do that, that is private property, and as such he cannot write a ticket for operating a vehicle on it. its the same reason why you can't get a ticket for fender benders in a parking lot maybe its different in canada[/QUOTE] (you can get a ticket for this in the US)

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;49225434]I'm not sure how you hold your phone when you text, but typically I do not hold it at eye-level, visible from the front window. I feel that would be a rather uncomfortable way to text. It is unfounded. I do understand that. It's pure speculation. This is coming from somebody that works at Tim Hortons and is very familiar with how the drive thru operates, though.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's attached to the dash because he uses it as GPS like I do? Or maybe the cop saw him on the phone through the driver's side window because of a bend in the path? Or maybe he is left handed and had his arm resting on the window ledge? Literally countless possible explanations for it, just feels silly to argue about them. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Dude was in no way endangering anybody. At most he was mildly inconveniencing the people in line behind him who had to wait a few seconds longer for him to realize the line had moved up. In any case, giving him a ticket for that is straight goofy, especially one to the tune of almost three hundred dollars. That's half a paycheck for anybody making around minimum wage. Absurd.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49225479]Maybe it's attached to the dash because he uses it as GPS like I do? Or maybe the cop saw him on the phone through the driver's side window because of a bend in the path? Or maybe he is left handed and had his arm resting on the window ledge? Literally countless possible explanations for it, just feels silly to argue about them. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Dude was in no way endangering anybody. At most he was mildly inconveniencing the people in line behind him who had to wait a few seconds longer for him to realize the line had moved up. In any case, giving him a ticket for that is straight goofy, especially one to the tune of almost three hundred dollars. That's half a paycheck for anybody making around minimum wage. Absurd.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree that he shouldn't have to pay that amount. He shouldn't have even gotten a ticket. I was just wanting to make people aware of the unknown consequences to others when you text and hold up the line >:P It is too common

Because the police officer was ready to dive through his window for, "oh I just picked it up to check and answer 1 text". Fucking bullshit. Sure in this case you're being a dick, and not endangering lives like usual but you're still being a dick. Just wait the 30 seconds and pull into a space afterwards rather than wasting the time of others sitting in the drive thru texting.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49225193]Police officers like this deserve to lose their job for being gigantic assholes. Put someone else in that spot, please.[/QUOTE] A cop should lose their job for doing their job? The fuck is your logic? The law is the law. You can't text and operate a vehicle. I highly doubt the police officers do this just to meet their quota, AFAIK most departments operating in toronto don't have quotas for traffic tickets - And the article doesn't mention anything about cop's department. Hell, the article hardly mentions any details about the story. Don't know why people are making all these assumptions pretending to know what happened. Either way, get mad all you want, the police officer didn't do anything wrong.

It takes like 25 seconds to answer a text, i dunno if the officer could even notice that quickly. I doubt it was honestly just one text.

I'm absolutely all for that man losing his job. The police officer is a [url=http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/episode-72/]human robot[/url] - a real Nuremberg defense dickhead. He doesn't have the capacity to make judgement for himself. There are other solutions he could have taken and he doesn't have to follow rules to the absolute T. I know that police officer probably doesn't because police officers break the law all the time. He's exactly what police shouldn't be.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49225193]Gotta enforce laws to a T, am I right? If this man wasn't given the ticket, who knows what chaos would have ensued? All we can hope is that the man was working a minimum wage job, because non-income-based fines are fair. (~35 hours worth of work on Nevada's minimum wage.) Police officers like this deserve to lose their job for being gigantic assholes. Put someone else in that spot, please.[/QUOTE] Instead of using a random US state can you actually use our minimum wage of 11.20 an hour. The ticket is worth roughly 25 hours of work. And no, cops don't deserve to lose their job for enforcing the law.

[QUOTE=zakedodead;49224913]Isn't the drivethrough on private (tim hortons in this case) property not a street? How do street laws apply?[/QUOTE] I think the law applies on publicly available roads, rather than gov' owned roads. Still ridicoulus, seeing as he was barely moving.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49224910]Gotta love how the police need to justify their funding and so pull crap like this. The police pretty much just set up traps and farm tickets. "Oh, you missed the sign behind that tree", etc[/QUOTE] considering that they're legally required to have their hazard lights on when they 'farm tickets' I really don't think you realize how easy they are to spot and how much cops don't give a flying fuck about pretty much anything so long as you aren't endangering others or yourself while behind the wheel. Edit: there goes automerge [editline]2nd December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tools;49226269]I think the law applies on publicly available roads, rather than gov' owned roads. Still ridicoulus, seeing as he was barely moving.[/QUOTE] It applies on private and public property. It also isn't ridiculous seeing as I've experienced dickheada that slow down drive troughs a lot by doing this.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;49226260]Instead of using a random US state can you actually use our minimum wage of 11.20 an hour. The ticket is worth roughly 25 hours of work. And no, cops don't deserve to lose their job for enforcing the law.[/QUOTE] I made an error, but whatever. Let's say the guy works 8 hour work days - that means he's going to work over three days to make up for this ticket that didn't post a threat to the sanctity of society. That's garbage.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49226311]I made an error, but whatever. Let's say the guy works 8 hour work days - that means he's going to work over three days to make up for this ticket that didn't post a threat to the sanctity of society. That's garbage.[/QUOTE] He can still go to court to dispute it, the ticket may also be dropped as well as fines being reduced. What a cop may end up doing doesn't necessarily mean he has zero escape from it.

