Iranian news agency: US Recognizes Iran's right to nuclear utility. (???) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;34330452]Egypt and Turkey are far more forward thinking countries as far as social liberalism and democracy are concerned.[/QUOTE] Egypt is ruled by a oppresive Junta who is currently staying in power by abusing their citizens with weapons supplied by the US. Turkey is a good example, but they're currently fighting against Kurd rebels in their own country.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34330523]Egypt is ruled by a oppresive Junta who is currently staying in power by abusing their citizens with weapons supplied by the US. Turkey is a good example, but they're currently fighting against Kurd rebels in their own country.[/QUOTE] What about that Egyptian Election thing? I thought that the Junta was a temporary power structure until the elections came around.

Oh I guess you might mention Israel, who currently has the largest concentration camp setup in their own backyard. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;34330538]What about that Egyptian Election thing? I thought that the Junta was a temporary power structure until the elections came around.[/QUOTE] They obviously want to hold onto power, and they have showed this.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34330542] They obviously want to hold onto power, and they have showed this.[/QUOTE] As of late?

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34330083]Go ahead, if they can't have nukes you can't have nukes either.[/QUOTE] From your own personal point of view, which is a great example seeing as how Canadian and Iranian foreign relations are quite poor (and decreasing with recent Canadian execution), assume Iran is an autocratically ran nation considered "rogue" in every aspect of the word -- would you want Iran to possess nuclear weaponry? They don't have the 'right' because we (the rest of the world) aren't sure that they can be responsible and trusted with them.

[QUOTE=TheCloak;34330723]From your own personal point of view, which is a great example seeing as how Canadian and Iranian foreign relations are quite poor (and decreasing with recent Canadian execution), assume Iran is an autocratically ran nation considered "rogue" in every aspect of the word -- would you want Iran to possess nuclear weaponry? They don't have the 'right' because we (the rest of the world) aren't sure that they can be responsible and trusted with them.[/QUOTE] IF by the 'rest of the world' you're referring specifically to NATO and the EU, it doesn't quite qualify.

[QUOTE=archangel125;34330749]IF by the 'rest of the world' you're referring specifically to NATO and the EU, it doesn't quite qualify.[/QUOTE] I'm referring to the world's superpowers

[QUOTE=TheCloak;34330723]From your own personal point of view, which is a great example seeing as how Canadian and Iranian foreign relations are quite poor (and decreasing with recent Canadian execution), assume Iran is an autocratically ran nation considered "rogue" in every aspect of the word -- would you want Iran to possess nuclear weaponry? They don't have the 'right' because we (the rest of the world) aren't sure that they can be responsible and trusted with them.[/QUOTE] Canada-Iran relations are horrible because of the United States.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;34328446]They do have nuclear rights. If they are pursuing peaceful nuclear power, that's fine, however they won't let anyone know what they are actually doing. It's incredibly suspicious.[/QUOTE] It's like US itself lets everybody know of their nuclear plans and shit.

[QUOTE=TheCloak;34330785]I'm referring to the world's superpowers[/QUOTE] So, like, China? Because they're totally cool with Iran having nukes.

[QUOTE=archangel125;34330888]So, like, China? Because they're totally cool with Iran having nukes.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they are - and I'm sure the US and everybody else would be too, hiding them from the countries though, is not cool.

[QUOTE=archangel125;34330888]So, like, China? Because they're totally cool with Iran having nukes.[/QUOTE] China does not support Iran having nuclear weapons. [url]http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/285296/20120120/china-adamantly-opposes-iran-developing-possessing-nuclear.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=archangel125;34330284]He has a point. The US government hasn't represented its people for ages. What is the president but a figurehead who can make small changes to domestic policy but is powerless to oppose congress and corporations? Especially when corporations can legally bribe politicians, so long as they call it a 'contribution?'[/QUOTE] If you don't feel that your congressmen are representing you then don't vote for them in their upcoming reelection. You vote for people who you feel are going to do an adequate job of representing you, like every other US citizen who votes as well. Maybe you should blame stupid voters for putting bad representatives into power, instead of blaming the government itself. The president can oppose congress through vetoes, and I'm pretty sure most of the stuff he does veto doesn't end up passing if it goes through congress a second time. If you gave the president more power people would just end up bitching that he has too much power and is controlling the government. To me it seems like you should be instead having a problem with stupid voters and corrupt congressmen who are only in power as a result of stupid voters.

[QUOTE=TheCloak;34330920]I'm sure they are - and I'm sure the US and everybody else would be too, hiding them from the countries though, is not cool.[/QUOTE] No, because that would upset Israel's power in the region.

