The end of free internet: US Senate Committee Approves Internet “Blacklist” Bill - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;27489455]Just for the record. [img_thumb]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=193489&dateline=1295297569[/img_thumb] I do hope you've got permission from the rights holders to display that clip in your avatar and compensated the parties involved to a sufficient degree for displaying copyright material to thousands of people every day. You fucking filthy thieving pirate.[/QUOTE] Touche. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;27486748]I don't understand your logic. Pirating an album from a big-name artist also "costs" them less than a cent considering how much the record label takes. But it's not okay to pirate their stuff because they've achieved notoriety and made it onto a Walmart shelf? I don't get it. What about scalping tickets, what's your opinion on that[/QUOTE] Alright then, you've all made excellent arguments. In the end, my opinion is this: is pirating necessarily 'good' or should it be done? No. Should it be illegal/is it stealing? No. You're simply copying something than redistributing it. Now, if you download like 1,000 dollars worth of free games, that's a whole different story. But the average amount of downloads is fine, and in the examples Zeke gave, he's right. Yep, you heard it here folks, I lost the argument. Excellent points, and thanks for showing me the more logical way of thinking on the scenario. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cluckyx;27489455]Just for the record. [img_thumb]http://www.facepunch.com/image.php?u=193489&dateline=1295297569[/img_thumb] I do hope you've got permission from the rights holders to display that clip in your avatar and compensated the parties involved to a sufficient degree for displaying copyright material to thousands of people every day. You fucking filthy thieving pirate.[/QUOTE] This post effectively was the nail in the coffin for me.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27490850]Touche. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] Alright then, you've all made excellent arguments. In the end, my opinion is this: is pirating necessarily 'good' or should it be done? No. Should it be illegal/is it stealing? No. You're simply copying something than redistributing it. Now, if you download like 1,000 dollars worth of free games, that's a whole different story. But the average amount of downloads is fine, and in the examples Zeke gave, he's right. Yep, you heard it here folks, I lost the argument. Excellent points, and thanks for showing me the more logical way of thinking on the scenario. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] This post effectively was the nail in the coffin for me.[/QUOTE] How very mature. Great closing statement.

I gave him a friendly. You don't see that kind of post on Facepunch very often.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27492446]I gave him a friendly. You don't see that kind of post on Facepunch very often.[/QUOTE] Thanks. Now, on-topic, I hope this legislature doesn't get passed, and I'm sure the HoR does as well. I can imagine it'd cause quite an uproar in the public if it did, and in the midst of a costly and losing war, a massive debt, and an economic recession, public militancy is the last thing the country needs.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27486052]You're using an honest thread I made a year ago as evidence that I'm a troll?[/QUOTE] Honest? HONEST? :doh: Let me give you some news. facepunch.com and [url]www.facepunch.com[/url] are the exact same site. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Natrox;27486090]If I would've pirated something, then it would mean I probably wouldn't have bought it anyways.[/QUOTE] I almost (almost mods) pirated defcon. I also was going to buy it, but I didn't.

Now come on, we've finished the argument in a friendly and amicable manner, let's not bring up old posts.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27492757]Now come on, we've finished the argument in a friendly and amicable manner, let's not bring up old posts.[/QUOTE] I posted that before the argument was over (last page). Now I suggest we all go flame the senate committee like real men do.

Gmod, I have some respect for you now. At least you can change your opinion. That's truly all that matters. Things change, opinions must to suit that change. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27492618]Thanks. Now, on-topic, I hope this legislature doesn't get passed, and I'm sure the HoR does as well. I can imagine it'd cause quite an uproar in the public if it did, and in the midst of a costly and losing war, a massive debt, and an economic recession, public militancy is the last thing the country needs.[/QUOTE] Well thankfully, it won't, hasn't, and probably can't at this juncture.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27467173]So it's unjust to make a law not to steal music/films/TV shows instead of paying for them? Alright, then by that logic if someone steals your possessions, your car, your computer, your movies, your music, your money, your house, they can keep it, and the law won't help you, but that's a good thing! Because stopping that criminal would be unjust. :downs:[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png[/img_thumb] [editline]9:03[/editline] rate clocks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27493863]Gmod, I have some respect for you now. At least you can change your opinion. That's truly all that matters. Things change, opinions must to suit that change. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] Well thankfully, it won't, hasn't, and probably can't at this juncture.[/QUOTE] I certainly hope not. They'll probably still bring it back up for another try though. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;27493933](Image)[/QUOTE] That image has already been posted, and the argument has already concluded.