And I bet a couple folks were breaking the speed limit as they drove past while this guy was receiving a ticket. It's probably horseshit and most folks know it. I got pulled over on the freeway for a BeanyBaby hanging from the tow hook on my car and the State Trooper said he was "Only concerned for the safety of drivers". Are you fucking JOKING right now?!?! Where the hell is he when the Volvo that I see at least once a week on my commute is doing 80mph and zigzagging through traffic without a damn signal light? Where is he for idiots doing 75 in a 55mph construction zone? I'm minding my business going the speed limit and he nabs me and wastes 20 minutes of my day (late to work because of it to boot) for something that has nothing to do with keeping the roads safe. Holy shit. Ranted a bit there. In the end, cops can give you tickets for whatever they damn well please, whether it's legitimate or not, but then they try to cover it up with 'keeping people safe' while they could be getting truly unsafe individuals.. but that's a lot of work. So they don't. Hats off to the ones who actually do their job and aren't robopricks, though. Seriously. We need more like them (around here that happens to be the Sheriffs. City and State can kiss off, but the Sheriffs are too busy to waste time with this trivial shit).

[QUOTE=clutch2;49226418]Where the hell is he when the Volvo that I see at least once a week on my commute is doing 80mph and zigzagging through traffic without a damn signal light? Where is he for idiots doing 75 in a 55mph construction zone? I'm minding my business going the speed limit and he nabs me and wastes 20 minutes of my day (late to work because of it to boot) for something that has nothing to do with keeping the roads safe.[/QUOTE] Well, believe it or not the Police can't be everywhere at once. Just because there are people doing worse things somewhere doesn't somehow mean he shouldn't disregard other's. I'm sure if you followed him around he'd pull over plenty of speeders and what not as well. And in the end, no, they can't give you illegitimate willy-nilly. That's why we have review boards and courts. Yes a few may, but if everyone who actually got an 'illegitimate' ticket contested the damn things the Police would buckle down on cops who do.

Perhaps the whole legal system needs to get on board with that, too. My friend received a "disorderly conduct with a motor vehicle" ticket when a local resident called him in for doing a brake-stand in a gravel lot with his all-time-AWD Jeep. Said he had it on video and everything. He obviously fought it. In the courtroom the 'evidence' presented was a photo of his Jeep driving on the roadway after exiting the parking lot. The judged ruled him guilty and the fine stood. I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor after that. So how am I protected against someone who dislikes me doing the same thing? It's truly a scary world. Our courtrooms have become a big contest between lawyers, an arena for them to do battle. The truth isn't what's being put on trial, but instead whom can interpret and twist the evidence to suit their desired outcome the best. A lawyer could watch someone be murdered, then turn right around the defend that same person in a trial if the price were right. It sickens me what it's become.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49225841]I'm absolutely all for that man losing his job. The police officer is a [url=http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/episode-72/]human robot[/url] - a real Nuremberg defense dickhead. He doesn't have the capacity to make judgement for himself. There are other solutions he could have taken and he doesn't have to follow rules to the absolute T. I know that police officer probably doesn't because police officers break the law all the time. He's exactly what police shouldn't be.[/QUOTE] Im having a hard time identifying is this post is serious or not

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49227059]Im having a hard time identifying is this post is serious or not[/QUOTE] Its wauterboi. He acts like every cop in the world kicked his dog and pissed in his coffee

in the US you can't do this for the same reason they can't pull you over for talking on your cellphone in your car in your driveway.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49227059]Im having a hard time identifying is this post is serious or not[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong about it. Cops, like soldiers, are bodies. They are not your fellow citizens, they are not your neighbors (while in uniform), and they will make that clear to you. They're agents of the state, an elite class of citizen with special privileges and powers over the rest of civil society while being afforded all the rights you and I have (which is why they can impersonate a civilian and do civilian things in order to facilitate a bust). They exist first and foremost not to protect you, but to enforce the state's authority over the land it claims and keep large populations in check. There is as much a fundamental antagonism between the people and the police as there is a working relationship. Furthermore, American police, anyway, over the decades have gotten much worse, owing to things like the war on drugs and lawsuits (which, before it's said, just makes things work as they were written). In new jersey, a cop is probably part of the state police and has no attachment to your community, the court is in his pocket, the state has unilaterally given them more powers such as to freely search your car (which they could de facto do before anyway), and they are incentivized to bust some kid smoking pot rather than an actual criminal (which doesn't help our prison overpopulation issues). But yes, the officer should lose his job as a start, the last thing we need is an opportunist that sees citizens as something to 'farm' for money (in contrast, no firefighter or EMT can offer their services in this respect), fueling antagonism between people and state. This is a clear cut example of exploitation, an officer abusing the letter of the law in order to squeeze money out of a regular citizen for himself and his employer, completely contrary to the spirit of the law. Our state and law system incentivizes such contradictions, just like it incentivizes 'drug busts' of kids with gram amounts factoring in things like stems and seeds because you get more money and recognition that way. It signals the system is broken, and the people defending this as 'he's doing his job' unironically sabotage their own argument.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49227084]You know, it's easy to say garbage like that without knowing the specifics of the situation but [I]losing his job[/I]? Over writing one ticket? Maybe you should rethink your stance on this, because that's even more ridiculous than the officer writing that ticket in the first place[/QUOTE] If his ticket wasn't worth $200, I'd be apathetic. But it isn't, and there's no danger he was really presenting to others by texting in a drive-thru with his foot on the brake. What is a justifiable reason to give him a ticket while in the drive-thru, and with the ridiculously low risk of actually causing harm, why wouldn't a man-to-man warning have sufficed? He's a human robot. People who follow rules without [I]any[/I] sane judgement of how to apply those rules are shitty people. I'm not literally suggesting that this one person should lose his job, but I am trying to emphasize that he's not really providing his community anything by ticketing this dude.

