Demand For ‘The Interview’ Is Shooting Up In North Korea And Its Government Is Freaking Out - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rocko's;46818646]If this sparks some form of rebellion in North Korea[/QUOTE] This itself sounds like a script for interview 2 or something

[QUOTE=RelaxedCreepr;46820127]I really wonder what the actors think about this entire thing.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7_9ftToBjk[/media] Vice Interview

[QUOTE=antianan;46816833]True, but the problem is that north koreans simply don't have devices to watch these dvds, since computers and dvd players are banned there, as far as i know. Also, i'm pretty sure most people there would simply be scared to discuss a forbidden theme with someone because of the risk of being denounced.[/QUOTE] DVD players aren't illegal in North Korea and you vastly underestimate the black market there.

[QUOTE=Chrille;46820899]DVD players aren't illegal in North Korea and you vastly underestimate the black market there.[/QUOTE] What are people buying there on the black market? And how are they buying it with no money?

The content of the film completely disspells the authority of the Kim regime. This caused enough controversy in the west... Inside North korea it's a fucking time bomb. Even if it's seth rogan.

[QUOTE=Brandy92;46821031]The content of the film completely disspells the authority of the Kim regime. This caused enough controversy in the west... Inside North korea it's a fucking time bomb. Even if it's seth rogan.[/QUOTE] Maybe not... They've controlled 20 million people for 60+ years, this won't fuck it up entirely.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46821036]Maybe not... They've controlled 20 million people for 60+ years, this won't fuck it up entirely.[/QUOTE] You've just made me wonder if team America ever made its way into a north Korean dvd player...

It's interesting how a generic farts and butts comedy can have such political ramifications

[QUOTE=Glitchman;46821133]It's interesting how a generic farts and butts comedy can have such political ramifications[/QUOTE] Especially when the dear leader doesn't pee or poop

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46821025]What are people buying there on the black market? And how are they buying it with no money?[/QUOTE] You're assuming that all North Koreans are starving orphans in the street. The people who buy from the black market aren't just the peasants, it's the party officials and the elite families as well.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46821214]You're assuming that all North Koreans are starving orphans in the street. The people who buy from the black market aren't just the peasants, it's the party officials and the elite families as well.[/QUOTE] Good point. I'd be interested in reading some on their black market. Do you have anything good you can link me to?

