French waiters aren’t rude, they merely demand respect - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47955535] you're trying to imply that food service is some sort of simplistic menial labor fit for those who can't work anywhere else, and it shows a lot about exactly how distasteful a person you must be[/QUOTE] yeah i don't know what fuckin planet you live on but anyone working as a waiter that isn't employed at a 4+ star restaurant and pulling down major tips every night gets the fuck out of the food industry as soon as they possibly can

[QUOTE=FFStudios;47955619]yeah i don't know what fuckin planet you live on but anyone working as a waiter that isn't employed at a 4+ star restaurant and pulling down major tips every night gets the fuck out of the food industry as soon as they possibly can[/QUOTE] well yeah but i dunno how that relates to what i said [QUOTE=hexpunK;47955585]Stop this nonsense of trying to make everyone pointing out that waiting tables isn't a super top-tier job as nothing but irredeemable assholes. Most of these people are probably the exact kind of customer you'd want, someone who wont kick up a fuss because they know your job is shit.[/QUOTE] i never said it's a top tier job, it's a shit bottom level job, which is why waxrock needs to have a lot more respect for the people doing it [QUOTE=waxrock;47955589]If a recent HS graduate is capable of doing a job, then there's no way in hell that job is as hard as you are making it to be.[/QUOTE] lmfao the military is made up mostly of recent hs graduates, just sayin so your views on what makes a job hard or not might be a little bit biased towards petty ageism

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47955673]well yeah but i dunno how that relates to what i said i never said it's a top tier job, it's a shit bottom level job, which is why waxrock needs to have a lot more respect for the people doing it lmfao[/QUOTE] Like what do you want me to do? I already said I treat waiters well. I tip them the standard amount. In what way am I disrespecting them? I literally stated a fact: waiting isn't [I]that[/I] difficult. So hence why it's called "unskilled", or as you put it, "menial". Are you arguing against that? Because I don't know where the fuck you're going with this.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47955589]Says the fuck that can't debate without resorting to calling names in the first place.[/QUOTE] do you see the irony in this sentence

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47955713]do you see the irony in this sentence[/QUOTE] do you not see how I only started after you did

[QUOTE=waxrock;47949143]I always laugh whenever people bring this up. Stop acting like food service is the hardest fucking job in the world. You get the orders and you bring out the food. You deal with the occasional irate customer, just like literally every other job where you have direct contact with the customer. There are [I]many[/I] other non-tipped jobs, yet I don't hear them crying "hurr only people who haven't worked food service don't know how hard it is." If an 18yr old in/fresh out of highschool can do the job, then it's [I]very[/I] difficult to believe that it's such a hard job. On top of all that, you already have a whole tipping culture standing right behind you to supplement your wage. I already tip because it's customary and all that bullshit, but stop acting conceited as fuck. You're doing your job that you're already paid to do. TIPPING should never be expected. Just do your job well because it's your fucking job[/QUOTE] and [QUOTE=waxrock;47949772]Because all of those issues you had are exclusive, bar none, to the food service. Get real. And for your information, I know [I]plenty[/I] of people in the food service who also recently graduated from HS. Seriously, it's the fucking food service. It's not sales at a retail store. It's not customer service. I guaran-fucking-tee you putting down "food service" as past employment isn't going to get you any oohs or aahs. Stop your crying.[/QUOTE] both sound pretty fucking disrespectful to me

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47955727]and both sound pretty fucking disrespectful to me[/QUOTE] "have you ever worked food service at any point in your life" and "riots start when shit goes wrong at my restaurant". Sounds like I'm pointing out bullshit.

have you though

[QUOTE=waxrock;47955747]"have you ever worked food service at any point in your life" and "riots start when shit goes wrong at my restaurant". Sounds like I'm pointing out bullshit.[/QUOTE] You're such a belligerent dickhead. Just because it's unskilled labor does not mean it's not hard work. You often work long (8+ hr) shifts, constantly move around, deal with assholes, carry lots of plates and heavy things back and forth all day in a fast-paced, stressful environment. Are you deliberately trying to demean people by saying "oh it's not THAT hard"? Asking if you have ever worked food service before is a pretty relevant question to your shitty fucking attitude.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47955589]Says the fuck that can't debate without resorting to calling names in the first place.[/QUOTE] are you real????

