Rep. Bachmann's Far-Right Family Pledge Argues Black Kids Were Better Off In 1860 - Polidicks

So they're a sheep in a Ghillie suit I guess

[QUOTE=Lambeth;30999838]So they're a sheep in a Ghillie suit I guess[/QUOTE] Can't say I've heard that expression before.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30999876]Can't say I've heard that expression before.[/QUOTE] it is a hamfisted metaphor

[QUOTE=Lambeth;30999996]it is a hamfisted metaphor[/QUOTE] I see. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] Anyway, Elecbullet, even if the Tea Party isn't considered "Extremist", surely you can agree that their ideals are flawed?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31000044]I see. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] Anyway, Elecbullet, even if the Tea Party isn't considered "Extremist", surely you can agree that their ideals are flawed?[/QUOTE] No one is denying that.

Shit man I don't even fucking know, okay? Over the past year I have slowly moved from a liberal like you wouldn't believe to a conservative, and I know it's happening, and I almost feel bad about it but I know it's happening. I don't know what I think about the Tea Party. A lot of their ideals are flawed but a lot make sense. Often it's the basic ideas that sound nice, but their methods and laws are unbelievably bad.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000093]A lot of their ideals are flawed but a lot make sense. Often it's the basic ideas that sound nice, but their methods and laws are unbelievably bad.[/QUOTE] Well then let's dig right in. What ideas of theirs' do you think make sense?

Keep in mind what I said about BASIC ideas. This is before you point out all the problems and flaws with them. Tea Partiers are conservative. They like things the way they used to be. Their ideal family might be this: a dad who works, a mom who stays home, and a few kids. Everyone's a Christian, and everyone goes to church, and nobody's gay or anything. The parents are active in their children's lives. The dad teaches his kid football, etc. Reflecting family values, the mother and father never get divorced, and each kid grows up and marries, and then has sex for the first time, being married. See, I like that. That sounds really nice. You can point out problems with it, but it sounds nice. I'd much be a kid in a household like that than a liberal one in San Francisco or something. Also, there is the basic idea of government. Tea partiers like small government. Lower taxes, smaller, simpler government. I like that too. Again, point out a thousand problems with their interpretation, but it is the basic idea that sounds nice.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000366]Keep in mind what I said about BASIC ideas. This is before you point out all the problems and flaws with them. Tea Partiers are conservative. They like things the way they used to be. Their ideal family might be this: a dad who works, a mom who stays home, and a few kids. Everyone's a Christian, and everyone goes to church, and nobody's gay or anything. The parents are active in their children's lives. The dad teaches his kid football, etc. Reflecting family values, the mother and father never get divorced, and each kid grows up and marries, and then has sex for the first time, being married. See, I like that. That sounds really nice. You can point out problems with it, but it sounds nice. I'd much be a kid in a household like that than a liberal one in San Francisco or something. Also, there is the basic idea of government. Tea partiers like small government. Lower taxes, smaller, simpler government. I like that too. Again, point out a thousand problems with their interpretation, but it is the basic idea that sounds nice.[/QUOTE] So you like their ideas as long as you don't think about any of the negative things that go with it?

The basic ideas sound really appealing to me, yes. A lot of the time, the negative things about it is the stupid ways they go about it, which everybody universally agrees are stupid, stupid, stupid.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000476]The basic ideas sound really appealing to me, yes. A lot of the time, the negative things about it is the stupid ways they go about it, which everybody universally agrees are stupid, stupid, stupid.[/QUOTE] Stupid ways they go about it? There isn't even a smart way to go about making all families heterosexual, white, and christian. There isn't a smart way to go about making a laissez-faire Capitalist government. As you've said yourself, there are a thousand problems with accomplishing either of these things, both on the path to it, and when you finally reach your goal. Sure, a never-divorcing, "not-abnormal" straight christian family "sounds nice", but that's impossible and any route to get to that will lead to ruin.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000366] Tea Partiers are conservative. They like things the way they used to be. Their ideal family might be this: a dad who works, a mom who stays home, and a few kids. Everyone's a Christian, and everyone goes to church, and nobody's gay or anything. The parents are active in their children's lives. The dad teaches his kid football, etc. Reflecting family values, the mother and father never get divorced, and each kid grows up and marries, and then has sex for the first time, being married. See, I like that. That sounds really nice. You can point out problems with it, but it sounds nice. I'd much be a kid in a household like that than a liberal one in San Francisco or something.[/QUOTE] That "ideal household" you described is actually extremely damaging to society for several reasons 1) Everyone being expected to be straight and christian creates an us vs. them mentality 2) It enforces centuries old gender roles 3) It stagnates society 4) A liberal household in San Francisco is going to raise tolerant independent children instead of bigoted children who have been taught to submit to the status quo It absolutely does not "sound really nice", it sounds fucking horrific

See there you go. Point out the problems. Dammit Zeke. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] Also what the [i]fuck[/i] is "It stagnates society"

[QUOTE=staticman;30996388]Because the US is still racist as all fuck?[/QUOTE] I'm not. Speak for yourself.