are people actually justifying ticketing people who are, texting while they are [B]NOT MOVING AT ALL WHILE IN LINE[/B] because I'm pretty sure you aren't going to crash your car when your car turns into a semi while you're pretty much [U]parked[/U] [QUOTE=wauterboi;49225841]I'm absolutely all for that man losing his job. The police officer is a [url=http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/episode-72/]human robot[/url] - a real Nuremberg defense dickhead. He doesn't have the capacity to make judgement for himself. There are other solutions he could have taken and he doesn't have to follow rules to the absolute T. I know that police officer probably doesn't because police officers break the law all the time. He's exactly what police shouldn't be.[/QUOTE] this post is yawmwen levels of anti-cop, which is really fucking hard to achieve I didn't think you were this [del]passionate[/del] cynical about something.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49228511]are people actually justifying ticketing people who are, texting while they are [B]NOT MOVING AT ALL WHILE IN LINE[/B] because I'm pretty sure you aren't going to crash your car when your car turns into a semi while you're pretty much [U]parked[/U][/QUOTE] Well good thing the law isnt "No texting while moving"

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49228526]Well good thing the law isnt "No texting while moving"[/QUOTE] So what is he going to do, physically get outside of his car after going out of his way to park it? I pull over to the side of the street for phone calls and park, should I get a ticket even though it's not possible for my car to be a danger?? I mean, I'm in a car, using the phone after all. There's a huge difference while driving down a road where you can actually kill someone or holding up a stop when you can actually hold up massive amounts of traffic, and confuse people turning, which can in turn cause an accident. if he takes to long in line, that's what a horn is for.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49228544]So what is he going to do, physically get outside of his car after going out of his way to park it? I pull over to the side of the street for phone calls and park, should I get a ticket even though it's not possible for my car to be a danger?? I mean, I'm in a car, using the phone after all. There's a huge difference while driving down a road where you can actually kill someone or holding up a stop when you can actually hold up massive amounts of traffic. if he takes to long in line, that's what a horn is for.[/QUOTE] [quote]Provincial laws prohibit drivers from using hand-held cell phones, texting or emailing while behind the wheel. It applies to any road, highway or thoroughfare, whether publicly or privately owned.[/quote] [quote]"I know ignorance (of the law) is not an excuse, but it was just kind of weird." ..."I was on my phone. I'm not going to lie." [/quote] Now while giving a ticket to someone in a drive-thru is douchey, its not illegal. Especially when the person admits to knowingly and willfully breaking the law. If you think this is stupid, wait until you get a ticket for stopping in the crosswalk at an intersection.

[QUOTE=clutch2;49226594]Perhaps the whole legal system needs to get on board with that, too. My friend received a "disorderly conduct with a motor vehicle" ticket when a local resident called him in for doing a brake-stand in a gravel lot with his all-time-AWD Jeep. Said he had it on video and everything. He obviously fought it. In the courtroom the 'evidence' presented was a photo of his Jeep driving on the roadway after exiting the parking lot. The judged ruled him guilty and the fine stood. I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor after that. So how am I protected against someone who dislikes me doing the same thing? It's truly a scary world. Our courtrooms have become a big contest between lawyers, an arena for them to do battle. The truth isn't what's being put on trial, but instead whom can interpret and twist the evidence to suit their desired outcome the best. A lawyer could watch someone be murdered, then turn right around the defend that same person in a trial if the price were right. It sickens me what it's become.[/QUOTE] You have the same laws to use against people who ou dislike.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49228511]are people actually justifying ticketing people who are, texting while they are [B]NOT MOVING AT ALL WHILE IN LINE[/B] because I'm pretty sure you aren't going to crash your car when your car turns into a semi while you're pretty much [U]parked[/U] this post is yawmwen levels of anti-cop, which is really fucking hard to achieve I didn't think you were this [del]passionate[/del] cynical about something.[/QUOTE] Didn't realize I literally wrote, "I'm all for him losing his job." Bad exaggeration, and I might have a disorder. But police often get away with being grime. They don't get enough credit for being cool when they are, but this is an example of them being pretty stupid.