13 Year Old America Hater Suspended from School for Wiping Filthy Communist Hands on Glorious Americ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36265702]except your main criticism so far seems to be that people are finding value in woven fabric, which is a bullshit criticism because it completely ignores personal value things don't have to be made out of fucking diamonds to be valuable to someone[/QUOTE] Flags are cheap and mass produced.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36265893]You Americans and your flag. Did you know there's a propper procedure for folding and storing your flag in America? It's not law as far as I know but it's still a crazy thing to have. In Ireland we just kind of throw them wherever when they're not used. Plus we don't use them often. I went about 3 years without seeing the Irish flag before the whole World Cup thing kicked off again.[/QUOTE] I think most countries have a procedure for storing and folding flags. I know that in Scouts we learned how to fold it, that it shouldn't touch the ground, etc I think if it's a historic flag (like in the actual fabric) they by all means, treat it carefully but if you bought it down the road for a fiver it's not really worth crying over if the corner touches the ground or if you accidentally sneeze on it [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36265785]Dude...what? How do you "has an american"? Who the fuck is Due and why should he take note? If you are so against the flag why is it your opinion? [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] No, American is a nationality not an ethnicity.[/QUOTE] How do you define ethnicity? Yes, the US is a multicultural society, but nearly every country is nowadays. The United States is only a few hundred years old, yes, but at which point in history do you say 'from this day on, anybody born in this country will be considered to belong to the ethnic group DESPITE the large migration and interbreeding of other populations'? It'll be very hard to find a person that is 'pure' German, for instance. Where in history does one pinpoint that 'these are the genes/attributes that make a person German', if all throughout history there have been constant population shifts?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36265990]Flags are cheap and mass produced.[/QUOTE] Something does not have to be unique and expensive in order to have value. And, in this case, I don't think they were pissed that it happened to their specific flag, but pissed because it happened to [i]the[/i] flag, which is an insult to what the flag represents. American flags may be cheap and plentiful, but they all represent something very important to those who believe in what it represents. They aren't pissed because it's hard to get another one, they're pissed because it insults what they believe in.

But I doubt the whole meaning of america was crumbled to the ground by this one incident. The dude just found a piece of cloth to clean his hands on.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266076]Something does not have to be unique and expensive in order to have value. And, in this case, I don't think they were pissed that it happened to their specific flag, but pissed because it happened to [i]the[/i] flag, which is an insult to what the flag represents. American flags may be cheap and plentiful, but they all represent something very important to those who believe in what it represents. They aren't pissed because it's hard to get another one, they're pissed because it insults what they believe in.[/QUOTE] It did no tangible damage however, I do not see why that is an issue.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36266092]But I doubt the whole meaning of america was crumbled to the ground by this one incident. The dude just found a piece of cloth to clean his hands on.[/QUOTE] Why could he just use his shirt or just shake his hands dry?

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;36266117]Why could he just use his shirt or just shake his hands dry?[/QUOTE] It would get his shirt wet and if he shook his hands water would get all over the place

[QUOTE=RagamuffinIIII;36265269]i'm pretty sure the 13 year old wasn't trying to send a deep political and philisophical message about his opinions on the state of america, he was wiping his fucking hands.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you'd have to be borderline autistic to wipe your hands on a flag without realizing what such a thing conveys. I don't think he should have been suspended, but I don't believe he was "just wiping his hands" for a second.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36266092]But I doubt the whole meaning of america was crumbled to the ground by this one incident. The dude just found a piece of cloth to clean his hands on.[/QUOTE] No, but it still pisses them off quite a bit, evidently. And yes, the dude sees the flag entirely differently, and it's an honest mistake, and his punishment is bullshit and not deserved, and the teacher should've calmed down and handled the situation way better, I'm just attacking Sobotnik's view that it is bullshit to hold the flag in any high regard because "it's just woven fabric". [editline]9th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;36266113]It did no tangible damage however, I do not see why that is an issue.[/QUOTE] Yes, but it reduces the flags value. To them, the flag is not a fucking napkin for you to wipe your hands on, and doing so tells them that you think that it is, and that quite understandably [i]pisses them off.[/i]

One thing I don't get... He wiped his hands on a flag. I'm not saying "DISRESPECTFUL" but it's almost like someone wiping their hands on your curtains at home because there are no towels...

