[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;18276924]Normally I'd cheer for the country that isn't Communist, but at this point I can't tell.[/QUOTE]
Venezuela is not Communist.
[QUOTE=Warhol;18284760]Venezuela is not Communist.[/QUOTE]
But it is socialist :eng101:
it'd be disappointing to see yet [i]another[/i] US militaristic intervention in latin america supporting far-right governments.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18284809]it'd be disappointing to see yet [i]another[/i] US militaristic intervention in latin america supporting far-right governments.[/QUOTE]
Everyone believes that WW III would begin in the Mid East, yet no one expected it to start in South America :hist101:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18284774]But it is socialist :eng101:[/QUOTE]
And Statist! Meaning it could become either communist or fascist depending on the circumstances. :eng101:
EDIT:
Either way, it's authoritarian.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18284809]it'd be disappointing to see yet [i]another[/i] US militaristic intervention in latin america supporting far-right governments.[/QUOTE]
America supports whoever gives them the better deal.
Chavez has been traditionally anti-american.
Venezuela vs. Columbia. US proxy war, anyone?
[QUOTE=Wayword;18284908]America supports whoever gives them the better deal.
Chavez has been traditionally anti-american.[/QUOTE]
america supports whoever isn't against foreign dominance.
it had been this way since the early days of the cold war, and even before.
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[b]Prepare for battle![/b]
Does the Roosevelt Corollary still apply? :downs:
"All that this country desires is to see the neighboring countries stable, orderly, and prosperous. Any country whose people conduct themselves well can count upon our hearty friendship. If a nation shows that it knows how to act with reasonable efficiency and decency in social and political matters, if it keeps order and pays its obligations, it need fear no interference from the United States. Chronic wrongdoing, or an impotence which results in a general loosening of the ties of civilized society, may in America, as elsewhere, ultimately require intervention by some civilized nation, and in the Western Hemisphere the adherence of the United States to the Monroe Doctrine may force the United States, however reluctantly, in flagrant cases of such wrongdoing or impotence, to the exercise of an international police power."
/sarcasm
Why didn't someone assassinate Hugo already? Come on, it would save a lot of time and lives.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;18285186]Why didn't someone assassinate Hugo already? Come on, it would save a lot of time and lives.[/QUOTE]
Or instigate a war.
Oh wait, he's going to do that anyways.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18285039]america supports whoever isn't against foreign dominance.
it had been this way since the early days of the cold war, and even before.[/QUOTE]
Not foreign dominance, but foreign dependency on America.
America trades with people like Saddam Hussein. Guns and money for Iraq's oil.
Saddam used the guns to kill the Kurds, but America just turned a blind eye to that.
During the Iraq-Iran war, America supported Iraq making Iran seem like the enemy (even though Iraq invaded). The war is a failure and with pure destruction a large death toll Saddam decides to invade Kuwait to rebuild the economy half a decade later, but since America had more invested in Kuwait than Iraq, the gulf war came around and suddenly they're enemies.
Just goes to show you how fast America is willing to change it's friendships.
I hope Chavez wins, you can do it buddy :shobon:
of course it'd be better to just not have war
[QUOTE=Wayword;18285412]Not foreign dominance, but foreign dependency on America.
America trades with people like Saddam Hussein. Guns and money for Iraq's oil.
Saddam used the guns to kill the Kurds, but America just turned a blind eye to that.
During the Iraq-Iran war, America supported Iraq making Iran seem like the enemy (even though Iraq invaded). The war is a failure and with pure destruction a large death toll Saddam decides to invade Kuwait to rebuild the economy half a decade later, but since America had more invested in Kuwait than Iraq, the gulf war came around and suddenly they're enemies.
Just goes to show you how fast America is willing to change it's friendships.[/QUOTE]
You mean food for oil? I thought that was the program that was going on then.
But during the Iraq-Iran war, Iran had already pissed us off because of their revolution. Iraq hadn't done anything, so we'd obviously pick who we were angry least at.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18285482]You mean food for oil? I thought that was the program that was going on then.
