The end of free internet: US Senate Committee Approves Internet “Blacklist” Bill - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27473935]There's a store that sells pirated games? that's a totally different form of illegal. Sorry again if i'm not getting it right, but being underage, that sucks, but it'll end some day, the credit card thing anyways.[/QUOTE] Malls are loads with pirated games. The only Malls that dont sell pirated games are the Super Famous Malls(For Leisure not Groceries) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27473935]There's a store that sells pirated games? that's a totally different form of illegal. Sorry again if i'm not getting it right, but being underage, that sucks, but it'll end some day, the credit card thing anyways.[/QUOTE] the only good thing is that anyone in all ages can buy any rated game and movie

[QUOTE=Matrix374;27473962]Malls are loads with pirated games. The only Malls that dont sell pirated games are the Super Famous Malls(For Leisure not Groceries) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] the only good thing is that anyone in all ages can buy any rated game and movie[/QUOTE] what country is this in?

Yeah, that's not piracy, that's bootlegging.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;27473962]Malls are loads with pirated games. The only Malls that dont sell pirated games are the Super Famous Malls(For Leisure not Groceries) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] the only good thing is that anyone in all ages can buy any rated game and movie[/QUOTE] Uhhh unless you live in China or some other developing country, retailers do not sell pirated games.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;27473998]Uhhh unless you live in China or some other developing country, retailers do not sell pirated games.[/QUOTE] just so we are clear on the terminology, the pirated form is the data, once it's on disk being sold, it's bootlegged. Bootlegging is a lot worse than Piracy. Piracy by spirit is non-commercial use, Bootlegging is [B]profiting [/B]off of other people creations. At one point today's Piracy would have been known as bootlegging, but the main difference in terminology today is that bootlegging entails a profit is being made

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27474027]just so we are clear on the terminology, the pirated form is the data, once it's on disk being sold, it's bootlegged. Bootlegging is a lot worse than Piracy. Piracy by spirit is non-commercial use, Bootlegging is [B]profiting [/B]off of other people creations.[/QUOTE] thank you for that info [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27473991]what country is this in?[/QUOTE] Malaysia Chinese Etlitist errywhere

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27473648][B]Who cares if you didn't plan to buy it? You have to pay money for it to get it. You bypass that by pirating. It doesn't matter if you wanted to fucking buy it or not, you got the fucking thing without paying the damn cost. THAT'S STEALING. PAY FOR IT OR DON'T FUCKING GET IT.[/B][/QUOTE] The whole argument is it costs So & So money when something is pirated... If I wasn't going to buy something, how is that different than pirating it instead, for the company who put the product out?

these mothafuckas cant stop me im a hella fresh OG MC

[QUOTE=Ermac20;27466852]you cant shut down the internet its impossible without pissing off people[/QUOTE] The internet was made in a way that it can't be shut down as such What they could do is cut you off from the internet... But if they went to that extreme... well.. [img]http://gyazo.com/9b573ddc1c29fd217c75271d7497f01f.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Matrix374;27474037]Malaysia[/QUOTE] Almost no places selling pirated/bootlegged software in any western country. Since People can just download it themselves.

America land of the fr... oh yeah.

A little late perhaps but it gets my point across. [media]http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png[/media]

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27472281]You want a game. It costs 50 bucks at the store. You go to Pirate Bay. You download the game for free. You cost the game company 50 bucks. You stole. This isn't just about music. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] 'Restricts my freedom'? You must be an extremely hardcore anarchist or something if you think blacklisting piracy websites (PirateBay, etc) is 'a restriction of freedom'.[/QUOTE] The only person who cares if someone pirates their games is the indie developers, and games like that usually aren't on piratebay, and even if they were, their dedicated fans buy the game anyways.

[QUOTE=Frisk;27466058]I've got nothing to worry about. The only thing I download from those sites are my linux distros :smug:[/QUOTE] You realize that if this were to have passed, the whole damn site would be blocked, distros or not.

