World Trade Center regains title of tallest building in New York - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;35791793]Remains were ejected down the road from the jet crashing into it. Far enough that they were not covered by falling debris. If you're truly curious, talk to Codemonkey3.[/QUOTE] oh god now i dont want to know

[QUOTE=beanhead;35788703]no love for 2 WTC (1 WTC is the one in the OP) [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tower22.jpg[/IMG] Its going to knock the Empire state building down one more step being the 2nd tallest building in the Western Hemisphere[/QUOTE] What about CN Tower?

To add on to the previous debate, I was in first grade during the WTC attacks and have memories of watching it on TV, live, but I did not understand the significance of the attacks until much later. I am now 17.

[QUOTE=smurfy;35799728]What about CN Tower?[/QUOTE] CN Tower is the tallest free standing structure in the western hemisphere. (and third tallest tower in the world) It doesn't compare because the CN Tower is not technically a 'building'. it does not have floors continuously from the ground, and therefore it is not considered a building by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat More info here. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CN_Tower#Controversy_over_the_.22world.27s_tallest.22_title[/url]

[QUOTE=beanhead;35791716]I dont think they needed a special cleaner to clean up the bodies and more the metric fuckton of building on top of it?[/QUOTE] just look around in the "photos that shook the world" thread and see the picture of the streets after the attacks.

[QUOTE=OvB;35791793]Remains were ejected down the road from the jet crashing into it. Far enough that they were not covered by falling debris. If you're truly curious, talk to Codemonkey3.[/QUOTE] What exactly was ejected down the road?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35788491]While the government has stepped on certain rights and certain security measures are excessive, day to day life in America is the same as it was pre 911. Most people go on with their lives each day without even thinking about the possibility of terrorism.[/quote] Attitudes and culture has changed. You can never change day to day activities, but that doesn't define a society. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;35791355]Hey uninformed Jackass, it's not named the Freedom Tower, it's the One World Trade Center. It's simply a nickname coined by the workers building it. Quit being such a fucking stuck-up asshole and get it together you hipster. Google is there for a reason. Also? I'm fucking fed up with people who think that this shit wasn't a big deal. Go to youtube and watch the videos of people fucking hitting the godammed GROUND because they jumped from the 50th+ story. There was so much torn up gore and blood from all the people that jumped off that hit awning and the streets they had to get specialized cleaners to pick it all up. Think about all of the fire fighters who went in their to try and save all of those people, only to see another plan smack right into where they were headed. I know I'm going to get a shit load of boxes, but you know what? When you watch someone from your country on live news jump out of a building that just had an 80 ton jet run into the side of it, and then watch a firefighter try to catch a jumper only to get killed by the speed of their falling body on LIVE NEWS. Then we'll talk. And yeah, it's a fucking nice tower.[/QUOTE] not to say it isn't tragic, but saying a handful of people died more gruesomely than the rest doesn't have any impact on it and describing it in detail doesn't effect that. So you can stop tugging heart strings, it won't win anyone over.

[QUOTE=faze;35800843]What exactly was ejected down the road?[/QUOTE] Body parts. Remains. The area was a goddamn graveyard for days after the attacks. Weeks, even.

[QUOTE=samframpton;35773626]I still don't understand why they decided to not just rebuild the towers as their original design, obviously they're trying to convey a message by calling it "freedom tower", what sends a stronger message than the original building design?[/QUOTE] I can see why, a lot of people might not want constant reminders of the two that fell in 2001.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...