But during the Iraq-Iran war, Iran had already pissed us off because of their revolution. Iraq hadn't done anything, so we'd obviously pick who we were angry least at.[/QUOTE]
No we were giving them guns and missiles and shit. There was a big controversy over reagan doing this.
(reagan was the worst president)
Where does the FARC factor into this?
[QUOTE=Wayword;18285412]Not foreign dominance, but foreign dependency on America.
America trades with people like Saddam Hussein. Guns and money for Iraq's oil.
Saddam used the guns to kill the Kurds, but America just turned a blind eye to that.
During the Iraq-Iran war, America supported Iraq making Iran seem like the enemy (even though Iraq invaded). The war is a failure and with pure destruction a large death toll Saddam decides to invade Kuwait to rebuild the economy half a decade later, but since America had more invested in Kuwait than Iraq, the gulf war came around and suddenly they're enemies.
Just goes to show you how fast America is willing to change it's friendships.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, US, and other countries', history is filled with examples such as this. Our trade and investments in foreign economies dominates our foreign policy. Interestingly, during 70's and 80's, when large scale socialist-led anti-colonialist/imperialist movements started appearing in africa, south america, etc. we had a stern and callous president, Ronald Reagan, who supported numerous far right groups and dictators, notoriously people like Augusto Pinochet or the contra groups.
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;18285640]Where does the FARC factor into this?[/QUOTE]
it doesn't, really. FARC is alienated from colombians and it lost its struggle years ago.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18285482]You mean food for oil? I thought that was the program that was going on then.
But during the Iraq-Iran war, Iran had already pissed us off because of their revolution. Iraq hadn't done anything, so we'd obviously pick who we were angry least at.[/QUOTE]
Well after the US and Iraq start trading, and Saddam comes to power, the Kurds start getting cleaned out by Saddam.
That right there is horrific in itself, and the US should've stopped trade, but they didn't.
But the US shouldn't have done anything during the Iraq-Iran war, and that is my point. Neither country posed any threat to the west directly. They decided to help their trade buddies out by attacking Iran. You could ask the question, where was the US in darfur?
You can't just say "we decided to help Iraq [an invading country] simply because Iran had a revolution"
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18285538]No we were giving them guns and missiles and shit. There was a big controversy over reagan doing this.
(reagan was the worst president)[/QUOTE]
I was told that Reagan didn't know about the Iran Contra affair and was only indirectly involved.
Also, this is about Chavez. Don't start a Reagan was great/horrible war, I want to see where this thread will go sticking to South America.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18285657]I was told that Reagan didn't know about the Iran Contra affair and was only indirectly involved.
Also, this is about Chavez. Don't start a Reagan was great/horrible war, I want to see where this thread will go sticking to South America.[/QUOTE]
You can't really limit the discussion from things such as Reagan, because that is a part of it. It is part of the background of latin american politics and venezuela today.
We'll win just like we did back in Mercenaries 2.
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Oh chavez, you so crazy
Mercenaries 2 was a shit game.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;18285706]We'll win just like we did back in Mercenaries 2.
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Oh no you didn't!
Damn, I have family in Venezuela
You guys should deal with the drugs down there rather than go to war...
What is he going to do next ban baths.
Oh wait
He is
[url]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100014523/hugo-chavez-bans-singing-in-the-bath-appoints-minister-for-electricity-shortages-come-on-gordon/[/url]
[QUOTE=microsnakey;18285982]What is he going to do next ban baths.
Oh wait
He is
[url]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100014523/hugo-chavez-bans-singing-in-the-bath-appoints-minister-for-electricity-shortages-come-on-gordon/[/url][/QUOTE]
what a shitty article. venezuela has a water crisis that's being dealt with no different then it would be in america
[QUOTE=Conscript;18286034]what a shitty article. venezuela has a water crisis that's being dealt with no different then it would be in america[/QUOTE]
I know I watched it in James Bond
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