• UK: Four in 10 Teachers attacked by pupils
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[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49636895].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ZestyLemons;49636975].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=UberMunchkin;49637385].[/QUOTE] I'm not saying bring back the fucking strap or beat them senseless with the ruler. A smack and the notion they better sit down again is all I'm referring to. Kicking them out of the room or even the school is not a proper solution either. It just moves the problem somewhere else or worse they leave school completely and then we have more uneducated welfare leeches in the system. There is really not a whole lot you can do with problematic students.
[QUOTE=Jackald;49642574]Ding ding ding. Parents want the teachers to fucking raise their kids for them. "Hey make sure you read to your kid every night to help improve his literacy. Also sit down with your kid and help them with their homework, it helps to have someone reinforcing their learning from home." and then later the parent is all "WHY IS JOHNNY NOT LEARNING ARE YOU NOT TEACHING HIM PROPERLY?!" and the teacher's like "Well did you read with him and do homework with him?" "NO I WAS TOO BUSY WITH WORK AND HAD TO LEAVE HIM AT A CHILDMINDERS' FOR 4 DAYS A WEEK, I LOVE MY SON I THINK HIS NAME WAS JIMMY?"[/QUOTE] It also doesn't help that we have an absolutely HUGE number of single parent homes, especially in the poorer area. It's basically impossible for a working single parent to give the necessary attention to a child.
My mother had a student who would piss on the floor when she was angry. Never had someone hit her though. She's had to get plenty of students dragged out of her classroom before too.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49642308]If it's anything like the US, then the vast majority of issues related to student misbehavior has to do with parents giving no support to the teachers and/or not being involved at all. Teachers, no matter how good, can't fix a decade of bad parenting.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jackald;49642574]Ding ding ding. Parents want the teachers to fucking raise their kids for them. "Hey make sure you read to your kid every night to help improve his literacy. Also sit down with your kid and help them with their homework, it helps to have someone reinforcing their learning from home." and then later the parent is all "WHY IS JOHNNY NOT LEARNING ARE YOU NOT TEACHING HIM PROPERLY?!" and the teacher's like "Well did you read with him and do homework with him?" "NO I WAS TOO BUSY WITH WORK AND HAD TO LEAVE HIM AT A CHILDMINDERS' FOR 4 DAYS A WEEK, I LOVE MY SON I THINK HIS NAME WAS JIMMY?"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Source;49647283]Tbh i think this extends beyond the level of necessarily being 100% the kids fault, sure they're little shits but they get it from somewhere, remember there's a lot of fucking awful parents out there and they are having more and more kids.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sgman91;49647437]It also doesn't help that we have an absolutely HUGE number of single parent homes, especially in the poorer area. It's basically impossible for a working single parent to give the necessary attention to a child.[/QUOTE] You guys know the problem well. My friend's mom works in our local elementary school back home. She's a teacher, and I've asked her what her opinion is of kids today, parents, school in general. Long story short: everything is degenerating. Kids are worse than they were, parents are worse than they were, schools in general are worse than what they used to be. Kids are fucked up because they don't have nearly the support they used to get from parents and adults, and it starts in preschool-- when they're shipped off as toddlers to basically be raised by other kids on a regular basis away from their parents; with no guidance, they basically do whatever the fuck they want to do, and they can do a hell of a lot now with technology and no supervision of any sort. Parents more and more also aren't there for their kids; there's a variety of reasons for this, ranging from the economy being shit and them having to stay busy with work in order to keep financially afloat, to them just being shitty parents that don't really want to put the time and effort and money necessary into responsibly caring for the little humans they've created. Beyond that, the quality of schools has declined from what it used to be like. Again, there's a variety of reasons for this; increased emphasis on standardized testing and producing statistical reports that look good but mean nothing dominate our schools, there's a lot of shitty teachers scattered around here and there that have to be dealt with, and then there's also the issue with a lot of good teachers out there just getting beaten down by their job and not being able to do it anymore (which isn't surprising, when you look at the pitiful state of the students they're trying to teach, the parents of the students they're trying to teach, and the school system's backwardness in general). It's a fucking mess. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/top-reading_n_1373680.html]High schoolers on average aren't reading above a 5th grade level[/url]. [url=http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/news/2012/decline-american-education]Students aren't equipped in the basics of STEM fields[/url]. [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html]Social mobility is decreasing[/url]; [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/03/its-not-just-you-americans-are-actually-still-getting-poorer/]the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer[/url]. [url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/22/less-than-half-of-u-s-kids-today-live-in-a-traditional-family/]About 39% of all children here now either live in single-parent households or have no parent at home with them[/url] (and plenty of others have been forced to deal with divorces and remarriages, which has its own slew of consequences for kids). And so on. This education crisis we're facing isn't just a matter of quality of teaching and schooling; it's a part of a larger socio-economic crisis which has just as many socio-economic implications. Very serious implications which, if not dealt with, will haunt us in the future. Honestly, in hindsight, saying "it's a fucking mess" might be an understatement. I can't say what's causing this for Britain, but this is how things are for us in the United States. Maybe we're both dealing with the same problems? We [i]must[/i] fix this shit though. Things cannot go on this way. You cannot have a society that functions under these circumstances.