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;47955896]You're such a belligerent dickhead. Just because it's unskilled labor does not mean it's not hard work. You often work long (8+ hr) shifts, constantly move around, deal with assholes, carry lots of plates and heavy things back and forth all day in a fast-paced, stressful environment. Are you deliberately trying to demean people by saying "oh it's not THAT hard"? Asking if you have ever worked food service before is a pretty relevant question to your shitty fucking attitude.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking serious. When did I ever say it's not hard work at all. I like how most examples trying to refute the fact that food service is an unskilled job are extreme examples painting some shady restaurant set in a war-torn country. I've already said a million, fucking, times that I know it's not easy work, just stop acting like it's some exclusive job full of only assholes and ungrateful people. How hard is that to understand? I didn't realize that pointing out how there are many other jobs that are just as hard was disrespectful. How about you harden the fuck up? And "have you ever worked in food service at any point" wasn't even directed at me. Good job you work 8 hours like any other job. And you deal with assholes. Like any other job. And work in a fast-paced, stressful environment. Like many other jobs. And are you for real? I literally stated that I only said so because I wasn't the one coming out of the gates calling everyone assholes but apparently when I do it back it's such a fucking sin. My god.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47956304]Are you fucking serious. When did I ever say it's not hard work at all. I like how most examples trying to refute the fact that food service is an unskilled job are extreme examples painting some shady restaurant set in a war-torn country. I've already said a million, fucking, times that I know it's not easy work, just stop acting like it's some exclusive job full of only assholes and ungrateful people. How hard is that to understand? I didn't realize that pointing out how there are many other jobs that are just as hard was disrespectful. How about you harden the fuck up? And "have you ever worked in food service at any point" wasn't even directed at me you illiterate fuck. And are you for real? I literally stated that I only said so because I wasn't the one coming out of the gates calling everyone assholes but apparently when I do it back it's such a fucking sin. My god.[/QUOTE] Maybe people would care more for what you had to say if you didn't blow a gasket with every post.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;47956329]Maybe people would care more for what you had to say if you didn't blow a gasket with every post.[/QUOTE] And I like how you still ignore the fact that I didn't blow the gasket in the first place. Good job man. Point fingers at the guy that responded in kind.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;47942754]Or even actually a proper minimum wage. From what I know, they get paid way under the minimum wage, relying on tips to make up the difference, so its gone from being a bonus to a job well done to pretty much a necessity.[/QUOTE] I'm a waiter in Chicago, the way it works around here as a waiter/waitress is that you work for tips and such every day and if you make more money in tips than you do in your regular wage they don't pay you your regular wage and you just take home the tip money. If you make under that in tips, they pay you your regular wage. It's pretty shitty. [editline]14th June 2015[/editline] A slow day can really hurt your paycheck

I''ve worked just about every facet of food service: kitchen, cleaning, registers, etc. and would say that it's not very hard work. From my experience most people act nicely towards you if you act nicely towards them, and most people don't want to be a problem. The hardest part of food service is the monotony of doing that's that don't really matter. Of course I'm using the word 'hard' comparatively here. I mean, it's harder than not working, but compared to other jobs it's pretty easy.

