Director of anti-Islam film requests police protection - Polidicks

I hate people who take their beliefs too personally. If you are ready to hurt someone for offending your god/prophet/whatever then you need help. If you go that far in the name of religion, you've been brainwashed.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661257]Well no, not really. The main idea is that a physical depiction of the prophet is expressly forbidden, it's a measure taken so that future generations of Islam don't end up worshipping these figures. The prophet Muhammad was just a man, who was a messenger for God. Nothing more. Muslims are told to remember that, and avoid what they believe happened with Christianity (where Christians started believing that Jesus was the son of God or a God-like person, paintings and figures of Jesus everywhere). So that's one bad thing he did. Another is that he not only depicted him, but he mocked him and called him a child molester. It's like adding salt to the wound. The same happened in Denmark because they called the prophet a suicidal terrorist. It's one of those cultural barrier things, but people aren't angry because the prophet isn't being revered by the rest of the world. They're just very offended by a physical depiction of him, and even more offended by insults towards him.[/QUOTE] as much as that's not a terrible goal, it's stupid on the other end of the spectrum to get mad at any depiction. even if people get offended by it, it's a completely benign thing like pissing on a bible and it's hardly justification for violence or even getting it taken down. actual calls for violence and things that mean serious harm are fine for hate speech, but just because someone gets offended by something doesn't mean it's hateful.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661301]Yes.[/QUOTE] It's not hate speech, really. Christianity, Islam calls us cancer (Bible and Quran). If it is considered as hate speech, Bible and Quran should be banned.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37661306]Dont pull the sensationalist card. Anything can be branded as hate speech by virtually everyone, thus shouldn't be deemed a crime by law.[/QUOTE] you cant pull all the stops, certain things that call for actual violence such as putting a fatwah on someone maybe but just being offensive just to piss them off is hardly hate speech.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37661306]Dont pull the sensationalist card. Anything can be branded as hate speech by virtually everyone, thus shouldn't be deemed a crime by law.[/QUOTE] Exactly, look what happens when you make "hate speech" illegal... Being against Israel is hate-speech and anti-Semitism in California apparently.

Qur'an: "May Allah destroy Jews and Christians" "We will burn anyone who disbelieves in our verses, every time their skins are roasted through, we will replace them with new skins." "Boiling water will be poured to disbelievers' heads, it will melt their bellies and their skins" [QUOTE]Qur'an, 9:30 "The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Qur'an, 4:56: "Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise." Qur'an, 30:45: "That He may reward those who have believed and done righteous deeds out of His bounty. Indeed, He does not like the disbelievers." Qur'an, 22:20-21: "These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water, by which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins,"[/QUOTE] I mean, come on. It is obvious that Islam hates anyone who is not a Muslim. Anyone has the right to call Islam cancer here.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661378]I mean, come on. It is obvious that Islam hates anyone who is not a Muslim. Anyone has the right to call Islam cancer here.[/QUOTE] Do you extend that logic to every world religion?