There's got to be a point where height is bad... Can't we just start building fatter towers 40 stories high or something, then start connecting them. Deus Ex comes to mind

[QUOTE=OvB;35791793]Remains were ejected down the road from the jet crashing into it. Far enough that they were not covered by falling debris. If you're truly curious, talk to Codemonkey3.[/QUOTE] Codemonkey3 is here. Although the distance some of those remains traveled was an issue another big issue was the size of the destruction and the death toll. You have Thousands of people within an acre of space dismembered and thrown apart. They were buried in debris, jammed inside I-beams, skinned alive on the way down over acres of land. Remains ejected from the towers were spread over several blocks, they were on roofs, in drains, in bushes [i]everywhere.[/i] It wasn't "Okay, we have to find 2,606 bodies." because each body was so severely destroyed that there was thousands of pieces to each individual body they had to find. The smell of rotting corpses was present for months and it took years to find and dispose of remains that were big enough to find, much less fragments that could still have DNA which means another family given closure. Only a couple of years ago they found remains in sewer drains and on the roof of buildings nearby. The scale of carnage was part of the reason body cleanup was such a hassle. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=beanhead;35791813]oh god now i dont want to know[/QUOTE] What would you like to know?

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35802369]Codemonkey3 is here. Although the distance some of those remains traveled was an issue another big issue was the size of the destruction and the death toll. You have Thousands of people within an acre of space dismembered and thrown apart. They were buried in debris, jammed inside I-beams, skinned alive on the way down over acres of land. Remains ejected from the towers were spread over several blocks, they were on roofs, in drains, in bushes [i]everywhere.[/i] It wasn't "Okay, we have to find 2,606 bodies." because each body was so severely destroyed that there was thousands of pieces to each individual body they had to find. The smell of rotting corpses was present for months and it took years to find and dispose of remains that were big enough to find, much less fragments that could still have DNA which means another family given closure. Only a couple of years ago they found remains in sewer drains and on the roof of buildings nearby. The scale of carnage was part of the reason body cleanup was such a hassle. [/QUOTE] Oh dear God that's horrible. How do you know these things? I actually am intrigued enough to read up on this.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;35776153]lmao 11 years later people still put up the walls and cry "too soon" about 9/11 people joke about genocide, rape, disease, murder, cannibalism, incest, racism and sexism but god forbid anyone dare talk about 9/11[/QUOTE] Kopimi may deserve to be assassinated, but as far as this goes he's got a point It was fucking [b]eleven years ago[/b]. You're damn right it was tragic but it was also a long time ago. Most of the people who refuse to talk about 9/11 don't even know anybody who died in the attack. Now those people who [b]did[/b] lose someone in the attack can be offended when you make a 9/11 joke - it's pretty much the same as making a joke about someone who died any other way. But everyone else in this country needs to fucking get over it already.