[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;46817912]The fall of the USSR will most likely be completely different than that of the fall of the North Korean regime. The USSR disbanded relatively peacefully and member countries were allowed to control themselves autonomously without heavy handed outside influences from NATO countries. Not to mention Gorbachev willingly gave the power up after it was seen the USSR was disbanding and saw that he shouldn't be President of Russia to allow the country to move on and change itself into a democracy. North Korea on the other hand, unless the country somehow changes leaders and places a moderate much how Gorbachev was, then the country will either have a very bloody civil war that might drag in China and the US (unlikely for China to help.) or the country in either disparity or incompetence will trigger the cease fire of the Korean War to be void and get a conclusion of that fight. The final possible action is that the country goes through another famine like they did in the 90's this time the country simply implodes and it turns into a free for all. In either of these instances, America will somehow be interfering in someway (either overtly or covertly). After the bloodshed ends on the regimes downfall you will most likely see the US and ROK troops be stationed in North Korea as an occupational force to keep stability much like postwar Germany and Japan. North Korea has been under the boot of the Kim regime for over 80 years, so those people will have no idea on how to run a country with the current leaders either being dead, in prison awaiting trails against humanity, or in hiding. So the US and ROK setup a provisional government to let North Koreans get a taste of freedom and to see what politics will be coming forth. And you can be sure that no wanna be little Kim's are going to be winning the elections if the US and ROK have anything to do about it. And of course there is the thing of unifying both North and South Korea into one unified Korea. But, that is an entire debate on its own.[/QUOTE] That is a very likely possibility too, but there is also still a strong a possibility of failure within a newly established democracy. As soon as Russia changed over and we left everything all setup for the Russians, people like Putin appeared. We didn't put a stop to that unfortunately. The Russians found Putin appealing for the fact that he was (like most dictators) a strong nationalist. He presented himself as an image that everyone there wanted. I'd like to recall specific words from Machiavelli's Morals of a Prince to support this. "Hence a prince should take great care never to drop a word that does not seem imbued with the five good qualities noted above; to anyone who sees or hears him, [U]he should appear all compassion, all honor, all humanity all integrity, all religion. Nothing is more necessary than to seem to have this last virtue. Men in general judge more by the sense of sight than by the sense of touch[/U], because everyone can see but only a few can test by feeling. [U]Everyone sees what you seem to be, few know what you really are; and those few do not dare take a stand against the general opinion[/U], supported by the majesty of the government. In the actions of all men, and especially of princes who are not subject to a court of appeal, we must always look to the end. Let a prince, therefore, win victories and uphold his state; his methods will always be considered worthy, and everyone will praise them, because [U]the masses are always impressed by the superficial appearance of things[/U]" Masses in general are usually foolish and the majority of the time will take things for face value from people who seek power. Hitler gained power by appearing to the people as a strong nationalist too. (And we forced Germany to move to a democracy after WWI.) We didn’t prevent Putin or Hitler from reaching power, because we usually fail to tend to the fire. So when we think of instances of what would happen to NK after its fall, I predict that only the ROK would step in to elections to prevent tyrants from reaching high positions of power. (The U.S. is not always the most reliable when it comes to preventing evil regimes from establishing themselves.) Now let’s go into a more important part of the picture. What if China remained stubborn after all the bloodshed and was still hell-bent on rebuilding another Kim regime to keep a capitalist nation from sitting on their border? They definitely pose as a powerful threat against the U.S. and I can only imagine how difficult it would be to actually defeat them in this scenario. It’s likely that we would not even be able to establish a democracy to begin with because they’d be doing their damnedest to prevent that. This leads me to an even greater subject now that’s I’ve mentioned this. How serious is this entire issue in general? Very serious. China is essentially another U.S.S.R. backing up little Cuba (N.K.). Any nation of freedom would have one hell of a job to do in order to bring all the evils in the Far East down. Wait…this is all beginning to sound like the Cold War all over again doesn’t it? Excuse me for rambling on as I have in this post, but let me basically summarize all the things that would keep us from bringing down and preventing another Kimmy regime in North Korea. We’d have to get around the issue of foolish masses (I.E. Tend to the fire, which we have failed to do in the past) and foreign enemies (We have to defeat them before we even get started on the establishment of a new democracy in N.K.).

