Russian actor wants to put all homosexuals 'in the oven' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;43210624]They're certainly not. It'll be a good long while until our people will understand that everyone should be equal. I still can't convince my family that "the gay" isn't a disease and homosexuals don't "convert" everybody around them. This bullshit belief is quite persistent and the church is enforcing it[/QUOTE] Yeah it is very bad, considering that the church and the goverment actively manipulate this position and enforce it. I even think that the actor might have said it to gain popularity among the masses (would be strange for Ohlobystin, he usually doesn't do shit like that, but who knows). But, as I see it, the situation was wrong, say, 5 years ago. Many people already accept that "gay is ok as long as I am not involved". I think it's changing for the better due to western influence.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210653]Opinions can't be right either. They are only right or wrong from your point of view. So, should I take action against everyone with a different opinion? I honestly don't see how I can reveal the light to that russian actor by calling him names on the internet. It's his opinion. Criticize it all you want, it changes nothing. As long as he is not taking any action or trying to make others take action towards killing gays it does not matter. At all. By "half of russian population thinks that way" I mean that everyone says stuff like that and nobody cares, but suddenly a celebrity says it and it's somehow a tragedy. That's not for justifying what he said. I am just saying that he can say all he wants and it changes nothing, why care?[/QUOTE] Ill make it really fucking simple for you. You take distance to people who advocate extermination of people they dont agree with. Or it should be automatically assumed youre either a coward or agreeing with them. there, simple as that.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;43210661]you lose the right to voice your opinion when you start advocating the death of minorities tbh. This isn't "just an opinion" It's a dangerous mindset that has time and time again been shown to cause gratuitous levels of death.[/QUOTE] If he kills someone you can shout at me and I won't say a word. Until then he can't be accused of anything.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210672]If he kills someone you can shout at me and I won't say a word. Until then he can't be accused of anything.[/QUOTE] "Hmm he's not doing anything illegal so what he's advocating is ok" [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] and you can accuse him of something. Being a bigot

How can you guys not love an ortodox actor businessman priest of pure metal? [img]http://www.newizv.ru/images/photos/big/20040409191302_17_1b.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.golddisk.ru/people_photos/80/8065/big/8065_c5f90f53a51dc42dc008c2be07ca446b.jpg[/img] [img]http://v.img.com.ua/b/600x500/c/7d/b14110735603bbf02ff8b30adaa3c7dc.jpg[/img] [img]http://plitkar.com.ua/files/2012/01/13/1259245031_ohlob.jpg[/img] [sp]Yes, this is sarcastic[/sp]

so you're defending him because you have a gay mancrush on him? [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] he's not your type [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] he might ask you to do the cooking

I am sorry that I caused this argue. Let's agree that the actors views on homosexuality are fucked, as it seems to be the only thing we agree on, and stop fighting.

just don't clean the oven when he tells you too

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210653]Opinions can't be right either. They are only right or wrong from your point of view.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about exactly? They can be right or wrong if you think morally. "Gay people deserve to be treated equally" is morally a right opinion since it promotes tolerance and equality "Gay people should be burned in ovens" is wrong morally. If I have to explain why, then you probably should mature enough to realize that wanting to kill people in any way is wrong. [QUOTE]So, should I take action against everyone with a different opinion? [/QUOTE] No, feel free to point out where I suggested that though. [QUOTE]I honestly don't see how I can reveal the light to that russian actor by calling him names on the internet. It's his opinion. Criticize it all you want, it changes nothing. [/QUOTE] That's a stupid mindset. Criticizing opinions is something most people do when they are faced with a stupidly illogical opinion. No, it won't suddenly change the world, but it will do more than sitting back and having people unashamedly think "Man, I sure hate those people that are different." and not having any response to show that what they think is idiotic. [QUOTE]As long as he is not taking any action or trying to make others take action towards killing gays it does not matter. At all. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]A Russian actor best known for announcing a run for his country's presidency[/QUOTE] He tried to run for presidency with a mind set of "I hate gays". I'll let what could have happened had he won sink in. [QUOTE]By "half of russian population thinks that way" I mean that everyone says stuff like that and nobody cares, but suddenly a celebrity says it and it's somehow a tragedy.[/QUOTE] Celebrities are held to a higher standard than your average idiot on the street thinking gay people should be killed. People look up to them and idolize them. [QUOTE]That's not for justifying what he said. I am just saying that he can say all he wants and it changes nothing, why care?[/QUOTE] The world is changing to be more accommodating to everyone who is not on equal terms. If you want Russia to slip behind and become hated by the rest of the world for being generalized as gay hating bigots then feel free to keep justifying him saying this.

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[QUOTE=Kyle902;43210714]so you're defending him because you have a gay mancrush on him? [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] he's not your type [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] he might ask you to do the cooking[/QUOTE] [i]~I want him to fill my oven~[/i]

wtf [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] JESUS CHRIST [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210726][i]~I want him to fill my oven~[/i][/QUOTE] actually I'm p. sure he wants to fill his oven with you. Hope he doesn't have gas

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43210723]What are you talking about exactly? They can be right or wrong if you think morally. "Gay people deserve to be treated equally" is morally a right opinion since it promotes tolerance and equality "Gay people should be burned in ovens" is wrong morally. If I have to explain why, then you probably should mature enough to realize that wanting to kill people in any way is wrong. [/QUOTE] You are talking about morality like it's a thing set in stone. In fact it's VERY usbjective and your morals are different from mine. You can like tolerance and equality, but you can't say it's right. It's only right to you. I am saying that the savages killing gays are using the same justification. They say being gay is immoral. Go on and try to argue with them. They are as right as you are and as wrong as you are. It's like arguing about one music genre being better then the other. Wanting to kill people in any way is wrong, I agree. But what do you suggest? What glorious action should I take to save humanity from that monster?