[QUOTE=faze;35802521]Oh dear God that's horrible. How do you know these things? I actually am intrigued enough to read up on this.[/QUOTE] I have thousands of images, most of them graphic. Hundreds of eye witness and survivor stories and I'm friends with a number of people who were there that day. Most of them are still shell shocked and don't want to talk about it at all like my friend who was in the Port Authority but I have another friend who was there to visit a friend (who died in the North Tower) and saw a lot of the Jumpers and carnage. He is actually more vocal about what happened to him if you want to read; [QUOTE] I had a friend that worked in the North Tower at an investment firm. Wont get into the names too much, his family still has a hard road to go because of dumbshits like the "Let's drool crew", and they still get stupid shits saying rather coldhearted things to them or in their presence and I do not wish to add to that. Started as a "road trip" I guess you could say. Had talked to Todd a few days after the 1st of September, and told him we were coming that direction. As you can guess he was rather proud to work at the WTC, and rightfuly so. The guy was very intelligent. He was a friend that I looked at like " This guy has his shit going for him, he's a hard worker, has a good heart, and can take his life anywhere he wants to, what does he see in ME that has him consider me a friend ? " That was just Todd's nature though. I am sure you have seen people that glorify people after they have died, but it wasn't that way with Todd, he was a good man before and after death. He had been working there about 6 months, and said he would still get confused about the WTC complex because it was a city within a city, but I think that was more of a joke. I don't travel much, and never really liked big crowds. Todd was a friend though, and since we were going that direction, I overcame my feelings about big crowds to see what hand life had dealt him. He would have done the same for me. We stopped at a hotel we could afford on the Jersey side overnight. We wanted to make the time count and left out early. I am very dense at times, and little sleep makes it even worse. After getting turned in circles a bit, we made it to Lower Manhattan, around 8:15. There were so many things to see, we did not know where to start. We went down into the lower levels under the WTC complex to the various stores. Todd was going to meet up with us at 9:15 am to show us the sights and sounds of the complex. While down there, a sound like a blevy explosion radiated through the complex. Not being sure of what it was, I was skeptical when someone said a plane hit. New Yorkers see all kinds of shit, and have seen just about everything you can imagine, and for that reason I was skeptical. I thought a plane hit ? Why is everyone not going apeshit ? Some looked worried, others acted like it was no big deal. More and more people were saying it was deffitnetly a plane, and a shop keeper started handing out disposable cameras. He knew it was going to be a big deal, a historic deal. He told people to take all the pictures they could, and I listened. Not sure how many others took him seriously, but I did. They started getting people out as quick as they could, and started sending people up the stairs to higher levels. BANG BANG What the fuck ? BANG "It's bombs, they are trying to kill us all !" said one person. People were starting to freak out after that. BANG BANG BANG " That is no fucking bomb. " Said a man. " Well what the fuck is it ? " she asked. " Not sure, but it's no bomb. " Boooomm!!!!!!!!! " That was a bomb !! " he said. People were really uneasy now, then a person said it was another plane. As you can imagine, there started to a different feeling in the air. Now it was no accident, it was intentional. BANG BANG They kept getting louder the futher up we went. Starting up the stairs to the plaza level, people screamed and jumped back. That is when I knew exactly what we were hearing. As we were getting closer, some were not really aware of what was going on. You could see the plaza out the windows, and there was debris everywhere. A woman was kind of puzzled looking out, and a cop told us not to look out the windows. When someone tells you something like that, what is the first thing you do ? You look out. If there was any doubt left, it quickly vanished. BOOOOOOM Right before your eyes, you see a man explode on impact. His blood came out in a mist, and parts went everywhere. We were all kind of stunned, and did not have time to process what just happened when another hit. The ones that hit further out were the same EVERYTIME. The difference was there were several people that hit right beside the towers, and their blood kept spraying the windows like spraypaint. Each one added another "layer" to the windows. Some did not want to realize what they had just seen and were in shock. A heavy set woman landed between the musicstage and facade and covered almost 3 windows. Just when I thought it could not get worse, a pregnant woman hit. She landed right hip first, and exploded everywhere, along with her unborn child. After that, things got really fuzzy. All of it was horrible to see, but seeing that baby explode that way has fucked my head up. I remember being in some sort of a daze, shock, whatever you call it. I remember coming out at ground level close to the towers, but not right at them. I looked up in time to see a man hit the corner of the Marriot Hotel and explode, though his limbs hit the concrete with enough force to still be felt about 50 feet away. Then another, and another and another. After seeing a couple more fall between the North Tower and Marriot, my brain went in to autopilot I guess. All of it was so fucked up, it took my mind off of why I was there to begin with. Todd. Walking away from the WTC complex, I was worried about him, and had no clue what happened to him. After both collapses, I did not have to wonder anymore, I knew my friend was dead.