[B]Side note, just to comment about restaurants in Argentina: [/B][I]In Buenos Aires, if a restaurant puts into your bill the cutlery (cubiertos) but they didn't give you bread, a free glass of water and salt they are just doing something against the law. Many people don't know it, but yes there's a law against that and yes it can be argued and if the owner/manager doesn't comply, you can go to Consumer Defence and ask for a settlement before going to a Consumer Court. 100% you'll win. Yeah, you'll be saying "Wait the guy is a fucking rat" but thing is, those restaurants that charge you 30 per cutlery...picture the numbers. A family of 3, that's, literally, 90 free pesos. Because, let's be honest, to wash a fork, a knife, a plate and a glass doesn't cost you 30 pesos....They're raking in thousands of pesos without cost -The cost of what I mentioned is mentioned in the dishes-[/I] [B]On topic: [/B] As an Argentine I find that stupid "15-10% tip included" of USA so [B]annoying [/B]and really, is it legal to charge that? Include it in the price of the dishes ffs. Is there something like Consumer Defence over there? [B][I]how the fuck can I know that money goes to the waiter?[/I][/B] The costume here in Argentina is to pay in cash, wait for the change, and then leave the tip for the waiter to pick it up. Not giving it away in the bill. [B]As I see it, and everyone else sees here, the tip is just for how the waiter attended you. [/B]No matter the place, everyone gets tipped. From that shitty bar in Lugano to that top bistro in Palermo Soho. Some waiters are punks and some waiters are real gentleman. No, I found both in the same restaurant...so if the issue is the wage, then talk about it separately. Also, I went last week with my father to a grill owned by the group that handles one of the best restaurants (La Rosa Negra) in Buenos Aires. The waiter that served us....a total dickhead. We left him 20 pesos. And let's be honest....his wage, is not the minimum, far from that.... On the other hand, there's a little low-middle class restaurant we always go to "Lo de la Mema"...and the waiter who happens to live in a shitty area with shitty wages, treated us one thousand times better than the guy I previously mentioned. We left him around 70 pesos. No, the logic isn't "The guy was tipped generously -> Good attitude". He has a good attitude with everyone, and remember, the people who frequent there, don't leave tips of 70 pesos. On the other hand, the first place....is frequented by TOURISTS and they leave tips with the US logic in mind (10 percent) which is way too fucking much. Way? Well, because that, per capita, charges around 300-400 pesos. A business meeting easily goes over the 2000 pesos. So....there you have it. The guy nailed 300-400 pesos with a dickhead attitude plus being paid what he's being paid. Tip != Wage. The tip shouldn't be managed nor touched by the restaurant staff. That's totally dependent on the client. And viceversa, the wage should be totally managed by the staff. Not by the client, making him pay extra more in the final bill. [QUOTE]I'm a waiter in Chicago, the way it works around here as a waiter/waitress is that you work for tips and such every day and if you make more money in tips than you do in your regular wage they don't pay you your regular wage and you just take home the tip money. If you make under that in tips, they pay you your regular wage. It's pretty shitty. [/QUOTE] What? Dude, you're employer is ripping the fuck out of you guys. Don't you have a syndicate or union? That's totally bullshit. He/She should pay you the wage for doing YOUR job and the tips are a bonus for HOW you treat the customers.

If you don't even get paid a wage, why do you even work there? Might as well go out on the streets and panhandle for money instead.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;47953763]I don't completely agree with waxrock but do you live in Somalia or something, what the fuck. People [B]riot[/B] when they can't get their bologna where you live?[/QUOTE] This is far more common than you think. Food has become a commodity in western civilization, and people treat the people who deal with it as menials or somehow afflicted. see: waxrock or how about thisispain's rich suburban girlfriend, Leigh Alexander: [quote] what's your real job? hourly? foodservice? [/quote] [quote]Why are waiters in US not paid a minimum wage like normal jobs? [/quote] Because it's not considered a real job. The general consensus is this is something you do while going to school to get by, because you're working both service and commodity, which europe and the us consider to be the lowest form of work, especially the US where how important you are is directly and only tied to how much money you make. This is directly compounded by the fact that minimum wage is pretty much unlivable income in the US, in all but two states, which carries the additional stigma that basically you're a leech on society because you don't make enough to own a house or car without severe assistance. The best of this view is the people now bannering it are usually the kind (see above) that are rather likely to have entirely subsisted on their blackhawk helicopter parents' handouts even after college without ever having had to juggle making insurance, house payment, car payment and utilities soley by and for themselves. [quote] retarded [/quote] Considering your lack of salient diction and your forum avatar, pretty sure retarded is on your CV under the qualification section.

