• 1 student critical, 1 stable after boy opens fire in New Mexico middle school gym
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Let's completely ignore the issue that is bullying in most schools and talk about guns, because mental health and proper parenting has got nothing to do with this, right.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;43556222]Let's completely ignore the issue that is bullying in most schools and talk about guns, because mental health and proper parenting has got nothing to do with this, right.[/QUOTE] but bullying and mental health and parenting are all issues that every country on the planet has to deal with but most other countries don't have a backward ass gun culture based on ideals and worries that are 300 years old why is this such a difficult concept to grasp. yeh there are big issues in america but those issues aren't helped when they spiral out of control and end up influenced by gun culture. you can blame progressively bigger and bigger issues all you want but the fact of the matter is that less people would be shot if there were less guns
It's pretty eye-opening when shootings occur only 1-2 hours away from where you live...and you go to college with people from Roswell. I realize the tragedy of any shooting, but it really "hits home" when it's so close to home.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43556678]the fact of the matter is that less people would be shot if there were less guns[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that [I]more[/I] people would be[I] killed [/I]if there were less guns. [url=http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1]Try to read up on the topic[/url] before discussing it, as it'd make for a better discussion. [quote=Page 15 - 16]Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals... ... consistent lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies[/quote]
Kind of worrisome how this kind of thing keeps happening over and over and over in a cycle of vindication and nothing has actually happened to stop it. And I don't even mean gun control specifically before anyone rattles off at me.
[QUOTE=Fhux;43558709]I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that [I]more[/I] people would be[I] killed [/I]if there were less guns. [URL="http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1"]Try to read up on the topic[/URL] before discussing it, as it'd make for a better discussion.[/QUOTE] but all of these studies exist under the pretense of an existing gun culture. regardless, your study doesn't prove anything positive about gun ownership. paraphrased: "guns are used just as often defensively [positively] as they are offensively [negatively] in the US" um. okay? that's still people being shot by guns, either 'positively' or 'negatively' (i'd argue that anyone getting shot is a negative thing but don't listen to me i'm just a crazy hippie). how about not using guns at all? i'm talking about the purely logical hypothetical that if you didn't have a 300 year old ridiculous culture of "guns are okay and it's a basic human right to own guns" that the united states would have less gun crime. it's not difficult the government isn't even [I]trying[/I] to rectify this issue. it's frightening. it's become such a taboo subject in american culture because there's way too much sensationalism and way too much extremism on the issue. you open your mouth on it and you're either a gun-loving mentalist or a freedom-hating communist. there needs to be some sort of moderate approach to the issue but, oh yeh, there's no such thing as that in american politics
[QUOTE=Fhux;43558709]I'm sorry, but the fact of the matter is that [I]more[/I] people would be[I] killed [/I]if there were less guns. [url=http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1]Try to read up on the topic[/url] before discussing it, as it'd make for a better discussion.[/QUOTE] I really, really doubt the legitimacy of this claim. Considering almost every other first world country doesn't have rampant murder without guns for defence being a thing. Criminals currently have a greater reason to take your life when committing petty theft, burglary, etc. because the people they are trying to rob are likely to be armed. It causes escalation of conflict. With fewer guns being used for self defence, criminals have less incentive to take your life as you have less ability to take theirs. Thieves, rapists, they don't want to become murderers too, they do so out of necessity for self preservation. Sure there'd be a point where criminals who don't care about human life would bring tons of weapons with them, however as more guns are confiscated, fewer will be used in petty crime (also it would pretty much end the massacre shooting problems almost perfectly, so like, there's that).
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43551095]but if there was no gun culture and had never been a gun culture in the first place there'd be very little way of someone with that pre-existing mental condition to get a gun and shoot people :)[/QUOTE] that's not even a valid thought, now you're dealing with "what-if's" pull your head to what is. Edit: meant to post this yesterday, forgot to hit enter. Derp.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;43556222]Let's completely ignore the issue that is bullying in most schools and talk about guns, because mental health and proper parenting has got nothing to do with this, right.[/QUOTE] Parenting defintley plays a large role in this but so does bullying and mental health.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;43544305]If guns were as available as they are in the US here I'd have likely done this at my school due to bullying.[/QUOTE] Yeah, suuuuuuure...
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