I dunno my friend is white, christian and a pretty liberal dude.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000589] Also what the [i]fuck[/i] is "It stagnates society"[/QUOTE] It makes everything stay the same despite the problems And of course I pointed out the problems, it has more problems than anything else

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000366]Keep in mind what I said about BASIC ideas. This is before you point out all the problems and flaws with them. Tea Partiers are conservative. They like things the way they used to be. Their ideal family might be this: a dad who works, a mom who stays home, and a few kids. Everyone's a Christian, and everyone goes to church, and nobody's gay or anything. The parents are active in their children's lives. The dad teaches his kid football, etc. Reflecting family values, the mother and father never get divorced, and each kid grows up and marries, and then has sex for the first time, being married. See, I like that. That sounds really nice. You can point out problems with it, but it sounds nice. I'd much be a kid in a household like that than a liberal one in San Francisco or something. Also, there is the basic idea of government. Tea partiers like small government. Lower taxes, smaller, simpler government. I like that too. Again, point out a thousand problems with their interpretation, but it is the basic idea that sounds nice.[/QUOTE] The problem is that many members of the Tea Party want to achieve their goals by regressing back to old policies and old social climates, which is simply not possible. No progress is ever made by regressing.

There was once a thread about "What is your ideal lifestyle". I answered "A stereotypical conservative lifestyle with some liberal ideals". I like the idea of a stereotypical conservative household for the most part. I would not ever, however, restrict gay rights, or anything like that. In this way, I disagree with many conservatives. Also I share some libertarian ideals, I suppose. Maybe I'm just a little bit of everything. Fuck, I have Tubular Bells stuck in my head

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000701]There was once a thread about "What is your ideal lifestyle". I answered "A stereotypical conservative lifestyle with some liberal ideals".[/QUOTE] ewww my ideal lifestyle is blasting kraftwerk at 3 AM while knackered on vodka

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000701]There was once a thread about "What is your ideal lifestyle". I answered "A stereotypical conservative lifestyle with some liberal ideals".[/QUOTE] What actually is wrong with a progressive household for children though A child's mind is extremely inquisitive so they're naturally progressive, telling them to reject this is cruel

Kraftwerk is nice though. I swear, every time the song Elektro Kardiogramm comes into my mind, I just HAVE to fucking breathe like that. "HA-HOO.... HA HOO...."

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31000728]What actually is wrong with a progressive household for children though A child's mind is extremely inquisitive so they're naturally progressive, telling them to reject this is cruel[/QUOTE] what's this childeren bullshit

[QUOTE=thisispain;31000749]what's this childeren bullshit[/QUOTE] children are the future unless we can help it

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31000728]What actually is wrong with a progressive household for children though A child's mind is extremely inquisitive so they're naturally progressive, telling them to reject this is cruel[/QUOTE] It teaches them the evils of sodomy :downs:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31000775]children are the future unless we can help it[/QUOTE] we're on a dying fucking planet zeke the best thing you can do for the environment is re-use your plastic bags to suffocate childeren

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31000775]children are the future unless we can help it[/QUOTE] Pft. There will be no future if a member of the tea party gains the presidency. They will launch the nukes faster then a right wing senator has a same sex encounter.

Kids are awesome because they're able to be incredibly smart despite not being able to really show it efficiently Asking why over and over is annoying but it's quite clever when you think about it Unfortunately people like me who think this way will likely never have kids [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;31000792]we're on a dying fucking planet zeke the best thing you can do for the environment is re-use your plastic bags to suffocate childeren[/QUOTE] I use cloth bags unfortunately

The main subject of the thread was a conservative pointing out, or claiming, that in the years since slavery, family values appear to be less and less important to African-Americans. She was not doing so to say "oh well see you guys were better off" as staticman said in the thread title. She was just reflecting on this. I agree that kids should have, ideally, two stable parental figures. I say this because I don't want to incite an argument about LGB parents, which I don't know anything, and don't claim to know anything, about. Since 1950 divorce rates have skyrocketed. This isn't good in my opinion. You might say "oh well they were just low because it was socially unacceptable", but I'm just going to say, I wish parents could manage to stay together- things would be much better.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000701]There was once a thread about "What is your ideal lifestyle". I answered "A stereotypical conservative lifestyle with some liberal ideals".[/QUOTE] How is a Conservative lifestyle any better than a Progressive one? [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000838]Since 1950 divorce rates have skyrocketed. This isn't good in my opinion. You might say "oh well they were just low because it was socially unacceptable", but I'm just going to say, I wish parents could manage to stay together- things would be much better.[/QUOTE] So you hear facts and have nothing to say but "I wish it wasn't true!!"?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000838]The main subject of the thread was a conservative pointing out, or claiming, that in the years since slavery, family values appear to be less and less important to African-Americans.[/QUOTE] since when is fucking bachmann a black people expert