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] I was talking to a woman that was there that day, and she told me some interesting, but troubling things. She said there was a man and woman speared together with a part of the builing facade that came down when Flight 11 hit the North Tower. She asked me if I had seen them, and I told her no. She thought, but was not sure, that they were co-workers that had started dating, and since that sort of thing is not exactly accepted in some places, they were sneaking and giving each other a kiss when it happened. She said a piece of steel as big around as the steel that trains roll on went through both of them, and then stuck into the concrete as well. She said she saw them standing there with the piece of steel sticking through them both, and it was actually holding them up off the ground. She did see the same woman I saw that had been crushed by a piece of the facade that fell though. It landed on her, and because it had forward momentum, it ground her up as it was scooting across the ground. I remember seeing her and people in front of us said she was married. I remember thinking how can they know that ? Then I saw what they meant. As badly as she was destroyed, her left hand was normal looking, and she had a wedding ring on her left hand.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Some think that is a joke, but it isn't. You could look out the windows and see different things scattered. Some things were tiny, but you could tell that they were of human origin, like small pieces of skin, a finger, toe, and you could see several teeth scattered about. Then you could see these rather odd looking white, round balls every so often. I remember one female cop that looked out and stared trying to figure out what different things were. Her gaze kept falling a paticular place, and expression remained puzzled looking. That did not last long. They were moving people through at a decent pace, which was amazing to me considering the events, and number of people there. You would see people carrying others, or two would get a shoulder and walk them out. One poor woman's foot was cut very badly, and we were clearing a way so she could go ahead of us. This was going on while the female cop was looking out the windows. Then we heard a sound that was..............a mixture of sounds ? It was a bang, splat, and a crunching sound, that is the only way I can decsribe it. The sound is troubling, almost as much as the visuals, and in some ways worse. As a few were gazing out the windows, a poor black man came down feet first, though his knees were bent. The tips of his toes hit first, then his knees, then his body and arms. When his head hit, it shot both of his eyeballs out and one hit the window in front of the cop. She screamed a scream that would make chills run up your spine. The eyeball hit the window, and slowly slid down the glass leaving a trail as it did. It sound bizzare, I know it does. But it happened. Strange a body can hit with enough force to explode and destroy it's self, and blood comes out in a mist and it looks like hamburger meat laying there with bone marrow and fatty tissue clumped up. Yet the eyeballs remained for the most part intact.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] There was a lot of bad shit to see that day. Some people made it down the stairs from areas that had caught fire, and the only way to describe it is the skin melted, and had come off like a glove. They were in agony, yet they still stayed focused enough to tell first responders where they had come from, and if anyone else was up there or not. Some people that had been outside, quite aways from the North Tower where hit by glass and metal and were bloody from head to toe. They were walking around as if they were in a daze. I guess they were in shock. Glass continuously fell from the upper floors of both towers, from people breaking them for air, and glass in the frames of windows above and around the impact got hot and shattered. You could see it and hear it hit the ground around the towers. A man said his friend had a piece of glass fall on him, and it was still hot enough to leave a 3rd degree burn on the back part of his neck. I don't doubt that either, there was shit all over the plaza burning, plane seats, clothes, all kinds of debris. It looked like a body or two was burning as well. I remember looking towards the Northeast corner in the North Tower, just outside the windows on the concrete. There was what was left of tan colored kakis, and a light blue long sleeved dress shirt. After you looked at it for a second, you could see that there was part of someone still in them. The clothes were tattered and ripped up, but you could still tell what they were. You could see a shoe every now and then that still had a foot inside of it. One sight that was strange to see, and took a minute to realize what it was, was an upside down jawbone that had a couple of teeth still in it. It had some of the skin still covering it, but was upside down. You could tell it was human by looking at it, but then it set in what it was. The thing was, there were so many parts scattered out all over the place, you could not tell what belonged to who. Even if the towers had not collapsed, it would have taken a long time to gather the parts and try to figure out what went where, and with whom it belonged to.[/QUOTE] If you're still interested read 'Photos That Shook the World' from this post on and I made a number of posts including pictures, stories and answered some questions. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1177975?p=35630292&viewfull=1#post35630292[/url]