Wait did an arguement on the internet just end in a civil manner with someone admitting they are wrong? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3kQk-lgFRI[/media]

As unlikely as it may sound, these things can happen when things are talked out in a coherent, mild-mannered fashion.

Lets think of the pros and cons of this bill being passed: Pros: -No more 4chan -No more flamewars about warez -No more godhatesfags.com -No more trick porn sites (lemonparty.org, meatspin.com, ect.) Cons: -No more gay porn sites, cause the govs are homophobs -4chan will have to migrate to another fourm -4chan will be mad and start doing stupid shit

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27490850]Alright then, you've all made excellent arguments. In the end, my opinion is this: is pirating necessarily 'good' or should it be done? No. Should it be illegal/is it stealing? No. You're simply copying something than redistributing it. Now, if you download like 1,000 dollars worth of free games, that's a whole different story. But the average amount of downloads is fine, and in the examples Zeke gave, he's right. Yep, you heard it here folks, I lost the argument. Excellent points, and thanks for showing me the more logical way of thinking on the scenario. [/QUOTE] It's a rare thing on the internet when someone will admit that they've had their point of view has changed, ironically although I said what I said, it's not so black and white for me. 1.[b] Is piracy affecting artists?[/b] [i]Notice I said affecting them and not stealing from them[/i]. Yes, no two ways about it. Although right now the effect is incredibly negligible, there is that small wedge of people for whom a heavily pirated album can really shit all over their dreams. This tiny wedge is only going to get bigger as more and more people start taking the indie digital distribution route over the labels. 2.[b]Does that mean I think Piracy is wrong?[/b] No. I don't because I find it hard that you can own information that can be copied so passively. Music copyright runs very similar to software copyright and alike. [b]technically[/b] if you want to follow the law to the letter. You are to buy and album and listen to it with headphones only. Playing it on speakers at your friend's party is [b]piracy[/b], playing it on the back of the bus like a chav is [b]piracy[/b]and then you get into the incredibly intangible prospects like are you committing piracy if you sing the song to a friend? technically? yes. When is the information you are sharing [i]no longer[/i] copyrighted? Either ALL information can be shared, or NONE of it can. There can't be any inbetweens. And seeing as the only way to guarantee sharing no information is to lock down our senses to every possible facet, the only alternative is all. 3. [b]In Conclusion?[/b] The one thing that is obvious is that we can't carry on the way we are. The way we make and distribute music needs to change drastically to reflect the very different world we live in from 70 odd years ago. Except what is stopping them is Record industries and Copyright industries, they are fighting it all the way bringing in more and more clandestine and crazy rules to maintain the status quo because it's making them a lot of money. They won't stop the change forever, it's bigger than them. The ocean is coming in, and they're trying to build a sandbag wall when they should really be building a boat. We "the internet" have started sharing, it's how data handling has evolved and it's going to keep evolving. The impetus is now on the industry to come up with their half and bring about a system where everyone is happy. Shit did that make sense? It's 5AM.

Man I don't even know anyone under the age of 20, myself included, who has payed for a single song or movie in their whole life. Furthermore, anyone who uses the internet has definitely broken copyright law many times. When enough people are breaking a law and nobody gives a damn besides the government and the corporations, that is obviously a pretty shitty law.

