Rep. Bachmann's Far-Right Family Pledge Argues Black Kids Were Better Off In 1860 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30997004]I provide a response to something you say, and you just back out? Bad form, my friend.[/QUOTE] Well at least he knows when to stop.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996621]The idea of a kiddy having a mommy and a daddy, which is alien-sounding I know[/QUOTE] Plenty of people have gone without mom and dad and turned out just fine [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] like batman

[QUOTE=Lambeth;30997099]Plenty of people have gone without mom and dad and turned out just fine[/QUOTE] Can I safely say it's better for a kid to have two functional parental figures? In fact, I'll go so far as to exclude gay rights, because that's not the point of the thread at all. Forget what I said about a mommy and daddy. Think instead of "two functional parents".

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30997152]Can I safely say it's better for a kid to have two functional parental figures? In fact, I'll go so far as to exclude gay rights, because that's not the point of the thread at all. Forget what I said about a mommy and daddy. Think instead of "two functional parents".[/QUOTE] So two functional adults?

Yeah sure. The thread's not about gay rights, so I'll use "two parents" to include everything and stay out of that oh-so-tricky area of discussion

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30997207]Yeah sure. The thread's not about gay rights, so I'll use "two parents" to include everything and stay out of that oh-so-tricky area of discussion[/QUOTE] It's only tricky if you don't believe 2 homosexual parents aren't as capable as 2 heterosexual ones.

I don't know about that. So I'll stay out of it. Wisely

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30997374]I don't know about that. So I'll stay out of it. Wisely[/QUOTE] You seem to be missing the point.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30997374]I don't know about that. So I'll stay out of it. Wisely[/QUOTE] Well, no, toying around it isn't "wisely staying out of it", it's being coy. You either do think two homosexuals are as competent at parenting as two heterosexuals or you don't or whatever the heck else you're trying to walk around. This isn't court. Saying "I refuse to state an opinion on that subject because it'll get messy" doesn't keep people from wondering what that implies about your opinion. That said I don't really give a damn what you think I'm just saying do less "I shouldn't talk about that" and more not talking about it if you don't want to get awkward.

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;30997469]Well, no, toying around it isn't "wisely staying out of it", it's being coy. You either do think two homosexuals are as competent at parenting as two heterosexuals or you don't or whatever the heck else you're trying to walk around. This isn't court. Saying "I refuse to state an opinion on that subject because it'll get messy" doesn't keep people from wondering what that implies about your opinion. That said I don't really give a damn what you think I'm just saying do less "I shouldn't talk about that" and more not talking about it if you don't want to get awkward.[/QUOTE] So how do you measure competency of parents in group A versus B? You look at the kids and see whether or not they end up screwed up. Unfortunately, I have not undertaken such a study, and I have not in mind any such studies. They may exist but I can't think of any. So I can't say anything. Stop forcing my opinion.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30997347]It's only tricky if you don't believe 2 homosexual parents aren't as capable as 2 heterosexual ones.[/QUOTE] It shouldn't matter if they're less capable as parents. That should be no concern of that state anyway.

The thread is not about gay rights. It is about a Republican pointing out, or claiming at least, that since the days of slavery, an African kid has progressively become less likely to have a mother and father. She is not doing so to say "oh well you guys had it better when you were slaves". She is pointing out the sad decline in family values. I mentioned "mommy and daddy", and some people took offense to that, so I retracted it, to make it only about "two parents". Please do not derail the thread around what I said.

man, I don't even have to watch TV anymore

[QUOTE=staticman;30996491]When the 2nd most popular party embraces shit like this...?[/QUOTE] Only two parties buddy.

[QUOTE=Swilly;30999012]Only two parties buddy.[/QUOTE] Terrible, broken system buddy (As can be seen by republicans being so high up there).

