French waiters aren’t rude, they merely demand respect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47949154]You've either got ridiculously high standards or you're just trying to find an excuse for being cheap[/QUOTE] You do realize, $3 is 15% of a $20 bill? I never quite understood how tipping should be a portion of the bill.

[QUOTE=Rocket;47949191]Where are you getting $20 from? If this guy goes to a fancy restaurant and has a $100 bill, tipping $3 isn't 15%.[/QUOTE] Where are you getting $100 from? He never specified the type of restaurants he goes to, and I highly doubt anyone regularly goes to a high-end $100 restaurant. $20 is about the right amount for a standard restaurant for 2-people. Here in SoCal anyway.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949172]You do realize, $3 is 15% of a $20 bill? I never quite understood how tipping should be a portion of the bill.[/QUOTE] He said he doesn't do 15% so I think he's very obviously not talking about a $20 bill And why shouldn't tipping be a part of the bill? What kind of disadvantage would you possibly get by only having to pay once? If you really think the service was great you're free to leave the waiter a little extra, but there's no good reason for borderline mandatory tipping to still be around

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47949236]He said he doesn't do 15% so I think he's very obviously not talking about a $20 bill And why shouldn't tipping be a part of the bill? What kind of disadvantage would you possibly get by only having to pay once? If you really think the service was great you're free to leave the waiter a little extra, but there's no good reason for borderline mandatory tipping to still be around[/QUOTE] Rate me bad reading pls. Anyway, because what kind of logic is that? A $100 meal means I have to pay another $15 just because the waiter served me my food? The job that they're already paid to do? You're right, I'll leave the waiter extra if they did a great job, but I don't see how or why the bill has to be a factor in this.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;47944542]I don't tip in most circumstances. Granted, I don't really ever go out anywhere ever, but when I do go somewhere, I really would like to tip but I can't throw an extra few dollars out my waiter's way because I don't have an extra few dollars.[/QUOTE] ??? [IMG]https://media3.giphy.com/media/13Cys1xa3cZGRa/200_s.gif[/IMG] [editline]d[/editline] tip you cheap bastard

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949143]I always laugh whenever people bring this up. Stop acting like food service is the hardest fucking job in the world. You get the orders and you bring out the food. You deal with the occasional irate customer, just like literally every other job where you have direct contact with the customer. There are [I]many[/I] other non-tipped jobs, yet I don't hear them crying "hurr only people who haven't worked food service don't know how hard it is." If an 18yr old in/fresh out of highschool can do the job, then it's [I]very[/I] difficult to believe that it's such a hard job. On top of all that, you already have a whole tipping culture standing right behind you to supplement your wage. I already tip because it's customary and all that bullshit, but stop acting conceited as fuck. You're doing your job that you're already paid to do. TIPPING should never be expected. Just do your job well because it's your fucking job[/QUOTE] The food industry is extremely stressful, unrewarding, and possibly dangerous. I work at a deli where people line up out the restaurant, fight each other, and sprint to beat others in line. One day, the power went out at the restaurant. The massive line of people waiting would have to leave, without electricity the kitchen staff could not cook. A group of "guests" decided to take their aggression out on a truck parked on the side of the building (reserved for employees) by smashing the windshield out with a rock. Coincidentally, this was my bosses' truck. On another occasion, an "irate" (as you so simply put it) guest followed me from where she was in line to personally insult me because I was on break, rather than taking orders. She insulted me for my appearance, my disabilities, and my perceived lack of importance. The local police are posted as [i]fucking guards during times of heavy business to prevent high school students and other guests from attacking each other or staff.[/i] And for your information, the great majority of fresh High School graduates [i]cannot[/i] do the job. The extreme stress, physical labor, and the duration of shifts make them all quit within a week. And here's the thing about it, we don't even have to take tips. We're paid $12 an hour and it's still too much for the average person to do. But no, by all means, continue to ride your high horse all the way to smugville, buddy.