-snipped, not worth it-

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47945060]Tipping is inconvenient and unnecessary, and even if workers do get paid minimum wage, it shouldn't be something the customer has to deal with[/QUOTE] put it in the price of my fucking food it's not my place to evaluate your service, i just want the food and to leave i avoid restaurants altogether because of this bullshit

[QUOTE=27X;47957779]Because it's not considered a real job.[/QUOTE] I actually don't agree with this. Servers make tips because their job is 100% about serving people. They don't make anything (like cooks), they don't create anything, etc. The only thing they do is make people happy. That's it. You judge a server based on how happy they make the customer. This doesn't really apply to many other jobs.

[QUOTE=Rocket;47958853]What is it with Facepunch and insults about reading comprehension? It's like nobody realizes that other people can get different meanings out of your post than what you intended to write.[/QUOTE] It's easier than making an actual counterpoint or clarifying your meaning, why bother thinking or reasoning when you can just scream at people

[QUOTE=Deng;47955445]How much and how often? I haven't heard of this before and I've looked it up. Not even confused American tourists here have tried leaving any tips. [/QUOTE] I said something earlier about house keeping being dehumanized and this is related to it. Hotel maids have to deal with tons of shit, and the stereotype of them being little mexican ladies who don't speak english and are unnoticed is largely true. They don't often get tipped, and when they do it's generally just whatever loose piles of change you have on hand, it's not nearly as standardized as in the food industry and I don't think Hotels really recognize tips at all. Tipping in hotels is way more of a goodwill act than the expected waiter tipping.

[QUOTE=Rocket;47958853]What is it with Facepunch and insults about reading comprehension? It's like nobody realizes that other people can get different meanings out of your post than what you intended to write.[/QUOTE] I was responding to: [quote] who thinks it's cool to shit on the people who bring him his food[/quote] When my point that HS grads doing a job is a pretty good indicator on how difficult the job is [I]not that it's easy in any way, shape or form [/I] but it's nowhere near the bullshit pictures that they paint eg riots, 500+ tables in 9 hours, 66% of all people are assholes, etc. [quote] basis behind your whole "only high schoolers work food service" spiel[/quote] Never said it. [quote]debatable[/quote] Because the dude starts to insult me and I respond in kind.

[QUOTE=waxrock;47960204]I was responding to: When my point that HS grads doing a job is a pretty good indicator on how difficult the job is [I]not that it's easy in any way, shape or form [/I] but it's nowhere near the bullshit pictures that they paint eg riots, 500+ tables in 9 hours, 66% of all people are assholes, etc. Never said it. Because the dude starts to insult me and I respond in kind.[/QUOTE] You never said something you basically just fucking restated here? Wow.

"Only high schoolers work food service" versus "HS grads can do food service" Yeah man. You totally got it.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;47960071]I said something earlier about house keeping being dehumanized and this is related to it. Hotel maids have to deal with tons of shit, and the stereotype of them being little mexican ladies who don't speak english and are unnoticed is largely true. They don't often get tipped, and when they do it's generally just whatever loose piles of change you have on hand, it's not nearly as standardized as in the food industry and I don't think Hotels really recognize tips at all. Tipping in hotels is way more of a goodwill act than the expected waiter tipping.[/QUOTE] [url]http://housekeepersrant-sarah.blogspot.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47960304]You never said something you basically just fucking restated here? Wow.[/QUOTE] it's like he doesn't even understand what he's implying himself

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;47957469][B] What? Dude, you're employer is ripping the fuck out of you guys. Don't you have a syndicate or union? That's totally bullshit. He/She should pay you the wage for doing YOUR job and the tips are a bonus for HOW you treat the customers.[/QUOTE] It's a syndicate. I know people have tried to complain and even brought up lawsuits but nothing has gone far enough as far as I'm aware. Also I work there just because I'm a part time student and this gives me the most versatile hours.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;47962634]it's like he doesn't even understand what he's implying himself[/QUOTE] I didn't realize the exclusivity of a job is literally the same thing as having the capability of doing the job. It's like you don't even understand anything..