[QUOTE=Valdor;34331043]If you don't feel that your congressmen are representing you then don't vote for them in their upcoming reelection. You vote for people who you feel are going to do an adequate job of representing you, like every other US citizen who votes as well. Maybe you should blame stupid voters for putting bad representatives into power, instead of blaming the government itself. The president can oppose congress through vetoes, and I'm pretty sure most of the stuff he does veto doesn't end up passing if it goes through congress a second time. If you gave the president more power people would just end up bitching that he has too much power and is controlling the government. To me it seems like you should be instead having a problem with stupid voters and corrupt congressmen who are only in power as a result of stupid voters.[/QUOTE] But I'm Canadian.

[QUOTE=archangel125;34331074]But I'm Canadian.[/QUOTE] Your flag lies.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34330027]Damn them! They're standing up to US![/QUOTE] Uhh, this is a lot more serious than simply saying, "Fuck the US of A!" Iran is an extremely anti-western nation, who wouldn't be responsible enough to handle a nuclear weapon. Who knows who's hands it would end up in.

[QUOTE=Valdor;34331308]Your flag lies.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I wish it didn't :/ [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] But still, I got a big maple leaf, so it's all good :)

[QUOTE=archangel125;34331773]Yeah, I wish it didn't :/ [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] But still, I got a big maple leaf, so it's all good :)[/QUOTE] I think we're all Canadian at heart. <3

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34331767]Uhh, this is a lot more serious than simply saying, "Fuck the US of A!" Iran is an extremely anti-western nation, who wouldn't be responsible enough to handle a nuclear weapon. Who knows who's hands it would end up in.[/QUOTE] I think it's best that we acknowledge that in their minds they're right and in ours we're right. And that from our perspectives it would ultimately be very bad for us if they got nuclear weapons. Which is why we're trying to intimidate them into abandoning their weapons program, which won't work out well because it's only making them angrier, and now we're all flexing our muscles, which will inevitably lead to pushing, then shoving, then all-out war. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] Because saying that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys is an error in judgment. Objectively, unfortunately, there's no such thing as good or evil.

Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. How many times does it have to be stated?

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34333011]Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. How many times does it have to be stated?[/QUOTE] [Citation needed]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34333043][Citation needed][/QUOTE]What? This is a fucking fact. There is no indication at all that they have one. Cite yourself, you're the ones making the claim that they have a weapons program. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] Where is Starpluck? I'm surprised he isn't in here.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34333055]What? This is a fucking fact. There is no indication at all that they have one. Cite yourself, you're the ones making the claim that they have a weapons program. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] Where is Starpluck? I'm surprised he isn't in here.[/QUOTE] I never said they had one nor they dident have one. You're blatantly confirming they don't have one when you have no source at all, which is why I'm not saying they do. From my point of view, it makes sense from the Iranian leaderships standpoint to have one to deter any invasion from foreign powers.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34333194]I never said they had one nor they dident have one. You're blatantly confirming they don't have one when you have no source at all, which is why I'm not saying they do. From my point of view, it makes sense from the Iranian leaderships standpoint to have one to deter any invasion from foreign powers.[/QUOTE] The source is the US fucking sec def [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-08/iran-nuclear-weapons/52451620/1[/url] [quote] Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says Iran is laying the groundwork for making nuclear weapons someday, but is not yet building a bomb and called for continued diplomatic and economic pressure to persuade Tehran not to take that step.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;34331828]I think we're all Canadian at heart. <3[/QUOTE] i dont recall being a bacon eating maple syrup farmer deep down in my heart

and laying the groundwork for nuclear weapons is achievable by enriching uranium for use in creating radiopharmaceuticals and a range of other radiological material

[QUOTE=Contag;34333234]The source is the US fucking sec def [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-08/iran-nuclear-weapons/52451620/1[/url][/QUOTE] They arent building a nuke, but surely they have ventured down the path of atleast designing one, as I said it only makes sense. I don't see a point in arguing as I've basically reiterated my opinion on the matter and so have you.

there's really nothing scarier in the world than a violent theocracy with nuclear weapons. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8PHdm.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;34333270]They arent building a nuke, but surely they have ventured down the path of atleast designing one, as I said it only makes sense. I don't see a point in arguing as I've basically reiterated my opinion on the matter and so have you.[/QUOTE] Keeping their options open makes sense North fucking Korea has had nukes for almost a decade now and we're still standing proliferation risks are increased, but that's pretty much inevitable