Lib Dems pledge British return to EU in the next general election. - Polidicks

It would be pretty funny to have another referendum now after Farage and his cronies back peddled on their promises

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50596312]On the downside the british economy going down the shitter adversely affects pretty much every nation on Earth.[/QUOTE] i fail to see how that would be.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;50596293]Also its pretty obvious that 1. Businesses lose money because of how fucked the economy is getting 2. Businesses either leave the UK or start laying off workers 3. Workers who get laid off can no longer afford to pay for their current residence 4. Workers are now homeless. This is not a hard concept to grasp.[/QUOTE] You mean like how it's been for decades now? I'm not from the area but I seem to recall that all forms of housing were unaffordable and the wage gap was more like a chasm. I'm pretty sure a good chunk of this forum can even relate to that as our jobs were outsourced to the East or people willing to work for the lowest possible dollar, not necessarily immigrants. Give it up. The vote was lost on a polarizing result so literally one half is totally butthurt they were not the majority, in part because someone fucked up. Whose brilliant idea was it to say that even a 49/51 vote was a victory? In situations like this you should be making decisions when more than 70% of the votes say yes, else you get people so polarized you're edging on civil unrest and politicians willing to smack Democracy in the face and say "oh, nononono. This wasn't for keeps. We'll do it again in a few months and this time it's for real!" Fuck off. If that was true you'd be setting a dangerous as fuck precedent.

People really are eager to gobble up this utterly unfulfillable promise. Do they really think the EU would let them back in this easily?

For some of them, yes? They think that sticking to routine will be the best approach so long as it's only the people below them that are shit on. The Brexit meant that they too are holding on for the ride so they'll try as hard as they can to reestablish ties or else they actually have to do work for once.

I like how the majority of the people here and elsewhere making the "suck it up you lost" argument don't even try to understand why so many of us have an issue with it. Not to mention it's fucking laughable people outside the UK think they have a better understanding of the situation than those of us who have been dealing with this entire thing personally for months. It wasn't a considerable majority of voters, we got lied to and manipulated by both campaigns, more than half the people that voted ended up voting for the dumbest of reasons and majority of voters didn't even do their own research into the EU. A number of leave campaigners have backed off with their tails between their legs, deflected any criticism about false promises and even leave voters are openly showing regret for their choice. For every 1 leave voter that actually did research into it you've got 20 more that voted because "immigrants are bad!" and ONLY that. Even then, I'd say that's a generous approximation. If the country is so visibly 50/50 split on the issue then why shouldn't we be allowed to reconsider or have another vote on it?

[QUOTE=MisterLANCE;50596337]Thanks I missed your earlier explanation on page 1. That being said, a lot of the reasons I see people wanting a re-vote is because of a. Some people couldn't make it. b. People didn't care. c. people voted leave as a joke. A is actually a problem. Ideally 100% of people should vote. I don't see how to fix this issue, but I can't see 100% of people voting in a re-vote. Even if the voter turnout was 90% in the re-vote you and the decision was reversed and won by say 6% or so, you could argue that the other 10% that couldn't vote would have voted leave. Then you'd be calling for [i]another[/i] revote. On top of that, some people that may have voted in the first referendum may not be able to vote in the second effectively nullifying their original vote regardless of whom it was for. B is somewhat of a problem, and I would guess a lack of understanding what's going on that's making people not care. However this isn't [i]exactly[/i] an issue because they already demonstrated that they don't care by not voting, and thus want to leave the decision up to someone who does care. C is.. Well stupid people have voting rights too.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the amount of postal votes to expats that were lost.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50596652]People really are eager to gobble up this utterly unfulfillable promise. Do they really think the EU would let them back in this easily?[/QUOTE] considering the uk dumped more euros into the eu than 90% of other countries, fuck yeah they would take them back.

[QUOTE=spekter;50596700]I like how the majority of the people here and elsewhere making the "suck it up you lost" argument don't even try to understand why so many of us have an issue with it. Not to mention it's fucking laughable people outside the UK think they have a better understanding of the situation than those of us who have been dealing with this entire thing personally for months. It wasn't a considerable majority of voters, we got lied to and manipulated by both campaigns, more than half the people that voted ended up voting for the dumbest of reasons and majority of voters didn't even do their own research into the EU. A number of leave campaigners have backed off with their tails between their legs, deflected any criticism about false promises and even leave voters are openly showing regret for their choice. For every 1 leave voter that actually did research into it you've got 20 more that voted because "immigrants are bad!" and ONLY that. Even then, I'd say that's a generous approximation. If the country is so visibly 50/50 split on the issue then why shouldn't we be allowed to reconsider or have another vote on it?[/QUOTE] So then you vote again and the result is, let's assume 52-48 for Remain this time. The country is obviously still split, but do you then just accept that result and forbid another referendum?

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50597112]So then you vote again and the result is, let's assume 52-48 for Remain this time. The country is obviously still split, but do you then just accept that result and forbid another referendum?[/QUOTE] Yes because a 50/50 split is not good enough for such a momentous vote. 60/40 is preferable for a true change.

