Rep. Bachmann's Far-Right Family Pledge Argues Black Kids Were Better Off In 1860 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31000842]So you hear facts and have nothing to say but "I wish it wasn't true!!"?[/QUOTE] Will you not agree that it's generally better for a kid for his parents to not divorce? Therefore, it's not a good thing that divorce levels have gone up. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;31000879]since when is fucking bachmann a black people expert[/QUOTE] Is it true that, as she says, a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000886]Will you not agree that it's generally better for a kid for his parents to not divorce? Therefore, it's not a good thing that divorce levels have gone up.[/QUOTE] i was raised without a father and i'm 100% sure i was better off not having him in my life [QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000886]Is it true that, as she says, a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.[/QUOTE] i'm not gonna be an idiot by saying i know something for sure when i really don't obviously rep. bachmann does not share that conviction

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000886] Is it true that, as she says, a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.[/QUOTE] I don't think black people are different under Obama than they were under Bush, so why the emphasis on "african american president" Maybe they have some more dignity but that's a good thing (Bachmann may not agree)

[QUOTE=thisispain;31000938]i was raised without a father and i'm 100% sure i was better off not having him in my life[/QUOTE] this is why I said generally, there are exceptions, times when you're better off without the person who happens to be your daddy. However, in general, it's not a good thing. In general, when you hear someone say "I'm getting a divorce from *such and such*", it's an appropriate response to say "Oh, I'm sorry..." [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;31000965]I don't think black people are different under Obama than they were under Bush Maybe they have some more dignity but that's a good thing (Bachmann may not agree)[/QUOTE] The point being that over time, while they've gone from being on the bottom of the hierarchy to having one of themselves being at the extreme top, the emphasis on family seems to have decreased.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000990]this is why I said generally, there are exceptions, times when you're better off without the person who happens to be your daddy. However, in general, it's not a good thing. In general, when you hear someone say "I'm getting a divorce from *such and such*", it's an appropriate response to say "Oh, I'm sorry..."[/QUOTE] generally if a divorce is warranted it wouldn't make a good household for a child to be in much rather a child be raised in a house with people willing to be in that situation.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000990]this is why I said generally, there are exceptions, times when you're better off without the person who happens to be your daddy. However, in general, it's not a good thing. In general, when you hear someone say "I'm getting a divorce from *such and such*", it's an appropriate response to say "Oh, I'm sorry..."[/QUOTE] I was raised in an "ideal" household of one father and one mother They didn't really give a shit though so I would have gladly taken one parent or two dads/two moms that actually cared

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31000990]However, in general, it's not a good thing. In general, when you hear someone say "I'm getting a divorce from *such and such*", it's an appropriate response to say "Oh, I'm sorry..."[/QUOTE] Generally divorces happen for a good reason. A dysfunctional family that's forced to stay together is many times worse than a family that peacefully breaks up and keeps in regular contact with the child. I know this much from experience.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31001020]generally if a divorce is warranted it wouldn't make a good household for a child to be in much rather a child be raised in a house with people willing to be in that situation.[/QUOTE] How about the parents, when possible, find a way to resolve the issues? That's better than divorce.

[QUOTE=thisispain;31001020]generally if a divorce is warranted it wouldn't make a good household for a child to be in much rather a child be raised in a house with people willing to be in that situation.[/QUOTE] Also this.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001050]How about the parents, when possible, find a way to resolve the issues? That's better than divorce.[/QUOTE] find me one couple who'd rather go through the cluster-fuck of legal divorce than try to resolve their issues

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001050]How about the parents, when possible, find a way to resolve the issues? That's better than divorce.[/QUOTE] They generally do try to work it out before resorting to divorce. How many situations do you think there are where divorce was the first course of action?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31001021]I was raised in an "ideal" household of one father and one mother [b]They didn't really give a shit though[/b] so I would have gladly taken one parent or two dads/two moms that actually cared[/QUOTE] Well then you didn't really live in an ideal household did you When I listed off my ideal household, I explicitly listed that the parents should, in order to be considered ideal, care about their kids and be active in their lives, and play sports and shit with them.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001050]How about the parents, when possible, find a way to resolve the issues? That's better than divorce.[/QUOTE] In the real world that rarely works If you're at the point where a divorce is considered you're likely past the point where conflict resolution works