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266150]No, but it still pisses them off quite a bit, evidently. And yes, the dude sees the flag entirely differently, and it's an honest mistake, and his punishment is bullshit and not deserved, and the teacher should've calmed down and handled the situation way better, I'm just attacking Sobotnik's view that it is bullshit to hold the flag in any high regard because "it's just woven fabric".[/QUOTE] I find its childish to hold any flag in any regard really.

The Captain sums up my thoughts on this pretty well [t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3865912/1266386475543.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;36266168]One thing I don't get... He wiped his hands on a flag. I'm not saying "DISRESPECTFUL" but it's almost like someone wiping their hands on your curtains at home because there are no towels...[/QUOTE] Tbh I wouldn't be a happy camper if someone wiped their hands with my curtains.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266076]Something does not have to be unique and expensive in order to have value. And, in this case, I don't think they were pissed that it happened to their specific flag, but pissed because it happened to [i]the[/i] flag, which is an insult to what the flag represents. American flags may be cheap and plentiful, but they all represent something very important to those who believe in what it represents. They aren't pissed because it's hard to get another one, they're pissed because it insults what they believe in.[/QUOTE] do all your actions cater to the majority's beliefs then?

[QUOTE=Jackald;36264887]Reminds me of this episode of futurama: [IMG]http://images.wikia.com/en.futurama/images/f/f2/ZoidbergWithFlag.jpg[/IMG] Why do Americans get so hung up over their flag? I mean it's incredibly ironic to go against the meaning of the flag in order to preserve its dignity.[/QUOTE] Thats the kind of talk one would expect from one of those filthy nazi commie terrorists Obama keeps letting into our country! GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND OF THE BRAVE! [img]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2008/11/CryingEagle-Flag640.jpg[/img] (this fucking image cracks me up :v:)

[QUOTE=Bobie;36266198]do all your actions cater to the majority's beliefs then?[/QUOTE] My actions are done so in order to be polite and respect others, if it is not too out of my way, or if it does not make me too uncomfortable. On a flag, I will be flexible and respect your beliefs. However, for example, I will [i]not[/i] do the pledge of allegiance because doing so is against my beliefs and makes me very uncomfortable. [editline]d[/editline] if doing what I believe is polite means you want to dub me a slave to the majority, that's fine

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266265]My actions are done so in order to be polite and respect others, if it is not too out of my way, or if it does not make me too uncomfortable. On a flag, I will be flexible and respect your beliefs. However, for example, I will [i]not[/i] do the pledge of allegiance because doing so is against my beliefs and makes me very uncomfortable. [editline]d[/editline] if doing what I believe is polite means you want to dub me a slave to the majority, that's fine[/QUOTE] If that's the case then you should also respect the opinions of people who believe that a flag holds no value If you are pushing your beliefs onto others then it isn't just respecting that you're doing

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36266092]But I doubt the whole meaning of america was crumbled to the ground by this one incident. The dude just found a piece of cloth to clean his hands on.[/QUOTE] It's not about the meaning or values of the country being literally emued in the flag. It's about what it stands for and symbolises for people. Think of a wedding ring. It can be really expensive and have a lot of actual value-by-weight. Or it can be the cheapest band of metal the couple could afford. Regardless of the monetary value, the ring will still have immense significance and represent a lot of things to this couple. Some people will get offended by the misuse of the flag, because for them it represents all of the values and ideas and memories of America that they hold important.

Well, I'm assuming it's a normal classroom flag, were it's suspended from the wall, so the kid had to be a smartass and reach up to wipe his hands on it? Deserves the [B]in school[/B] suspension. ISS isn't even that big of a deal.

