• Depressing stuff from Syria: rebel brigade executes large amount of surrendered SAA/militia
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Jesus, in the first video, the guy is asking for mercy, then in the second video, you can see him dead on the ground. They really need to stop shooting POW's, that's a war crime and it's not helping their cause.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;41626855][T]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Themanwhodied.png[/T] [B]"My ancestors are smiling at me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"[/B][/QUOTE] He doesn't look very "fearless" in this image :c
[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41626102]in the early stages of the conflict I supported the rebels and was for US intervention. now I support neither side and I don't understand why we chose to support these guys when they're just as bad as assad.[/QUOTE] The rebels are composed of multiple coalitions. They are not a single entity. Some are rather savage. Some are extremists. But some of them are people who have seen what the government has done against its country, and they want justice. They are not all bad people and many of them do not engage in slaughtering government troops who have surrendered. I remember reading a interview with one of the rebels a while back who was a commander for one of the better coalitions. He said the day that they defeat the government, they will have to begin fighting criminals and extremists, who were formerly their allies in this fight. Considering that the government troops have bad and unethical practices all around, had no regard for safety of civilians, and have used chemical weapons, the rebels are still the ones worth supporting. Just don't support things like this.
I don't know why people are surprised islamic extremists are part of the rebel movement, they went 2 years without any aid from the west, of course they're going to accept aid from extremist movements. To them its better than nothing.
You give support to an army made up of hundreds of factions. You can't really judge them all based on the actions of a single brigade. I don't believe the US should be supporting the rebels.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;41626094]Fucking savages. This makes me so fucking mad. Just waiting for NoDachi and other defense force trying to justify this. "Not a hivemind" argument is useless and retarded by now since you can say the identical thing about Assad's forces then. What's done is done.[/QUOTE] Well considering both sides are using religion to justify their killings then yes it is very retarded. If you look for videos like this the offenders always chant Pro-Islamic phrases, most commonly "God is great" aka Allah Ackbar. In my opinion Islam is what makes them all appear like a hivemind as Islam supports "holy warfare" against their enemy for god.
[QUOTE=ArkKnight;41626953]What alternative would you have done? You haven't proposed any alternative to letting go of a large group of people who they are fighting against and would likely lose people to in battles after, which is not exactly the most sound strategy for a war. The rebels have already had the media attack them over and over, so it's not like their image can get much worse from the PR of this.[/QUOTE] I'm not a military tactician so I can't set up a formidable solution to taking prisoners as an unorganized rebel faction, but I don't need to be one to tell you that executing unarmed POWs is wrong. It's pretty disgusting how you guys justify the execution of unarmed POW's because it's more [i]convenient[/i] that way.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;41631001]I'm not a military tactician so I can't set up a formidable solution to taking prisoners as an unorganized rebel faction, but I don't need to be one to tell you that executing unarmed POWs is wrong. It's pretty disgusting how you guys justify the execution of unarmed POW's because it's more [i]convenient[/i] that way.[/QUOTE] These people are rebels, they were as prepared as you or me. Sometimes it simply isn't possible to take prisoners. In war people are forced to do terrible things they wouldn't otherwise so. I'm sure if they had the resources to do so the moderate factions would take prisoners. You can hardly call people evil if it is impossible for them to choose the ethical option. And look, they shot them. They didn't cut them to pieces or beat them simply because they are cruel.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;41631140]These people are rebels, they were as prepared as you or me. Sometimes it simply isn't possible to take prisoners. In war people are forced to do terrible things they wouldn't otherwise so. I'm sure if they had the resources to do so the moderate factions would take prisoners. You can hardly call people evil if it is impossible for them to choose the ethical option. And look, they shot them. They didn't cut them to pieces or beat them simply because they are cruel.[/QUOTE] They could make peace. But solving the conflict isn't their goal, they openly display the flag of jihad in their youtube video's. For them, it's a war of religion for they are bigots.
[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41626102]in the early stages of the conflict I supported the rebels and was for US intervention. now I support neither side and I don't understand why we chose to support these guys when they're just as bad as assad.[/QUOTE] They are nowhere near as bad as Assad. The occasional massacre propogated by splinter factions does not compare to the wholesale bombing of civilian centers on Assads orders.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41631170]They are nowhere near as bad as Assad. The occasional massacre propogated by splinter factions does not compare to the wholesale bombing of civilian centers on Assads orders.[/QUOTE] Do two wrongs make a right?