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;27494277]It's a rare thing on the internet when someone will admit that they've had their point of view has changed, ironically although I said what I said, it's not so black and white for me. 1.[b] Is piracy affecting artists?[/b] [i]Notice I said affecting them and not stealing from them[/i]. Yes, no two ways about it. Although right now the effect is incredibly negligible, there is that small wedge of people for whom a heavily pirated album can really shit all over their dreams. This tiny wedge is only going to get bigger as more and more people start taking the indie digital distribution route over the labels. 2.[b]Does that mean I think Piracy is wrong?[/b] No. I don't because I find it hard that you can own information that can be copied so passively. Music copyright runs very similar to software copyright and alike. [b]technically[/b] if you want to follow the law to the letter. You are to buy and album and listen to it with headphones only. Playing it on speakers at your friend's party is [b]piracy[/b], playing it on the back of the bus like a chav is [b]piracy[/b]and then you get into the incredibly intangible prospects like are you committing piracy if you sing the song to a friend? technically? yes. When is the information you are sharing [i]no longer[/i] copyrighted? Either ALL information can be shared, or NONE of it can. There can't be any inbetweens. And seeing as the only way to guarantee sharing no information is to lock down our senses to every possible facet, the only alternative is all. 3. [b]In Conclusion?[/b] The one thing that is obvious is that we can't carry on the way we are. The way we make and distribute music needs to change drastically to reflect the very different world we live in from 70 odd years ago. Except what is stopping them is Record industries and Copyright industries, they are fighting it all the way bringing in more and more clandestine and crazy rules to maintain the status quo because it's making them a lot of money. They won't stop the change forever, it's bigger than them. The ocean is coming in, and they're trying to build a sandbag wall when they should really be building a boat. We "the internet" have started sharing, it's how data handling has evolved and it's going to keep evolving. The impetus is now on the industry to come up with their half and bring about a system where everyone is happy. Shit did that make sense? It's 5AM.[/QUOTE] Very well said and very true.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;27494207]Lets think of the pros and cons of this bill being passed: Pros: -No more gay porn sites, cause the govs are homophobs -No more 4chan -No more flamewars about warez Cons: -4chan will have to migrate to another fourm -4chan will be mad and start doing stupid shit -no more thepiratebay.org[/QUOTE] fixed

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;27479835]I lived in Malaysia for 3 years, and I can support that they had dirt cheap, bearable quality bootlegs [I]everywhere.[/I] A brand new game would cost like, the equivalent of 5-6 dollars. Of course you needed to illegally modify your console, and there was the chance that the bootleg was corrupted (happened to me quite a few times) but overall they usually played just as well as the original. It was actually kind of cool going through the night markets and shopping for random junk. The quality varied, but it was all so cheap you could buy quite a bit of stuff just because you could afford to.[/QUOTE] and the prices for a real game is just....... RIDICULOUS

Of course. Of course it's Patrick Leahy. That bastard who has been in office for WAY too long, and keeps getting re-elected... it just makes my blood boil that such ignorance is tolerated so much in that goddamned state of Vermont.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;27496693]fixed[/QUOTE] yay, you're a homophobic bigot! how do you feel?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;27494207]Lets think of the pros and cons of this bill being passed: Pros: -No more 4chan [/QUOTE] 4chan isnt a major pirating site.

lololo america bans everything derp

Fuck. The [sarcasm]best[/sarcasm] part is that if it's on the blacklist, it's not gone for just the US, but the rest of the fucking world.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27502760]yay, you're a homophobic bigot! how do you feel?[/QUOTE] What's wrong with being homophobic?

[QUOTE=johan_sm;27510468]What's wrong with being homophobic?[/QUOTE] Because gay people arnt scary you wuss.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27467349]You people are overreacting. This isn't 'the end of free internet'. It's not like the US government is censoring every site in existence or forcing sites on you, it's stopping you from pirating and stealing on the internet. If you just paid for things, you wouldn't have any problem to begin with.[/QUOTE] Except they pretty much can censor it for everyone in the world, seeing as how they can and have forced ICANN to completely pull 'infringing' websites from the internet entirely. If there ever was a way to kill something on the internet, this is it and the US has the power to do it. And I'm glad this bill never passed before Senate changed hands, although I'm certain Big Media will try again until they get their way. 'Corporate highjacking of the Internet by mega-media cartels' doesn't even begin to describe it.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27510663]Because gay people arnt scary you wuss.[/QUOTE] Neither are ducks, but some people are still scared of them. Your point is invalid.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;27510888]Neither are ducks, but some people are still scared of them. Your point is invalid.[/QUOTE] What, you shouldnt be scared of gays or ducks. unless of course the gay/duck is being very aggressive and is trying to bite your eyes out.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;27510468]What's wrong with being homophobic?[/QUOTE] what's right about being irrational towards gay people? I know you're a homophobe, and anti gay rights, but You're an idiot and no one cares what you think. Gay people deserve no different treatment from anyone else. They are people. Like you. Like me. They are just people and they deserve the same treatment any other person gets.

Thank you Republicans from halting further progression of the NWO, however long this may delay them.