I think we should be going out of our ways to desecrate flags just to demonstrate how arbitrary and grotesquely irrational nationalist sentiments are; especially the positive sentiments.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;36265451]where the fuck did you go? Texas? most of us really aren't flag crazy at all. in my town the only places with an american flag are the fucking town hall & police station, both of which have a state flag right next to it.[/QUOTE] I live in Massachusetts.

[QUOTE=Maloof?;36266360]Think of a wedding ring. It can be really expensive and have a lot of actual value-by-weight. Or it can be the cheapest band of metal the couple could afford. Regardless of the monetary value, the ring will still have immense significance and represent a lot of things to this couple.[/QUOTE] I hate wedding rings and what they stand for It's such a shame that they're so thoroughly ingrained into our culture

[QUOTE=Jund;36266339]If that's the case then you should also respect the opinions of people who believe that a flag holds no value If you are pushing your beliefs onto others then it isn't just respecting that you're doing[/QUOTE] I'm cool with the idea that the flag has no value, especially because I believe so myself. At least, I believe it has no value to me. And if I asked them not to treat the flag like just another piece of cloth, at least while in my presence, and they said no, that would be totally fine. On the flip-side, if they asked me to not hold the flag up in high regards around them because it made them personally uncomfortable, I would do so, as long as it didn't make me personally uncomfortable as well. Like I said, no matter how much it pisses off the teacher, it's bullshit that he was given in school suspension. You should be allowed to [i]not[/i] respect others opinions if that is what you choose to do.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;36266168]One thing I don't get... He wiped his hands on a flag. I'm not saying "DISRESPECTFUL" but it's almost like someone wiping their hands on your curtains at home because there are no towels...[/QUOTE] That's what I actually do sometimes

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266265]My actions are done so in order to be polite and respect others, if it is not too out of my way, or if it does not make me too uncomfortable. On a flag, I will be flexible and respect your beliefs. However, for example, I will [i]not[/i] do the pledge of allegiance because doing so is against my beliefs and makes me very uncomfortable. [editline]d[/editline] if doing what I believe is polite means you want to dub me a slave to the majority, that's fine[/QUOTE] Being insulted by something is ok, as long as you don't suspend a kid from school because you personally were offended. Obviously, there are different kinds of offenses. Wiping your hands on a flag is not nearly as making death threats.

[QUOTE=FFStudios;36266383]I live in Massachusetts.[/QUOTE] i'm in ct. how on earth do you guys have flags all over the place, we're the wasp-iest and least patriotic part of america

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266450] Like I said, no matter how much it pisses off the teacher, it's bullshit that he was given in school suspension. You should be allowed to [i]not[/i] respect others opinions if that is what you choose to do.[/QUOTE] This, exactly. I understand if someone was upset by a kid wiping their hands on the flag. But you shouldn't wave your authority around and punish someone because you value something they don't.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36266470]That's what I actually do sometimes[/QUOTE] Remind me never to invite you to my house.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266450]I'm cool with the idea that the flag has no value, especially because I believe so myself. At least, I believe it has no value to me. And if I asked them not to treat the flag like just another piece of cloth, at least while in my presence, and they said no, that would be totally fine. On the flip-side, if they asked me to not hold the flag up in high regards around them because it made them personally uncomfortable, I would do so, as long as it didn't make me personally uncomfortable as well. Like I said, no matter how much it pisses off the teacher, it's bullshit that he was given in school suspension. You should be allowed to [i]not[/i] respect others opinions if that is what you choose to do.[/QUOTE] Then why are you railing at Sobotnik for his views? [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36265478]I don't believe the kid deserved the punishment he got (Seems like an honest mistake to me), nor do I hold the flag in the same high regards [I]BUT[/i] [B]I still believe that you should respect other people's personal beliefs, even if they aren't your own.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mister Sandman;36266450]Like I said, no matter how much it pisses off the teacher, it's bullshit that he was given in school suspension. [B]You should be allowed to [i]not[/i] respect others opinions if that is what you choose to do.[/B][/QUOTE]

If there was nothing else to wipe my hands on, I wouldn't think twice about using the flag.