[QUOTE=erazor;37661130]Well he did deliberately mislead the actors into thinking the film was unrelated to anything Biblical or Quranic. Not sure if that's any ground for prosecution, though.[/QUOTE] Stanley Kubrick did the same with quite a few of his actors.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661387]Do you extend that logic to every world religion?[/QUOTE] Can you tell me how Islam doesn't hate anyone who is not a Muslim instead of straying away from what I just posted? Please, do that instead of acting like a smartass. Explain those verses to me. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] No really, tell me how this isn't hate speech. [QUOTE]Qur'an: "May Allah destroy Jews and Christians" "We will burn anyone who disbelieves in our verses, every time their skins are roasted through, we will replace them with new skins." "Boiling water will be poured to disbelievers' heads, it will melt their bellies and their skins" ------ Qur'an, 9:30 "The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? Qur'an, 4:56: "Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise." Qur'an, 30:45: "That He may reward those who have believed and done righteous deeds out of His bounty. Indeed, He does not like the disbelievers." Qur'an, 22:20-21: "These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water, by which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins,"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661399]Can you tell me how Islam doesn't hate anyone who is not a Muslim instead of straying away from what I just posted? Please, do that instead of acting like a smartass. Explain those verses to me.[/QUOTE] jesus says a lot of things about charity and rich man/camel. doesn't stop the church itself from amassing huge amounts of cash and right-wingers all over loving money and jesus. no-one follows their holy book to the word, not even mormons who somehow absolved the sins of blacks despite the book of mormon saying the opposite. its completely fallacious to assume just because its said in the holy book, anyone follows it.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661434]jesus says a lot of things about charity and rich man/camel. doesn't stop the church itself from amassing huge amounts of cash and right-wingers all over loving money and jesus. no-one follows their holy book to the word, not even mormons who somehow absolved the sins of blacks despite the book of mormon saying the opposite. its completely fallacious to assume just because its said in the holy book, anyone follows it.[/QUOTE] I never mentioned believing in it or not. Those verses from Qur'an obviously burst hate against non-Muslims. It's literally saying "May Allah destroy Jews and Christians", "We will burn anyone who disbelieves in our verses, every time their skins are roasted we will replace them with new ones", " "Boiling water will be poured to disbelievers' heads, it will melt their bellies and their skins" This seems like hate to me.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661447]I never mentioned believing in it or not. Those verses from Qur'an obviously burst hate against non-Muslims. It's literally saying "May Allah destroy Jews and Christians", "We will burn anyone who disbelieves in our verses, every time their skins are roasted we will replace them with new ones", " "Boiling water will be poured to disbelievers' heads, it will melt their bellies and their skins" This seems like hate to me.[/QUOTE] and anyone who openly says shit like that and means it is an idiot or trying to incite violence. people take the violent parts when they want to be violent and the peaceful parts when they want to be peaceful. the book itself is not being published or written now, it is ancient and an archive. its revisionist garbage to go through mark twain and remove the word nigger saying its hateful in the modern day and its pointless to go through holy texts when for the most part no-one follows those parts.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661469]and anyone who openly says shit like that and means it is an idiot or trying to incite violence. people take the violent parts when they want to be violent and the peaceful parts when they want to be peaceful. the book itself is not being published or written now, it is ancient and an archive. its revisionist garbage to go through mark twain and remove the word nigger saying its hateful in the modern day and its pointless to go through holy texts when for the most part no-one follows those parts.[/QUOTE] So eventually we can come to the conclusion of Islam preaching hate, can't we? I just gave you proof.

Conspiracy what do you think of what he posted, since you're a fairly understanding Muslim.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661482]So eventually we can come to the conclusion of Islam preaching hate, can't we? I just gave you proof.[/QUOTE] except they dont preach that, they mostly ignore those parts of the book, just like you dont read the whole bible for a sermon. no-one follows those parts, no-one acts on those, most put it in a nicer context than pure violence. the point is that despite whatever garbage is written in an ancient text, people dont preach it.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661500]except they dont preach that, they mostly ignore those parts of the book, just like you dont read the whole bible for a sermon. no-one follows those parts, no-one acts on those, most put it in a nicer context than pure violence. the point is that despite whatever garbage is written in an ancient text, people dont preach it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]So we can eventually come to the conclusion of ISLAM being violent, can't we?[/QUOTE] Come on, you are pushing the arguement away on the Muslims. I'm not talking about Muslims here, I'm talking about how Islam preaches hate against non-muslims. So you agree that Islam hates non-muslims. Good, non-muslims have the right to deny or even insult Islam since Islam provokes them. You can't call it hate speech when someone hates Islam. It's like accusing a Jew with hate speech because he hates Nazism.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37661498]What a silly argument. If no one really follows their holy books to the word, what's the point of even believing? If you're just going to cherry pick whatever you deem appropriate then you aren't really following that religion. Why even half-ass faith and not fully devote yourself to it? Im not going to go further than this because it'll just end up in another religious war, but the assumption that "no one REALLY follows their religion" is a completely irrelevant statement not to mention a fallacy. Sonerin was attacking [I]the religion[/I], not [I]the people [/I]who may or may not be part of it in their own twisted, cherry picking way.[/QUOTE] congrats on finding one of the early points of religion, people believe random shit and doublethink everywhere. people follow it because it makes them feel better, that god is watching them and also fear of retribution if they dont. this is all basic stuff. think of christianity, ever heard of the eucharist? every different sect believes different things but its all from the same book. why? BECAUSE THE INSTITUTION OF RELIGION IS MORE THAN JUST THE CENTRAL TEXT. people take whatever and start a culture based off the book, which can and does change. its a tricky idea if you cant think abstractly, but they have more than just the quran for holy texts and literature. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=sonerin;37661519]Come on, you are pushing the arguement away on the Muslims. I'm not talking about Muslims here, I'm talking about how Islam preaches hate against non-muslims. So you agree that Islam hates non-muslims. Good, non-muslims have the right to deny and insult Islam since Islam provokes them.[/QUOTE] islam is based off the quran, but is an entity in itself. what islam preaches is a mishmash of things from the quran and in its current state, does not invoke the calls for violence. is this a hard idea?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661529]congrats on finding one of the early points of religion, people believe random shit and doublethink everywhere. people follow it because it makes them feel better, that god is watching them and also fear of retribution if they dont. this is all basic stuff. think of christianity, ever heard of the eucharist? every different sect believes different things but its all from the same book. why? BECAUSE THE INSTITUTION OF RELIGION IS MORE THAN JUST THE CENTRAL TEXT. people take whatever and start a culture based off the book, which can and does change. its a tricky idea if you cant think abstractly, but they have more than just the quran for holy texts and literature. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] islam is based off the quran, but is an entity in itself. what islam preaches is a mishmash of things from the quran and in its current state, does not invoke the calls for violence. is this a hard idea?[/QUOTE] The fact is Islam = Qur'an. Islam is pretty much what we call the religion that comes out of Qur'an. And the verses clearly speak hate against non-muslims as you can see them above. Therefore Qur'an contains hate speech against non-muslims, and Islam can be classed as a hateful religion.