[QUOTE=Govna;49647609]It's a fucking mess. [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/top-reading_n_1373680.html]High schoolers on average aren't reading above a 5th grade level[/url].[/QUOTE] I remember being in my senior English class and trying to keep my jaw from dropping whenever we did group reading sessions. Listening to 18 year olds heading into university or the workforce struggle to read and pronounce the most basic words was really mindblowing. I'm not a bookworm or anything either, these kids seriously would read things like "the... shiny plate was.. was marv.. marv-el-ose? Marvelose?" "No Jeremy, marvelous." [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] Like, not to be a pretentious douche or anything, but hearing kids regularly just "give up" pronouncing a word like "exquisite" or "trebuchet" every day was seriously depressing, and I was in an upper middle-class school too.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;49636895]It was because beating kids with sticks is wrong and kids just got more violent. My uncle was the prime example they tried to give him the stick and he just fought the teachers who tried to do it.[/QUOTE] To be honest, if anyone would unjustly touch me, especially a teacher, I'd just flip shit and punch back.
[QUOTE=srobins;49647768]I remember being in my senior English class and trying to keep my jaw from dropping whenever we did group reading sessions. Listening to 18 year olds heading into university or the workforce struggle to read and pronounce the most basic words was really mindblowing. I'm not a bookworm or anything either, these kids seriously would read things like "the... shiny plate was.. was marv.. marv-el-ose? Marvelose?" "No Jeremy, marvelous." [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] Like, not to be a pretentious douche or anything, but hearing kids regularly just "give up" pronouncing a word like "exquisite" or "trebuchet" every day was seriously depressing, and I was in an upper middle-class school too.[/QUOTE] This has always bugged me and can make me come off as pretentious or pedantic with people. I often have to use simpler words or rephrase myself because words that I consider at my educational level are difficult to understand among my peers. More closely to the point though, I've often helped my peers and superiors when reading something aloud. Likewise, grammar and spelling is also a big issue for some. A lot of this I see in the military, too. But I suppose I've also had a more colorful education over the years than most.
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;49647848]This has always bugged me and can make me come off as pretentious or pedantic with people. I often have to use simpler words or rephrase myself because words that I consider at my educational level are difficult to understand among my peers. More closely to the point though, I've often helped my peers and superiors when reading something aloud. Likewise, grammar and spelling is also a big issue for some. A lot of this I see in the military, too. But I suppose I've also had a more colorful education over the years than most.[/QUOTE] Yeah, sometimes I feel a little bummed out that I can't really use a full vocabulary when talking to a lot of my friends. I mean, it's not like it's something I hinge on day in and day out, but sometimes I get tired of having to replace certain words or phrases with "and shit" lol
[QUOTE=srobins;49647768]I remember being in my senior English class and trying to keep my jaw from dropping whenever we did group reading sessions. Listening to 18 year olds heading into university or the workforce struggle to read and pronounce the most basic words was really mindblowing. I'm not a bookworm or anything either, these kids seriously would read things like "the... shiny plate was.. was marv.. marv-el-ose? Marvelose?" "No Jeremy, marvelous." [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] Like, not to be a pretentious douche or anything, but hearing kids regularly just "give up" pronouncing a word like "exquisite" or "trebuchet" every day was seriously depressing, and I was in an upper middle-class school too.[/QUOTE] I know that feeling man. And like you, I didn't look down on them. Except for the ones who were assholes. One other thing that shocks me is how many of these people are in college. I don't know if you can relate to this or not, but I've got a lot of people around me who are the exact same way. And some of them are going to graduate here soon, or they've already graduated. Somehow, I don't know how, they made it through. And that says a lot about the state of higher education in this country.
[QUOTE=Govna;49647916]I know that feeling man. And like you, I didn't look down on them. Except for the ones who were assholes. One other thing that shocks me is how many of these people are in college. I don't know if you can relate to this or not, but I've got a lot of people around me who are the exact same way. And some of them are going to graduate here soon, or they've already graduated. Somehow, I don't know how, they made it through. And that says a lot about the state of higher education in this country.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, if we're entering "shit on our classmates" territory here, I just got done with all of my English requirements for university.. We did essay peer-reviews and boy was that a wild ride. I wish I had saved some of their papers because they were genuinely funny to read, coming from university students. We had to write a paper about the Planned Parenthood controversy (never attend a Christian university, ever), the girl next to me would write stuff like "The scandal is bad, because the fetus are being hurt by the process. It is illegal and because of that it is bad, and not right to do. We have to do whatever it takes to stop this tradedy [sic] from happening to other babys." [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] Man, I had almost lulled myself into a nice dream state where our national literacy wasn't a total disgrace.. Until this thread reminded me of the cruel world we live in lol
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