[QUOTE=laserguided;41631188]Do two wrongs make a right?[/QUOTE] Where did I say that When one wrong is a couple of professional soldiers being murdered, and the other is thousands of unarmed civilians having rocket strikes targeted against them, the lesser of two evils becomes fairly obvious. I'm not even trying to excuse the behavior of these murderers, however they are just that; and as part of a rebel faction who's [I]only common goal is to overthrow Assad[/I], one has to expect a small number of murderers and maniacs to be among them. The fact still remains that the rebel faction is more representative of the Sunni majority in the country, and they aren't actively targeting artillery, bombings and massed rocket strikes against civilian centers on behalf of a government run totally by a tiny and brutal religious minority.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41631232]Where did I say that When one wrong is a couple of professional soldiers being murdered, and the other is thousands of unarmed civilians having rocket strikes targeted against them, the lesser of two evils becomes fairly obvious. I'm not even trying to excuse the behavior of these murderers, however they are just that; and as part of a rebel faction who's [I]only common goal is to overthrow Assad[/I], one has to expect a small number of murderers and maniacs to be among them. The fact still remains that the rebel faction is more representative of the Sunni majority in the country, and they aren't actively targeting artillery, bombings and massed rocket strikes against civilian centers on behalf of a government run by totally by a tiny and brutal religious minority.[/QUOTE] Why are Sunni followers more peaceful?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;41631140]These people are rebels, they were as prepared as you or me. Sometimes it simply isn't possible to take prisoners. In war people are forced to do terrible things they wouldn't otherwise so. I'm sure if they had the resources to do so the moderate factions would take prisoners. You can hardly call people evil if it is impossible for them to choose the ethical option. And look, they shot them. They didn't cut them to pieces or beat them simply because they are cruel.[/QUOTE] I'll say it again, killing unarmed POW's because it is convenient is not proper justification. Theres many ways to hold prisoners, even if you're not a faction without a formal government backing. You can always try and participate in prisoner exchanges as well as actually build a makeshift prison.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41631259]Why are Sunni followers more peaceful?[/QUOTE] Where the did I say anything about "being more peaceful"? Stop pulling stuff out of your ass. This is a matter of cause and effect, until the rebels start daily artillery barrages on pro-government civilian centers, then they will always be in the right when placed in juxtaposition to the behavior of Assad's military forces. The rebels mainly have access to small arms, and the occasional armored vehicle. They don't have any air power (especially not those designed to drop bombs) there's little to no air support or air infrastructure on the rebel side, and there haven't been any instances of rebels targeting civilian centers with barrages and airstrikes use to terrorize the local population. They are almost purely fighting with Assads forces, whereas Assads forces are purposely targeting pro-rebel civlians. Assad started the war with a brutal crackdown on unarmed and peaceful protests. Those are the colors and intentions of the Assad's government and he's expressed no other intentions since the war started. There's been nothing but constant civilian casualties for rebel supporters, neutral medical centers operating in rebel territory are routinely bombed and doctors need to work 24/7 on the constant stream of injured and maimed civilians who are shot at and bombed by Assads forces. Until that shit starts happening en-mass to the pro-government civilians and soldiers, then the rebels will always have the moral highground.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41631337]Where the did I say anything about "being more peaceful"? Stop pulling stuff out of your ass. This is a matter of cause and effect, until the rebels start daily artillery barrages on pro-government civilian centers, then they will always be in the right when placed in juxtaposition to the behavior of Assad's military forces. The rebels mainly have access to small arms, and the occasional armored vehicle. They don't have any air power (especially not those designed to drop bombs) there's little to no air support or air infrastructure on the rebel side, and there haven't been any instances of rebels targeting civilian centers with barrages and airstrikes use to terrorize the local population. They are almost purely fighting with Assads forces, whereas Assads forces are purposely targeting pro-rebel civlians. Assad started the war with a brutal crackdown on unarmed and peaceful protests. Those are the colors and intentions of the Assad's government and he's expressed no other intentions since the war started. There's been nothing but constant civilian casualties for rebel supporters, neutral medical centers operating in rebel territory are routinely bombed and doctors need to work 24/7 on the constant stream of injured and maimed civilians who are shot at and bombed by Assads forces. Until that shit starts happening en-mass to the pro-government civilians and soldiers, then the rebels will always have the moral highground.[/QUOTE] Lol since when did religion have the morale high ground? If the rebel's had a air force they would do the same thing. The rebels also launch rockets and mortar civilian towns. You know who has the morale high ground? The kurds.