[QUOTE=Jewsus;27465560]This bill got passed by the Senate Judiciary committee in the last session. That means that it didn't no longer exists because it didn't pass before the new congress took over. OP needs to do his research. I'll repeat. [B]THE BILL NEVER MADE IT TO EITHER THE HOUSE OR SENATE FLOOR.[/B][/QUOTE] beat me to it. AP Gov actually has its merits

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27469049]I can output from a CD player to two sets of speakers in different physical locations if I like. Are you saying that this should be illegal? And did you also just say that making personal backups should ALSO be illegal?[/QUOTE] Does this mean Ctrl + C is now illegal?! Fuck. I just copied Victoria 2 so that I could install a mod. I'm going to jail. :saddowns:

[QUOTE=TheTalon;27474228]The whole argument is it costs So & So money when something is pirated... If I wasn't going to buy something, how is that different than pirating it instead, for the company who put the product out?[/QUOTE] You're still obtaining it without paying. Let me dumb it down to Abyss' intellect level: Pirating = getting something without paying. Your money isn't going to the store or company. Your money would go to the store/company since you have to pay for things to get them. You don't pay for it, you shouldn't get it. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27473773]No. I'm done with you. I'm done with your bullshit. I remember our arguments about drug legalization and how fucking dense you were there when it comes to quantifiable shit. You did the same thing here, and you also relied on incredible ignorance and naivity of the topic to make your points which were as hollow as they get. You're literally the same here. So fuck you, i'm done.[/QUOTE] kthnxbai [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27475450]America land of the fr... oh yeah.[/QUOTE] This is just baffling. You people are becoming melodramatic girls over this, just because it'll stop you from pirating. Newsflash: being able to illegally download things off the internet is not freedom, and taking it away isn't a restriction of freedom, it's justice. You must all have some sort of anarchial mindset of 'its so kewl an edgy to go against the establishment' if you honestly believe justice isn't preferrable to your ill-gotten items. Arguing against piracy on FP, when 85% of the people are internet piraters, is a hopeless cause, I think. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;27479660]Does this mean Ctrl + C is now illegal?! Fuck. I just copied Victoria 2 so that I could install a mod. I'm going to jail. :saddowns:[/QUOTE] Copying game files to duplicate the game IS illegal.

All this talk about duplication and stealing and you all people seem to forget that Jesus duplicated fish and bread Jesus is ruining the fish and bread industry

The only time pirating/downloading music/games/movies off of pirate websites is if you try it out, like it, then go to the store and pay for it. [B]You must pay for things to get them in this society. When companies, directors, and musicians don't want you pirating their music, you're disregarding them entirely.[/B] [B]Fuck automerge broken.[/B] [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zezibesh;27479805]All this talk about duplication and stealing and you all people seem to forget that Jesus duplicated fish and bread Jesus is ruining the fish and bread industry[/QUOTE] Well, Jesus did have a ship on that sea. I guess he was a pirate.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;27474037] Malaysia Chinese Etlitist errywhere[/QUOTE] I lived in Malaysia for 3 years, and I can support that they had dirt cheap, bearable quality bootlegs [I]everywhere.[/I] A brand new game would cost like, the equivalent of 5-6 dollars. Of course you needed to illegally modify your console, and there was the chance that the bootleg was corrupted (happened to me quite a few times) but overall they usually played just as well as the original. It was actually kind of cool going through the night markets and shopping for random junk. The quality varied, but it was all so cheap you could buy quite a bit of stuff just because you could afford to.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27479725]Copying game files to duplicate the game IS illegal.[/QUOTE] Oh really? Then why is it that I can quote at least one game developer which encourages it's players to back up their files?

[QUOTE=David29;27479897]Oh really? Then why is it that I can quote at least one game developer which encourages it's players to back up their files?[/QUOTE] Backing up files = OK Copying an entire game, like Call of Duty or something, then sending it to a friend for them to have = Not OK

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27479913]Backing up files = OK Copying an entire game, like Call of Duty or something, then sending it to a friend for them to have = Not OK[/QUOTE] Except, I never said I was doing that. I was highlighting the point that copying =/= pirating.