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210771]You are talking about morality like it's a thing set in stone. In fact it's VERY usbjective and your morals are different from mine. You can like tolerance and equality, but you can't say it's right. It's only right to you. I am saying that the savages killing gays are using the same justification. They say being gay is immoral. Go on and try to argue with them. They are as right as you are and as wrong as you are. It's like arguing about one music genre being better then the other. Wanting to kill people in any way is wrong, I agree. But what do you suggest? What glorious action should I take to save humanity from that monster?[/QUOTE] One of these 'moralities' doesnt require the death of human beings, id say thats the superior one.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;43210777]One of these 'moralities' doesnt require the death of human beings, id say thats the superior one.[/QUOTE] This is why he is not the president, the gay live and we don't get a monthly holocaust. It's really superior in terms of effectivity, for the time being. That's why we can sleep well because no russian actor is repeating holocaust any time soon.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210771]You are talking about morality like it's a thing set in stone. In fact it's VERY usbjective and your morals are different from mine. You can like tolerance and equality, but you can't say it's right. It's only right to you. I am saying that the savages killing gays are using the same justification. They say being gay is immoral. Go on and try to argue with them. They are as right as you are and as wrong as you are. It's like arguing about one music genre being better then the other. Wanting to kill people in any way is wrong, I agree. But what do you suggest? What glorious action should I take to save humanity from that monster?[/QUOTE] this is the mindset that causes the problem to continue FYI. Morality may be "arbitrary" but the concepts behind it are based on human emotion and instincts.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210798]This is why he is not the president, the gay live and we don't get a monthly holocaust. It's really superior in terms of effectivity, for the time being. That's why we can sleep well because no russian actor is repeating holocaust any time soon.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you think great social clusterfucks like religious slaughter of minorities happen? Well ill tell you, A sector of the population give power to some sort of radical person or movement, and if the moderates keep their mouthes shut, nothing will stop them.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;43210812]How the fuck do you think great social clusterfucks like religious slaughter of minorities happen? Well ill tell you, A sector of the population give power to some sort of radical person or movement, and if the moderates keep their mouthes shut, nothing will stop them.[/QUOTE] Are we giving him power or anything?

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210820]Are we giving him power or anything?[/QUOTE] isnt he a fucking celebrity?

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210771]You are talking about morality like it's a thing set in stone. In fact it's VERY usbjective and your morals are different from mine. You can like tolerance and equality, but you can't say it's right. It's only right to you.[/QUOTE] Actually, it socially is right. If you are against tolerance and equality, you aren't any better than some of the most evil people to have lived who honestly believed different people should be killed for being different, and that qualities they possessed made them superior to everyone else. [QUOTE]I am saying that the savages killing gays are using the same justification. They say being gay is immoral. Go on and try to argue with them. They are as right as you are and as wrong as you are. It's like arguing about one music genre being better then the other.[/QUOTE] That's an awful comparison, seriously. Tell me when musical preferences resulted in people thinking about genocide. I can wait. [QUOTE]Wanting to kill people in any way is wrong, I agree. But what do you suggest? What glorious action should I take to save humanity from that monster?[/QUOTE] Action that would work on producing real equality begins with people taking note it's wrong and a serious issue that people are treated differently. By thinking that people like this guy are entitled to thinking that genocide based on difference is an infallible opinion and can't be criticized, you honestly are part of the problem. People still think it's okay to treat people differently based on sexual preference or things like race and culture, and outcry against those opinions are where the fight for equality begins.

At least he's already in t-pose for when we want to make GMod ragdolls of him.

[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;43210820]Are we giving him power or anything?[/QUOTE] You're giving him the power to be a bigoted idiot by defending him.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;43208833]Of course he's in a mingebag pose[/QUOTE] He even reminds of Kleiner a little bit with the hair and glasses. All we need is for somebody to photoshop the Physgun coming out of his crotch.

Literally Hitler.

Another bond villan

[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;43210858]Actually, it socially is right. If you are against tolerance and equality, you aren't any better than some of the most evil people to have lived who honestly believed different people should be killed for being different, and that qualities they possessed made them superior to everyone else. That's an awful comparison, seriously. Tell me when musical preferences resulted in people thinking about genocide. I can wait. Action that would work on producing real equality begins with people taking note it's wrong and a serious issue that people are treated differently. By thinking that people like this guy are entitled to thinking that genocide based on difference is an infallible opinion and can't be criticized, you honestly are part of the problem. People still think it's okay to treat people differently based on sexual preference or things like race and culture, and outcry against those opinions are where the fight for equality begins.[/QUOTE] People are entitled to their opinions, and you are entitled to opinions about other people's opinions. He is right, however, that morality and evilness are subjective things.

lmao like straight people can cook probably going to actually just put us in the microwave

See you fellow bis at the sauna

[QUOTE=Pako;43214608]See you fellow bis at the sauna[/QUOTE] The place were Russian men put it in each other's "ovens"

As a bisexual; would I then go into the microwave-oven as a compromise?