I never understood America and their tipping culture. If you buy more expensive food you have to pay more to waiter too? Like what? But then again, tipping isn't a thing here so I don't understand any of this. Not to mention, don't waiters at fancy restaurants get paid a fancy wage?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47949484]I never understood America and their tipping culture. If you buy more expensive food you have to pay more to waiter too? Like what? But then again, tipping isn't a thing here so I don't understand any of this. Not to mention, don't waiters at fancy restaurants get paid a fancy wage?[/QUOTE] because a lot of waiters in the US get paid a shit wage and so heavily rely on tips. why is this so difficult to understand? no you don't have to tip but i'm in the opinion that it's the nice thing to do and you're a straight dickhole if you don't

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47949484]I never understood America and their tipping culture. If you buy more expensive food you have to pay more to waiter too? Like what? But then again, tipping isn't a thing here so I don't understand any of this. Not to mention, don't waiters at fancy restaurants get paid a fancy wage?[/QUOTE] Most people won't be able to afford those fancy restaurants and aren't qualified to work at said restaurants. I wouldn't be able to testify for what the tipping norm is for those fancy places simply because I'm not someone who would be going there with the limited funds I have available; I'd say that'd be true for most people here as well. But at a typical restaurant, wages for tip workers are deep below minimum wage (which is already hard enough to get by on). It's kind of a feedback loop that goes into itself. People started tipping as a bonus for a job well done, employers noticed this and legislation was eventually employed in order to legally allow them to drop the wages of those tipped employees, with wages sucking then those employees need to rely on those tips because they earn more from tips than they do from their employer.

[QUOTE=geel9;47942514]America.[/QUOTE] "Customer is always right"...but I've never really had any problems with people treating me like shit although I've had people give me stares as if I'm a bug beneath their boot. I'm sure it's worst in the big cities. And isn't there some restaurants that are getting rid of tips.

im actually surprised at the amount of people (Americans) here who don't tip. like when you're paying the pizza guy do you even look him in the eye or are you just like, "hehhh.. heere's the money. no tip" xDxDxD

Tipping is simply not a thing in countries with established workers rights and proper wages like my own

[QUOTE=New Cidem;47949440]The food industry is extremely stressful, unrewarding, and possibly dangerous. I work at a deli where people line up out the restaurant, fight each other, and sprint to beat others in line. One day, the power went out at the restaurant. The massive line of people waiting would have to leave, without electricity the kitchen staff could not cook. A group of "guests" decided to take their aggression out on a truck parked on the side of the building (reserved for employees) by smashing the windshield out with a rock. Coincidentally, this was my bosses' truck. On another occasion, an "irate" (as you so simply put it) guest followed me from where she was in line to personally insult me because I was on break, rather than taking orders. She insulted me for my appearance, my disabilities, and my perceived lack of importance. The local police are posted as [I]fucking guards during times of heavy business to prevent high school students and other guests from attacking each other or staff.[/I] And for your information, the great majority of fresh High School graduates [I]cannot[/I] do the job. The extreme stress, physical labor, and the duration of shifts make them all quit within a week. And here's the thing about it, we don't even have to take tips. We're paid $12 an hour and it's still too much for the average person to do. But no, by all means, continue to ride your high horse all the way to smugville, buddy.[/QUOTE] Because all of those issues you had are exclusive, bar none, to the food service. Get real. And for your information, I know [I]plenty[/I] of people in the food service who also recently graduated from HS. Seriously, it's the fucking food service. It's not sales at a retail store. It's not customer service. I guaran-fucking-tee you putting down "food service" as past employment isn't going to get you any oohs or aahs. Stop your crying.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949772]Seriously, it's the fucking food service. It's not customer service. [/QUOTE] This is 100% incorrect. Waiting or delivering is entirely servicing a customer. Sure you don't always have to field complaints over the phone made after the fact or on a repeat visit, but you are there for the duration of the interaction to serve that customer's wants. If that customer wants to bitch at you about how the chef/cook did a bad job or complain about you directly to your face (sometimes even calling the manager over so they can make you look like shit) they will do just that because fuck you.