I don't think it will happen but yeah 50% isn't a big enough majority to call something for a life long change IMO. I bet we would have to go balls deep to get back in and not have the same power as before. If something was to be done it would have to be done before we left IMO.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50597126]Yes because a 50/50 split is not good enough for such a momentous vote. 60/40 is preferable for a true change.[/QUOTE] "Democracy only works when it works in my favour" Let it go dude, what you're describing is not democracy.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50595909]Oh give it a rest already. The people have spoken, whether you agree or disagree with what they voted for.[/QUOTE] I'd doubt they would vote leave again after seeing this shit

[QUOTE=Captain James;50597179]"Democracy only works when it works in my favour" Let it go dude, what you're describing is not democracy.[/QUOTE] How does that even remotely describe what Scorpious said?

[QUOTE=Captain James;50597179]"Democracy only works when it works in my favour" Let it go dude, what you're describing is not democracy.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously going to fucking argue that a split result is concise and fair to the public? Not to mention it doesn't relate to his point either.

Well fuck, now the Leave campaign has won by talking absolute shit, the Lib Dems are trying it too. Apparently we're gullible enough.

[QUOTE=Captain James;50597179]"Democracy only works when it works in my favour" Let it go dude, what you're describing is not democracy.[/QUOTE] This should not have been left to democracy to begin with.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;50596254]The US housing bubble bursting was the result of toxic debt from shit lending standards, risky mortgages, too big to fail, etc. not them separating from another entity.[/QUOTE] wtf do you think the economy cares about the reason that it's lost billions how is that of any relevance to the fact that people could lose their jobs and their homes over this decision companies aren't going to go "well we're not going to sack our workers because we only lost billions in value due to leaving the eu!"

Are these the same lib dens who promised to protect against student fees? They shot themselves with young voters. I won't vote for them again adter that. Leaving uni with 50k debt and if I don't earn 41k I won't even pay the yearly inflation off

The EU isn't some kind of hotel with a revolving door. Brits are wreaking havoc on the global economy with this bullshit.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;50596208]its okay to ignore the wishes of the majority because clearly the majority is illiterate because they don't agree with me sorry, thats not how democracy works. you lost, get over it[/QUOTE] Pretty sure if turnout was 100%, Remain would of won. There's a lot of people who didn't vote and are regretting it now and a lot of Leave supporters who only did it as a protest and are also regretting it. This isn't what the majority wants.

[QUOTE=Captain James;50597179]"Democracy only works when it works in my favour" Let it go dude, what you're describing is not democracy.[/QUOTE] Supermajorities in political theory go back at least 2000 years and are the basis on which the UK government is elected and on which the UK parliament passes bills. That's why we say every general election that the real contest is not who gets the most MP's, but who gets a majority government. I understand perfectly why people want a re-do. But the biggest problem is that it would be morally corrupt to do a second referendum now as there was never any original clause calling for a super majority, because David Dipshit never had the foresight to predict it would get this close. You can't just change the rules of a contest that's already finished. Now, in regards to the Lib Dems - if they were elected in some 1 in a billion alternate universe, they would have full moral authority to put us back in the EU. Because they would have a majority mandate from the people to change the status quo.

I'll be honest, for something as large a change as this, to act on anything less than a super majority seems a bit rash.

I'm sure all the people saying "well that doesn't make this a democracy!" and "they just won, deal with it!!" would be saying a completely different thing if it was YOUR country being fucked over into the dirt by a 2% majority, who end up regretting their actions

im gonna call for second referendum or a third one for everything in life now till i get it my way because i cant handle losing once

[QUOTE=Kentz;50597519]im gonna call for second referendum or a third one for everything in life now till i get it my way because i cant handle losing once[/QUOTE] Thanks for your highly original and totally-not-vapid opinion. Did you actually read any of the posts in this thread or rather anything at all about why people want something to be done about this decision?

[QUOTE=spekter;50597545]Thanks for your highly original and totally-not-vapid opinion. Did you actually read any of the posts in this thread or rather anything at all about why people want something to be done about this decision?[/QUOTE] I'm just gonna be blunt with you. It's done and the UK is all but out. They're not getting a second referendum so it's time to get used to the new reality of things. It ain't fair but the rules aren't gonna get changed post decision

[QUOTE=Bazsil;50596208]its okay to ignore the wishes of the majority because clearly the majority is illiterate because they don't agree with me sorry, thats not how democracy works. you lost, get over it[/QUOTE] Fuck off telling people to get over it. This isnt like a general election where the bullshit usually lasts short term. This is a vote that will have a long long term impact to people inside and outside of the UK. Not only that, there were so many dreadful lies that and extreme fearmongering that "persuaded" millions of people. This is and was an objectively bad decision, many many experts and economists told us what would happen, but it was just downplayed as scare tactics.

[QUOTE=Kentz;50597519]im gonna call for second referendum or a third one for everything in life now till i get it my way because i cant handle losing once[/QUOTE] the world is in a mess because we bent over to please a few people in england and wales

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50597564]I'm just gonna be blunt with you. It's done and the UK is all but out. They're not getting a second referendum so it's time to get used to the new reality of things. It ain't fair but the rules aren't gonna get changed post decision[/QUOTE] [quote]In theory, the Prime Minister could ignore the referendum result, put the question to a parliamentary debate and gamble on the majority of MPs voting to remain. This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.[/quote] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/could-britain-actually-have-a-second-referendum-on-brexit/[/url] The chances of getting anything like that done are slim, but there is a chance nonetheless.