[QUOTE=MIPS;35773583]I like how it took them longer to build one tower than it did the old two.[/QUOTE] Had to hide the built in explosives better.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35802562]I have thousands of images, most of them graphic. Hundreds of eye witness and survivor stories and I'm friends with a number of people who were there that day. Most of them are still shell shocked and don't want to talk about it at all like my friend who was in the Port Authority but I have another friend who was there to visit a friend (who died in the North Tower) and saw a lot of the Jumpers and carnage. He is actually more vocal about what happened to him if you want to read; If you're still interested read 'Photos That Shook the World' from this post on and I made a number of posts including pictures, stories and answered some questions. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1177975?p=35630292&viewfull=1#post35630292[/url][/QUOTE] A fucking pregnant woman? What the fuck.... I could only imagine the PTSD people are suffering from this. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcDxITIxmhY[/media] Holy fuck this sent a chill up my spine.

[QUOTE=faze;35802660]A fucking pregnant woman? What the fuck.... I could only imagine the PTSD people are suffering from this. [/QUOTE] There are still a lot of people I know that are fucked up from it. Somebody even says 9/11 around here, and you wind up going into hour long conversations about where you were and what happened that day. Hell, I still say the most surreal moment of my life was coming home with my mom and seeing papers flying down everywhere. I live in South Brooklyn, miles away from the site, and the area was covered with burned papers. Some ash, too. If it was that bad here, I don't even want to imagine what some of my friends and family had to deal with at the site. [editline]2nd May 2012[/editline] Wow, this went from discussing the tower to something completely...horrifying, damn fast.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;35803075]There are still a lot of people I know that are fucked up from it. Somebody even says 9/11 around here, and you wind up going into hour long conversations about where you were and what happened that day. Hell, I still say the most surreal moment of my life was coming home with my mom and seeing papers flying down everywhere. I live in South Brooklyn, miles away from the site, and the area was covered with burned papers. Some ash, too. If it was that bad here, I don't even want to imagine what some of my friends and family had to deal with at the site.[/QUOTE] Wow...shit made it to Brooklyn? That's insane. Another video... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkWNHSG3MY&feature=related[/media]

[QUOTE=faze;35803112]Wow...shit made it to Brooklyn? That's insane. Another video... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkWNHSG3MY&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Everywhere, people were finding bits and pieces from all over the area.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35802562]I have thousands of images, most of them graphic. Hundreds of eye witness and survivor stories and I'm friends with a number of people who were there that day. Most of them are still shell shocked and don't want to talk about it at all like my friend who was in the Port Authority but I have another friend who was there to visit a friend (who died in the North Tower) and saw a lot of the Jumpers and carnage. [/QUOTE] My grandfather worked in the NJ/NY Port Authority from the 70's-late 90's, he did alot of work on those towers. Many close friends of his, and family friends we're lost that day. At the time I lived in New Jersey about 5 mins from the GWB, I was in the city during a class trip ontop of the empire state building when the attack started I was using a view finder checkin out tower 1's antenna. Scariest part of that day was we we're suppose to go to the WTC first on our trip but the order changed.

[QUOTE=Delta616;35804675]My grandfather worked in the NJ/NY Port Authority from the 70's-late 90's, he did alot of work on those towers. Many close friends of his, and family friends we're lost that day. At the time I lived in New Jersey about 5 mins from the GWB, I was in the city during a class trip ontop of the empire state building when the attack started I was using a view finder checkin out tower 1's antenna. Scariest part of that day was we we're suppose to go to the WTC first on our trip but the order changed.[/QUOTE] Whoever changed the schedule around, saved your life. Damn that's lucky.

[QUOTE=Kymandu;35804721]Whoever changed the schedule around, saved your life. Damn that's lucky.[/QUOTE] I think some delay in a musical we were suppose to go to on Broadway was responsible.

To be honest, this kinda proves America hasn't learned from their past. Building a new taller, fancier World Trade Center is kinda bad. No offence America.

[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;35808791]To be honest, this kinda proves America hasn't learned from their past. Building a new taller, fancier World Trade Center is kinda bad. No offence America.[/QUOTE] What...? That sentence doesn't even make sense. How is building a new tower bad?

[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;35808791]To be honest, this kinda proves America hasn't learned from their past. Building a new taller, fancier World Trade Center is kinda bad. No offence America.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. It's saying "Fuck you Taliban, we won't stand for your 'peaceful' bullshit."

[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;35808791]To be honest, this kinda proves America hasn't learned from their past. Building a new taller, fancier World Trade Center is kinda bad. No offence America.[/QUOTE] Uhhh, what? How fuck is not building new buildings going to make us learn from the past. That was the most moronic thing I read all day.

"From here forth Congress passes Resolution 2131: Learn From Our Past. Under this bill all skyscrapers must be constructed underground." If only we had learned!

[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;35808791]To be honest, this kinda proves America hasn't learned from their past. Building a new taller, fancier World Trade Center is kinda bad. No offence America.[/QUOTE] mindless bashing of the US. slick.