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31001060]They generally do try to work it out before resorting to divorce. How many situations do you think there are where divorce was the first course of action?[/QUOTE] Not many. I'm saying it'd be nice if resolution could occur more often, improbable or not.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001075]Well then you didn't really live in an ideal household did you When I listed off my ideal household, I explicitly listed that the parents should, in order to be considered ideal, care about their kids and be active in their lives, and play sports and shit with them.[/QUOTE] What the fuck do sports have to do with anything I would have preferred to travel with my parents, see different cultures and learn about the world from a young age instead of being 21 and having no idea what really goes on outside my country (aside from what I read on the internet) And that goes right back to my problem with conservatives, they promote closed-mindedness Alternatively my parents could just cut me a huge cheque right now so I can take a trip I'd forgive them if they did that 100%

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001075]Well then you didn't really live in an ideal household did you When I listed off my ideal household, I explicitly listed that the parents should, in order to be considered ideal, care about their kids and be active in their lives, and play sports and shit with them.[/QUOTE] You also said that two parents staying together is better than getting divorced. He provided you an example where it wasn't true and you just said "yeah but it wasn't perfect".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31001098]You also said that two parents staying together is better than getting divorced. He provided you an example where it wasn't true and you just said "yeah but it wasn't perfect".[/QUOTE] I said in general two parents resolving their differences and staying together is better for the kid. I recognize that sometimes it is unavoidable. He gave an exception to my general rule. [editline]8th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;31001093]What the fuck do sports have to do with anything I would have preferred to travel with my parents, see different cultures and learn about the world from a young age instead of being 21 and having no idea what really goes on outside my country (aside from what I read on the internet) And that goes right back to my problem with conservatives, they promote closed-mindedness Alternatively my parents could just cut me a huge cheque right now so I can take a trip I'd forgive them if they did that 100%[/QUOTE] Well I mentioned sports in my ideal family as a father-son activity. Is it not good for a daddy to show little timmy how to play baseball?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001126] Well I mentioned sports in my ideal family as a father-son activity. Is it not good for a daddy to show little timmy how to play baseball?[/QUOTE] If you're a good ol' wholesome conservative family you absolutely should not name your child timmy, he'll just end up in the fucking well or something besides, team sports promote communism

ideal barely has any bearing with reality

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001126]Well I mentioned sports in my ideal family as a father-son activity. Is it not good for a daddy to show little timmy how to play baseball?[/QUOTE] And if he wants to read or draw rather than play baseball?

i see this thread degraded into "question elecbullet's worldview" so [b]edit:[/b] trips get

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001181]i see this thread degraded into "question elecbullet's worldview" so[/QUOTE] a good argument needs a little bit of danger :wink:

Elecbullet, why can't mommy teach Timmy to play baseball anyway? If I was a dad I could teach my kid how to cook or work the washing machine without any real problems but if I had to show him how to hit a ball I'd get him to ask someone else How would this household harm the child

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001181]i see this thread degraded into "question elecbullet's worldview" so [B]edit:[/B] trips get[/QUOTE] Threads aren't allowed to change subject?

I don't know if my hypothetical kid has a mommy or a second daddy in this case but let's assume that the other one can play better baseball than me there's a joke about pitching here

Well we already had a [i]discussion[/i] about biology influencing gender roles. Let's not do that again it was unpleasant.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31001275]Well we already had a [I]discussion[/I] about biology influencing gender roles. Let's not do that again it was unpleasant.[/QUOTE] Unpleasant how? Because people challenged your argument?

there's no evidence suggesting that gender roles influence parenting and raising a child shit there's hardly evidence suggesting that gender roles go beyond social creations

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31001307]Unpleasant how? Because people challenged your argument?[/QUOTE] It got pretty vicious, I think I was called a misogynist a hundred times