Looks like I found the stormfront section of facepunch.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661556]The fact is Islam = Qur'an. Islam is pretty much what we call the religion that comes out of Qur'an. And it clearly speaks hate against non-muslims, therefore Qur'an contains hate speech against non-muslims.[/QUOTE] no, it is not. islam is the institution of a religion that is based on the quran. it is only restricted by what the adherents of the religion will believe. it is absurdly narrow-sighted to think that a religion which is so diversified and open to interpretation is the exact same as a static book.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661572]no, it is not. islam is the institution of a religion that is based on the quran. it is only restricted by what the adherents of the religion will believe. it is absurdly narrow-sighted to think that a religion which is so diversified and open to interpretation is the exact same as a static book.[/QUOTE] It really is. Islam came from Qur'an and Muhammad's verses, and they contain hate speech against non-muslims. You should stop red herring. What's so hard to understand about this? It seems as if you are trying to twist things up to make it seem more complicated, and avoiding the simple truth here.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661573]What's so hard to understand about this? It seems as if you are trying to twist things up to make it seem more complicated, and avoiding the simple truth here.[/QUOTE] its not hard, you're just wrong. the fact is that people DO NOT follow every word of the quran to the letter. they do not openly preach violence and the fact you think they do just shows how you have absolutely no exposure to the reality of the situation. when reality disagrees with your beliefs, who is wrong?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661571]Looks like I found the stormfront section of facepunch.[/QUOTE] Someone should do a weather report.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37661598]Someone should do a weather report.[/QUOTE] raining sideways

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661597]its not hard, you're just wrong. the fact is that people DO NOT follow every word of the quran to the letter. they do not openly preach violence and the fact you think they do just shows how you have absolutely no exposure to the reality of the situation. when reality disagrees with your beliefs, who is wrong?[/QUOTE] I just realised that you haven't been reading anything that I've just said in this thread. For the last time, I am [B]NOT[/B] speaking about [B]MUSLIMS.[/B] I am speaking about [B]QUR'ANIC VERSES THAT PREACH HATE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS. [/B] I just capsed and bolded them out in hope of you reading my words.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661610]I just realised that you haven't been reading anything that I've just said in this thread. For the last time, I am [B]NOT[/B] speaking about [B]MUSLIMS.[/B] I am speaking about [B]QUR'ANIC VERSES THAT PREACH HATE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS. [/B] I just capsed and bolded them out in hope of you reading my words.[/QUOTE] Are you some kind of apologist?

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37661624]Criticizing Islam doesn't make one a stormfag in the same way criticizing Israel doesn't make one antisemitic.[/QUOTE] No. But it's funny how I honestly couldn't tell the difference between this and a stormfront thread right now.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661630]No. But it's funny how I honestly couldn't tell the difference between this and a stormfront thread right now.[/QUOTE] Stormfront is not an anti-religious forum.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661399]Can you tell me how Islam doesn't hate anyone who is not a Muslim instead of straying away from what I just posted? Please, do that instead of acting like a smartass. Explain those verses to me. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] No really, tell me how this isn't hate speech.[/QUOTE] jesus christ what the fuck is up with you and your islam hate

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661617]Are you some kind of apologist?[/QUOTE] Well it's pretty obvious he is an apologist; the word just means speaking in defense of something controversial, and you don't need him to say he is. What I don't understand is why you're using "apologist" in the context of it being something bad: it's not. It's just speaking in defense of the controversial.