[QUOTE=smfE;47949763]Tipping is simply not a thing in countries with established workers rights and proper wages like my own[/QUOTE] well that's great but not everyone is as lucky as you

To Insure Prompt Service is how I view tipping. I tip a bartender good so next time I don't have to wait 20 minutes to get a drink. I tip a hostess so next time I get seated quickly and where I want. I tip my waitress so I get my drinks quickly and my food hot.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;47949817]This is 100% incorrect. Waiting or delivering is entirely servicing a customer. Sure you don't always have to field complaints over the phone made after the fact or on a repeat visit, but you are there for the duration of the interaction to serve that customer's wants. If that customer wants to bitch at you about how the chef/cook did a bad job or complain about you directly to your face (sometimes even calling the manager over so they can make you look like shit) they will do just that because fuck you.[/QUOTE] You're there for the duration that the customer needs you, which is what 5 accumulated minutes of ordering, serving, refilling, etc. You're not hovering over them over the entire course of the meal, or at least I hope you're not. And let me clarify, you're right in that you're the face that the customer deals with should [I]something go wrong[/I]. That's the important bit there. Other jobs, say customer service at a retail job, have to deal with customers who are specifically there [I]because they already have something that's wrong.[/I] They deal with people who are likely pissed from the get-go. Food service deals with just serving people their food and getting yelled at when something goes wrong during the duration. Literally every problem you guys are describing aren't exclusive solely to food service.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949277]Rate me bad reading pls. Anyway, because what kind of logic is that? A $100 meal means I have to pay another $15 just because the waiter served me my food? The job that they're already paid to do? You're right, I'll leave the waiter extra if they did a great job, but I don't see how or why the bill has to be a factor in this.[/QUOTE] But if you don't tip and if what you say is true about employers having to pay minimum wage regardless, then why the fuck should tipping culture exist? Maybe some employers make up the difference but why is there a need for the difference to exist? Tipping should be a recognition of exceptional service, not a quasi-mandatory tradition that's supported by the law

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47950497]But if you don't tip and if what you say is true about employers having to pay minimum wage regardless, then why the fuck should tipping culture exist? Maybe some employers make up the difference but why is there a need for the difference to exist? Tipping should be a recognition of exceptional service, not a quasi-mandatory tradition that's supported by the law[/QUOTE] The vast majority of waiters/waitresses make more than minimum wage. It's pretty common to make $100 a night in tips from a middle class restaurant.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;47949831]well that's great but not everyone is as lucky as you[/QUOTE] not really luck

[QUOTE=sgman91;47950526]The vast majority of waiters/waitresses make more than minimum wage. It's pretty common to make $100 a night in tips from a middle class restaurant.[/QUOTE] It's not that much more, the average income for waiters, including tips, is just barely above minimum wage. And besides, there's still tons of payment inconsistencies on a weekly basis. But I'm not just talking about that, I'm also talking about how awful tipping culture is in general. The misconception that if tips didn't exist, there'd be no incentive for waiters to provide good service; the false sense of generosity some pretend to have when we all know it's all about tradition and fear of looking like an asshole; the notion that prices would be way higher if tipping wasn't a thing (when it's the fact that it is a thing that makes prices lower than they'd normally be); or the mentality that "if waiters want better pay, they should provide better service", even though studies have shown that the link between service quality and tip amounts is barely even there.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;47942754]Or even actually a proper minimum wage. From what I know, they get paid way under the minimum wage, relying on tips to make up the difference, so its gone from being a bonus to a job well done to pretty much a necessity.[/QUOTE] Kinda sad cuz the idea of tipping is for good service, including the food.

[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;47949537]because a lot of waiters in the US get paid a shit wage and so heavily rely on tips. why is this so difficult to understand? no you don't have to tip but i'm in the opinion that it's the nice thing to do and you're a straight dickhole if you don't[/QUOTE] So the employer isn't a dickhole for not paying their employees? But the customer has to fix that for what reason? Christ this society is so brainwashed.