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46821222]Good point. I'd be interested in reading some on their black market. Do you have anything good you can link me to?[/QUOTE] Read this article by [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yeon-mi-park-the-hopes-of-north-koreas-black-market-generation/2014/05/25/dcab911c-dc49-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html"]Yeon-mi Park[/URL] who is a DPRK refugee. She goes into some detail about the black market. The reason black markets even exist is a testament to the difference between Korea under Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un. Juche, which was Jong-il's politcal thesis of a self reliant Korea was at least functioning well enough to feed (most of) the people. All of that started to change after the Arduous March in the 1990's, because up to that point, selling things for profit was very illegal and met with harsh punishments. During the famine the government practically shut down the public distribution system, so in order to survive, people set up illegal black markets in order to buy and sell food and clothes and because they had no other choice the party ignored it. Now the black market has spread past what the peasants intended it to be and it now not only supplies movies and other banned political material but it also supplies it to almost everyone. The villagers use it, the elite, even the army and police who should be shutting it down use it. So many Koreans have been effected by this little slice of capitalism that their generation is called Jangmadang, the black market generation. This is huge politically because there is now a certain segment of the population that has political ideals that counters the party. Jong-il had a unified Korea, one people, united and homogeneous. Jong-un inherited a Korea were the young were taught that if you wanted to be fed, rely on yourself and sell goods at market, don't wait for Dear Leader. Then they used their disposable income, that they got from the market, to buy things like laptops and tv's so they could watch South Korean movies and television. All of these things put together is killing North Korea, sadly, because we get almost no news from there we have no idea how fast the party's influence is declining. My uneducated opinion is that within our lifetimes we will be able to see the North and South at peace.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46821834]Read this article by [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yeon-mi-park-the-hopes-of-north-koreas-black-market-generation/2014/05/25/dcab911c-dc49-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html"]Yeon-mi Park[/URL] who is a DPRK refugee. She goes into some detail about the black market. The reason black markets even exist is a testament to the difference between Korea under Kim Jong-il and Kim Jong-un. Juche, which was Jong-il's politcal thesis of a self reliant Korea was at least functioning well enough to feed (most of) the people. All of that started to change after the Arduous March in the 1990's, because up to that point, selling things for profit was very illegal and met with harsh punishments. During the famine the government practically shut down the public distribution system, so in order to survive, people set up illegal black markets in order to buy and sell food and clothes and because they had no other choice the party ignored it. Now the black market has spread past what the peasants intended it to be and it now not only supplies movies and other banned political material but it also supplies it to almost everyone. The villagers use it, the elite, even the army and police who should be shutting it down use it. So many Koreans have been effected by this little slice of capitalism that their generation is called Jangmadang, the black market generation. This is huge politically because there is now a certain segment of the population that has political ideals that counters the party. Jong-il had a unified Korea, one people, united and homogeneous. Jong-un inherited a Korea were the young were taught that if you wanted to be fed, rely on yourself and sell goods at market, don't wait for Dear Leader. Then they used their disposable income, that they got from the market, to buy things like laptops and tv's so they could watch South Korean movies and television. All of these things put together is killing North Korea, sadly, because we get almost no news from there we have no idea how fast the party's influence is declining. My uneducated opinion is that within our lifetimes we will be able to see the North and South at peace.[/QUOTE] Is there a weapons black market there? I know protecting oneself is forbidden in North Korea.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46821025]What are people buying there on the black market? And how are they buying it with no money?[/QUOTE] South Korean entertainment, primarily. I don't know how they finance it, but here's a pretty good study: [url]http://www.audiencescapes.org/sites/default/files/A_Quiet_Opening_FINAL_InterMedia.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46821926]Is there a weapons black market there? I know protecting oneself is forbidden in North Korea.[/QUOTE] Sadly I'm not too educated on weapons and things like that, so I tend to overlook that kind of stuff. I have a more economic mind so that's how I look at things. I'll try to answer as best as I can. I do know that most of the smuggling into North Korea is done from China, and it's hard, but not impossible, for an individual to obtain a firearm in China if they really want to. However, one single handgun is a mile from one person trying to obtain 100 handguns, and I can't even imagine how hard getting automatic weapons in China is. And all that work is just to own them, now you've got to smuggle them, which is going to be so much harder than smuggling a little purse filled with USB's. Mostly because when a guard stops you, because he knows you're smuggling something (why else would you be on the Chinese border?) you can't just give him a USB filled with porn to look the other way. I can also say that the younger generation isn't homogeneous, I'm sure at LEAST 50% of the Koreans born after 1994, still revere the Kim dynasty. So to be absolutely optimistic, let's say that 50% of the Jangmadang are against Jong-un, while the rest of their generation, and all of their elders are violently and totally support Jong-un. Even if we continue to be optimistic, and 100% of the people who are against Jong-un take up arms against him, and not a single one of them chooses not to fight due to their family and friends being on the other end of the bayonet, they would still lose before news of a rebellion even reaches us. I think if we really want to help North Korea we should keep smuggling in dvd's of "The real housewives of New Jersey", and when the people are ready, they will naturally open their borders and become a mixed economy like China. The important thing is to ensure that nothing is forced, and that most importantly the United States and China stay as far away from it as possible.

Looks like the game Homefront will end up being our military's training simulator for next Korean War. :v: Glad I prepared for this shit. On another note, I hope the smuggling of western goods like these increases.

Dont forget that what sustains the regime nowadays is the military... Are all those old dogs going to let their power fade away? Maybe, in another generation things will change (without violence ofc). But for now....let's hope for the best