As a sadist, wars have always been quite interesting, you get so used to being part of the hive-mind, you go to work, you do your job, you come home and watch the news, agree that the government is shit. but suddenly everyone starts ranting and raving, screaming and shouting, talking about atrocities and monstrosities, and i just cant understand why, i know why i don't know, but its still weird, people die every day, does it mater if 10,000,000 or 10,000,850 people die, everyone dies in the end, and its not like any one of us is affected by this, what ever the outcome is, we will still have our jobs and out video games to keep us occupied
[QUOTE=LovelyCyanide;41631495]As a sadist, wars have always been quite interesting[/QUOTE] Stopped taking this post seriously right here
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41631547]Stopped taking this post seriously right here[/QUOTE] An explanation would be nice
[QUOTE=LovelyCyanide;41631495]As a sadist, wars have always been quite interesting, you get so used to being part of the hive-mind, you go to work, you do your job, you come home and watch the news, agree that the government is shit. but suddenly everyone starts ranting and raving, screaming and shouting, talking about atrocities and monstrosities, and i just cant understand why, i know why i don't know, but its still weird, people die every day, does it mater if 10,000,000 or 10,000,850 people die, everyone dies in the end, and its not like any one of us is affected by this, what ever the outcome is, we will still have our jobs and out video games to keep us occupied[/QUOTE] mass murder, mass execution, torture, committing war crimes, and using chemical weapons is ok because everybody dies anyways [editline]29th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=LovelyCyanide;41631582]An explanation would be nice[/QUOTE] because your opinion is god damn retarded. No matter how nihilistic you (think) you are, thats a real shit outlook to have on life. By that logic you might as well and just off yourself cause you'll be dead in 60 or 70 years anyways. Grow up.
[QUOTE=LovelyCyanide;41631495]As a sadist, wars have always been quite interesting, you get so used to being part of the hive-mind, you go to work, you do your job, you come home and watch the news, agree that the government is shit. but suddenly everyone starts ranting and raving, screaming and shouting, talking about atrocities and monstrosities, and i just cant understand why, i know why i don't know, but its still weird, people die every day, does it mater if 10,000,000 or 10,000,850 people die, everyone dies in the end, and its not like any one of us is affected by this, what ever the outcome is, we will still have our jobs and out video games to keep us occupied[/QUOTE] look at this neckbeard i bet you think like this because you were bullied in school.
[QUOTE=LovelyCyanide;41631495]As a sadist, wars have always been quite interesting, you get so used to being part of the hive-mind, you go to work, you do your job, you come home and watch the news, agree that the government is shit. but suddenly everyone starts ranting and raving, screaming and shouting, talking about atrocities and monstrosities, and i just cant understand why, i know why i don't know, but its still weird, people die every day, does it mater if 10,000,000 or 10,000,850 people die, everyone dies in the end, and its not like any one of us is affected by this, what ever the outcome is, we will still have our jobs and out video games to keep us occupied[/QUOTE] [B][I]dark and edgy like my soul ~[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41631687]look at this neckbeard i bet you think like this because you were bullied in school.[/QUOTE] get a load of this guy
[QUOTE=laserguided;41631155]They could make peace. But solving the conflict isn't their goal, they openly display the flag of jihad in their youtube video's. For them, it's a war of religion for they are bigots.[/QUOTE] I'm going to give you a box, because I think words would be lost on you at this point.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41630950]Well considering both sides are using religion to justify their killings then yes it is very retarded. If you look for videos like this the offenders always chant Pro-Islamic phrases, most commonly "God is great" aka Allah Ackbar. In my opinion Islam is what makes them all appear like a hivemind as Islam supports "holy warfare" against their enemy for god.[/QUOTE] I cannot begin to count how many times this has been pointed out, but 'Allahu Ackbar' is not necessarily a pro-Islamic phrase. If you said 'oh God' or 'oh my God', I don't really think you'd be pro-Christian; the same principle applies here. 'Allah' is just the word for 'God' in Arabic.
When I was calling out the rebels for war crimes at the beginning of this war, and a year later, and even two weeks ago, everyone attacked me. Both sides of this are equally as bad, there is no morality to either, merely political control. Even the FSA has blood on its hands, even the "moderates" that the western forces have been training and arming. War isn't pretty and shit like this happens, but you have to realize that no faction in this represents the "good guys". To give the rebels some benefit, though, the FSA at least has a political charter that's not too terrible by western standards. They hardly follow it, but at least they're trying.
This isn't the worst execution I've seen the rebels carrying out. You do have to remember Assad did some terrible things, but this doesn't justify the beheadings some of the splinter factions have been doing. It's really not something we should have gotten involved in.
[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41631687]look at this neckbeard i bet you think like this because you were bullied in school.[/QUOTE] Right on the money ( At least according to my therapist)
[B] LovelyCyanide[/B] "[B]As a sadist[/B]" No words, Rust really brings the worst people. And even I consider myself a nihilist
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;41626353]They are rebels, what are they going to do with prisoners? Unless they can get them across the country to Turkey there isn't anywhere to keep them prisoner when they start running low on food, or need to retreat. Plus, holding prisoners in the ruins of a city takes up a lot of manpower because it's easy to escape. If you've been fighting a vicious civil war for the past 3 years and you capture half a battalion of fleeing enemy troops and your only options are; 1. Let them go so they can fight you again. 2. Shoot most of them and let a couple go if they share information. What are you going to pick?[/QUOTE] No offense, but the moment the rebels start holding land they essentially catapult themselves into an organisation that has certain obligations and that ought to observe certain obligations as well. The moment they don't, they tend to be classified as terrorists instead.
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