[QUOTE=Rocket;47952654]If the employer paid them more the food would have to cost more to make up the difference. It's not like the employer is dragging in boatloads of pure profit by not paying his employees federal minimum wage for non-tipped employees.[/QUOTE] If you can't afford to give your employees minimum fucking wage then you shouldn't be in business. What you said can be applied to any damn business so why are restaurants getting a pass?

[QUOTE=Rocket;47952813]If you tip a respectable amount you're paying the same you would have to pay if they weren't tipped, you're just paying it in tip form instead of paying it in bill form. Margins are low in the restaurant business and if we suddenly switched to paying appropriate wages for the work and having no tipping, the price of everything else would have to rise to compensate.[/QUOTE] Then why not just do that? Why does this stupid system of "optional" tipping have to exist when they could just pay their employees appropriately and set the price on the menu to the actual cost to the customer?

[QUOTE=Iago;47952769]If you can't afford to give your employees minimum fucking wage then you shouldn't be in business. What you said can be applied to any damn business so why are restaurants getting a pass?[/QUOTE] How on earth do you get to this line of thinking Nobody said restaurants do it because they can't afford minimum wage, they do it because they don't have to. And Rocket sure as hell didn't imply that system is optimal

Tipping is stupid. End of story.

[QUOTE=Iago;47952769]If you can't afford to give your employees minimum fucking wage then you shouldn't be in business. What you said can be applied to any damn business so why are restaurants getting a pass?[/QUOTE] Actually most restaurants that aren't chains can barely scrape by. In fact a lot of them don't even break even within the first year or two of business. It's an incredibly competitive industry with razor thin profit margins. No one's making bank here.

[QUOTE=Jitterz;47949920]I tip a hostess so next time I get seated quickly and where I want. [/QUOTE] congrats you found the best way to completely break the section rotation and make every single server hate your favorite host [editline]14th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=waxrock;47949772]Because all of those issues you had are exclusive, bar none, to the food service. Get real. And for your information, I know [I]plenty[/I] of people in the food service who also recently graduated from HS. Seriously, it's the fucking food service. It's not sales at a retail store. It's not customer service. I guaran-fucking-tee you putting down "food service" as past employment isn't going to get you any oohs or aahs. Stop your crying.[/QUOTE] fucking get a load of this high-horse cunt who thinks it's cool to shit on the people who bring him his food you don't need a fucking degree or any fucking complicated skillsets to work in a restaurant, you just need the infinite patience to deal with untold numbers of assholes who think they're superior to you because you don't need a degree or any complicated skillsets to work in a restaurant, while also multitasking every table you may have on a busy night, and doing sidework, and bussing those tables, and dealing with possible shitty management the fact is, literally [I]no job[/I] out there has as much customer interaction as waiting tables, and the assholes outnumber the cool folks 2:1 like, the amount of scumfuck people posting in this thread in general should probably clue you in to exactly how badly food service workers have it

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949143]I always laugh whenever people bring this up. Stop acting like food service is the hardest fucking job in the world. You get the orders and you bring out the food. You deal with the occasional irate customer, just like literally every other job where you have direct contact with the customer. There are [I]many[/I] other non-tipped jobs, yet I don't hear them crying "hurr only people who haven't worked food service don't know how hard it is." If an 18yr old in/fresh out of highschool can do the job, then it's [I]very[/I] difficult to believe that it's such a hard job. On top of all that, you already have a whole tipping culture standing right behind you to supplement your wage. I already tip because it's customary and all that bullshit, but stop acting conceited as fuck. You're doing your job that you're already paid to do. TIPPING should never be expected. Just do your job well because it's your fucking job[/QUOTE] Hey, fuck you asshole, tell that to my face after a 9 hour shift waiting 500+ tables in an extremely high foot traffic restaurant. Nobody said it was the hardest job in the world. Granted, I'd rather be dealing with cunts like you than siphoning shit out of sewers, but stop acting like because we aren't dealing with the gnarliest of the gnar, we aren't entitled to an opinion. [B]Edit:[/B] like, holy shit, fuck you uggghhhh [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming, cooooool it" - Craptasket))[/highlight]