[QUOTE=David29;27480048]Except, I never said I was doing that. I was highlighting the point that copying =/= pirating.[/QUOTE] Oh, well, you're right on that one.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27480084]Oh, well, you're right on that one.[/QUOTE] copying =/= piracy but piracy = copying? The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not defending piracy by the way, i'm against legislation like this. I know you can't imagine this having any consequences other than what is stated in the legislation, but no one cares that's what you think. Laws like this cause problems and can very well create slippery slopes and all for what? Stopping piracy? A problem that isn't killing ANY industry. A problem that's not even slowing any industry down(Not even a little). Yeah, stealing is wrong and I abhor those that do it, but piracy isn't theft, and this won't stop piracy. I know you think that simply blacklisting sites will stop piracy, but it won't. That's why I disagree with you, not because I'm a pirate or anything else. Though, I expect you to pull a glaber and only pick out something you can use as a snide remark and seem witty with. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Firefox42;27478526]A little late perhaps but it gets my point across. [media]http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png[/media][/QUOTE] this. ffs this. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] It's too bad you'll never realize the problem with arguing and not actually acknowleding the other side is real. You did this with the drug discussions a year ago, and you just didn't read anything and disagreed with all logic just to say "No i'm right" and you're doing the same thing here. And for some reason, i keep getting sucked in.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;27479805]All this talk about duplication and stealing and you all people seem to forget that Jesus duplicated fish and bread Jesus is ruining the fish and bread industry[/QUOTE] He also made bootleg liquor out of water, motherfucker needs to be stopped.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27473832]To bring up an analogy. This whole argument reminds me of how bakeries throw out their day-old pastries. Most bakeries will actually take the "still-good" items and throw them out to be replaced by fresh ones. Despite the fact that they've been thrown out, the bakery will still consider it stealing if soembody takes them. it's an interesting dilemma that relates a lot to the piracy/digital rights argument. The thrown-out pastries represent the fuzzy "ownership" of the said data once its out on the internet. It really comes down to a matter of principle, as since the donuts have already been thrown out, technically nobody owns them, yet the bakery feels like they are somehow losing potential sales if the thrown out pastries are taken and eaten. Just as Data is [U]not[/U] physical property ergo standard property ownership does not apply to it, yet companies will still feel like they've been robbed of "potential sales" even though the same people that acquired the data copies would not have bought the product in the first place. I know pastries and data seem very different, but the analogy is asymmetrically solid.[/QUOTE] Also, this analogy > your entire argument.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27479725]You're still obtaining it without paying. Let me dumb it down to Abyss' intellect level: Pirating = getting something without paying. Your money isn't going to the store or company. Your money would go to the store/company since you have to pay for things to get them. You don't pay for it, you shouldn't get it. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] kthnxbai [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] This is just baffling. You people are becoming melodramatic girls over this, just because it'll stop you from pirating. Newsflash: being able to illegally download things off the internet is not freedom, and taking it away isn't a restriction of freedom, it's justice. You must all have some sort of anarchial mindset of 'its so kewl an edgy to go against the establishment' if you honestly believe justice isn't preferrable to your ill-gotten items. Arguing against piracy on FP, when 85% of the people are internet piraters, is a hopeless cause, I think. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] Copying game files to duplicate the game IS illegal.[/QUOTE] Here is the definition of theft by Dictionary.com. [quote] 1. the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny. 2. an instance of this. 3. Archaic . something stolen.[/quote] And by thefreedictionary.com. [quote]1. (Law) Criminal law - the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession 2. Rare something stolen[/quote] In the case of piracy, none of these meanings apply. Pirates are not depriving anyone from their possessions. They are merely sharing. By your definition of theft, two children sharing a toy is piracy and they should be punished. I refuse to believe you are so arrogant to believe that pirates would buy the software/music/movies if they couldn't pirate it. The companies are losing [b]potential[/b] profit. Not profit.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27481171]He also made bootleg liquor out of water, motherfucker needs to be stopped.[/QUOTE] What a menace to society.

Should tape sharers from the 80's be arrested? They just copied tapes and handed them around because they couldn't get music around quickly back then. Should they have been arrested? Same case. I'm sure you'll say yes. What about someone who backs up a cd on their computer? They copied it, they now have a new file(Corporations are trying to make this illegal btw). They BOUGHT that product with their own money. Now, they've got a copy that is irrefutably theirs. Now, seeing as they bought that thing, and they could choose to(if it were music) blast it for everyone they knew to listen to, how is giving them a copy of that file any different? I think you want to arrest everyone who goes to a house party and listens to the songs that they blare over their shitty speakers. Really, it's just a form of sharing. Piracy isn't stealing. Piracy isn't "ok", but piracy is not stealing.