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30996501]Christ, people Can someone note the decline of family values without it meaning explicitly that they believe things were better back then? She's not saying slaves were better off so stop agreeing with me[/QUOTE] Makes this even better. Thanks man. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Miskav;30999029]Terrible, broken system buddy (As can be seen by republicans being so high up there).[/QUOTE] Never said it worked. But when you have two large parties that have nut jobs on both sides lumped with the competent and the corrupt....You're gonna have problems :v:

[QUOTE=Swilly;30999038]Makes this even better. Thanks man. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] Never said it worked. But when you have two large parties that have nut jobs on both sides lumped with the competent and the corrupt....You're gonna have problems :v:[/QUOTE] Yes except that the left doesnt really have that many nut jobs. Like who would be considered a Leftist extremist? Bernie Sanders?

the people that firebomb animal testing facilities new black panthers anarchists

[QUOTE=Nikota;30999136]Yes except that the left doesnt really have that many nut jobs. Like who would be considered a Leftist extremist? Bernie Sanders?[/QUOTE] And he's one of the most reasonable congressmen in the lot, as well as the longest serving independent senator.

in fact it seems more left extremists can be named than right extremists

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999270]the people that firebomb animal testing facilities new black panthers anarchists[/QUOTE] Anarchism as an ideology is no more unreasonable than Marxist-Leninist Communism. The people you're thinking of are probably pseudo-intellectual "anarchists" only interested in societal chaos. In addition, how often do you hear about any of these groups compared to the Tea Party or Christian Fundamentalists? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999308]in fact it seems more left extremists can be named than right extremists[/QUOTE] Naming several small, nearly defunct groups is a little less noteworthy than naming a couple larger, somewhat prevalent groups.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999270]the people that firebomb animal testing facilities new black panthers anarchists[/QUOTE] 1) Wouldn't know, can't comment 2) Really? Thought they were unaffiliated 3) Anarchists are right wing as well. Why do you think there's a separate "Left-wing Anarchism" train of thoughts in politics? Don't shove it all on the left, when it even seems to be the minority in Anarchists

Wikipedia says it's mainly left-wing (anarchism) I disagree that we can call the Tea Party extremist, though, when, is it really that far out of the center in our society? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] let's investigate deeper: are anarchists right-wing or left-wing? Let's define left and right [quote]In politics, Right, right-wing and rightist are generally used to describe support for preserving traditional social orders and hierarchies.[/quote] [quote]In politics, Left, left-wing and leftist are generally used to describe support for social change to create a more egalitarian society.[/quote] Which sounds more like anarchism hmm?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999413]Wikipedia says it's mainly left-wing (anarchism) I disagree that we can call the Tea Party extremist, though, when, is it really that far out of the center in our society? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] let's investigate deeper: are anarchists right-wing or left-wing? Let's define left and right Which sounds more like anarchism hmm?[/QUOTE] You're fighting a losing a battle. I don't mean you're wrong, you're actually completely right. But no one wants to admit it.

stop generalising anarchism. it's painfully obvious that you're talking out of your ass. there are many different anarchist schools of thought.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999413]Wikipedia says it's mainly left-wing (anarchism) I disagree that we can call the Tea Party extremist, though, when, is it really that far out of the center in our society? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] let's investigate deeper: are anarchists right-wing or left-wing? Let's define left and right Which sounds more like anarchism hmm?[/QUOTE] It's completely irrelevant. How often do you hear about Anarchists/The Black Panthers/PETA/etc. demanding heinous things like "Homosexuality should be criminalized/poor people don't pay enough taxes/etc." compared to the GOP, the Tea Party, or their affiliates? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;30999522]You're fighting a losing a battle. I don't mean you're wrong, you're actually completely right. But no one wants to admit it.[/QUOTE] Right about what? That Anarchism is generally left-wing?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30999645]It's completely irrelevant. How often do you hear about Anarchists/The Black Panthers/PETA/etc. demanding heinous things like "Homosexuality should be criminalized/poor people don't pay enough taxes/etc." compared to the GOP, the Tea Party, or their affiliates?[/QUOTE] Can the Tea Party be considered extremist though? What makes something or someone extremist? [quote]Extremism is any ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards.[/quote] Can you really say that the Tea Party is far out of the political center of our society?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999706]Can the Tea Party be considered extremist though? What makes something or someone extremist? Can you really say that the Tea Party is far out of the political center of our society?[/QUOTE] No, I suppose when compared to the "American Centre", the Tea Party is not especially extremist. However, I cannot for one second turn a blind eye to their ridiculous over-reaching Social Conservatism. Militant Anarchists that demand all ties to personal possessions be dropped are extremists, but so are Tea Partiers.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;30999706] Can you really say that the Tea Party is far out of the political center of our society?[/QUOTE] Guess not. They are basically republicans pretending to be a grass roots movement.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;30999808]Guess not. They are basically republicans pretending to be a grass roots movement.[/QUOTE] Regardless of how subjectively "extremist" they may be, bad ideas are bad ideas, and the Tea Party has plenty of them.