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[QUOTE=sonerin;37661632]Stormfront is not an anti-religious forum.[/QUOTE] It's funny, looking through your post history, you're like the stormfront archtype.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661610]I just realised that you haven't been reading anything that I've just said in this thread. For the last time, I am [B]NOT[/B] speaking about [B]MUSLIMS.[/B] I am speaking about [B]QUR'ANIC VERSES THAT PREACH HATE AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS. [/B] I just capsed and bolded them out in hope of you reading my words.[/QUOTE] oh, i see what the problem is. you can't tell the difference between what someone believes and what the text says. since you dont seem to understand how a religion is fluid and changable, this is going to be difficult. let me just say that islam is what people believe, particularly the priests and people who propagate the religion. there are different denominations which interpret the same text in different ways, these are both islam even though they contradict each other. i know its hard to imagine things other than books, but thats just how it is and no-one acutally preaches hate speech, its just written. ffs he doesnt even know what a religion is.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661632]Stormfront is not an anti-religious forum.[/QUOTE] It's as much of an anti-religious forum as this is a Valve forum. Sure, it's really made for Gmod, but shit man, you might as well call it a Valve forum because of the sections, fans and constant Valve news and you might as well call Stormfront anti-religious in the same way even if it's a pro-whitey forum.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661651]oh, i see what the problem is. you can't tell the difference between what someone believes and what the text says. since you dont seem to understand how a religion is fluid and changable, this is going to be difficult. let me just say that islam is what people believe, particularly the priests and people who propagate the religion. there are different denominations which interpret the same text in different ways, these are both islam even though they contradict each other. i know its hard to imagine things other than books, but thats just how it is and no-one acutally preaches hate speech, its just written. ffs he doesnt even know what a religion is.[/QUOTE] You and your inability of reading even if I bold my text out and caps them. You continuously drag the arguement on Muslims while I'm trying to talk about the verses in Qur'an that preach hate against non-muslims. I want you to explain me how Islam is not a violent religion while it contains hateful verses against non-muslims.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661674]You and your inability of reading even if I bold my text out and caps them. You continuously drag the arguement on Muslims while I'm trying to talk about the verses in Qur'an that preach hate against non-muslims. I want you to explain me how Islam is not a violent religion while it contains hateful verses against non-muslims.[/QUOTE] But you're acting like Islam is exceptional in it's hatefulness. It's pretty damn standard. I liked this post of yours. [quote=sonerin]Why should it [europe] be overpopulated with immigrants and lose its culture just because other countries can't keep up?[/quote]

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661674]You and your inability of reading even if I bold my text out and caps them. You continuously drag the arguement on Muslims while I'm trying to talk about the verses in Qur'an that preach hate against non-muslims. I want you to explain me how Islam is not a violent religion while it contains hateful verses against non-muslims.[/QUOTE] the main point here is that you refuse to acknowledge that the quran is not the exact same as islam. islam is what people believe, the quran is the book which is the basis for this. most dont follow or preach the hateful verses, so they do not propagate or even think of hateful things. forget it. you can't even wrap your head around a religion as an institution that is changable rather than a static belief. its just pointless.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661699]But you're acting like Islam is exceptional in it's hatefulness. It's pretty damn standard. I liked this post of yours.[/QUOTE] How am I acting so? Elaborate. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;37661701]the main point here is that you refuse to acknowledge that the quran is not the exact same as islam. islam is what people believe, the quran is the book which is the basis for this. most dont follow or preach the hateful verses, so they do not propagate or even think of hateful things. forget it. you can't even wrap your head around a religion as an institution that is changable rather than a static belief. its just pointless.[/QUOTE] Yeah, exactly. Islam is what people believe, and Islam is coming from Qur'an. If you believe in Islam, you pretty much believe in Qur'an and its verses. And for the last time, I'm not talking about if Muslims preach the verses or not, I'm talking about how Islam is hateful.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661706]How am I acting so? Elaborate.[/QUOTE] There is no reason why you should have a hardon over Islam, and Islam only. You're quite happy to defend white, Christian European culture from looking through your post history. It's literally 90% Islamophobia.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661706]Yeah, exactly. Islam is what people believe, and Islam is coming from Qur'an. If you believe in Islam, you pretty much believe in Qur'an and its verses. And for the last time, I'm not talking about if Muslims preach the verses or not, I'm talking about how Islam is hateful.[/QUOTE] alright, progress. islam is what people believe, and islam is BASED off the quran. it takes most things along with all the extra hadiths and work done by the institution, but it is what people actually believe that dictates what islam is. and if none of these people who believe it, is it part of what they believe?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661745]alright, progress. islam is what people believe, and islam is BASED off the quran. it takes most things along with all the extra hadiths and work done by the institution, but it is what people actually believe that dictates what islam is. and if none of these people who believe it, is it part of what they believe?[/QUOTE] And Qur'an is 95% of what Islam is, and it preaches hate against non-muslims. I still don't get what's so hard to understand about this. [QUOTE=NoDachi;37661730]There is no reason why you should have a hardon over Islam, and Islam only. You're quite happy to defend white, Christian European culture from looking through your post history. It's literally 90% Islamophobia.[/QUOTE] Islam, because I don't know much about Christianity and the other religions. I only have the right to speak about Islam since that is the religion I know about, not Christianity.

Oh look what you posted in that "Instant of Death" photo thread. [quote=sonerin]That's what they'll get for being daft terrorist dumbarses. Syria's government should keep up and stop these hate mongering people.[/quote] In another thread. [quote=sonerin]Good luck to the Syrian government. Look at the shit they have to deal with.[/quote]

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661768]Islam, because I don't know much about Christianity and the other religions. I only have the right to speak about Islam since that is the religion I know about, not Christianity.[/QUOTE] As a man who's read both the bible and Qur'an I can tell you, if you read the old testament you're in for a shock. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;37661781]Oh look what you posted in that "Instant of Death" photo thread.[/QUOTE] How does attacking him for things he say in other threads help the discussion ongoing here?

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661768]And Qur'an is 80% of what Islam is, and it preaches hate against non-muslims. I still don't get what's so hard to understand about this.[/QUOTE] but it is the quran that preaches hatred, islam does not. islam is not entirely the quran, it takes bits and pieces and it is what people actually believe. if islam does not preach the parts of the quran that are hateful, it is not hateful.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37661030]And legal prosecution.[/QUOTE]Should we prosecute people who made guns then?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661794]but it is the quran that preaches hatred, islam does not. islam is not entirely the quran, it takes bits and pieces and it is what people actually believe. if islam does not preach the parts of the quran that are hateful, it is not hateful.[/QUOTE] Islam is a social construct we use to define the religion of Qur'an and Muhammad. Qur'an is the root of what Islam is.

[QUOTE=mac338;37661784]How does attacking him for things he say in other threads help the discussion ongoing here?[/QUOTE] Because he's a far-right nutcase apologist. Suddenly everything he is trying to say ~make sense~

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661804]Islam is a social construct we use to call the religion of Qur'an and Muhammad. Qur'an is the root of what Islam is.[/QUOTE] but if this social construct does not include the hateful parts of the quran, how is it hateful? islam is the social construct of what people believe, it has a basis in the quram and is the religion of mohammad, but it is what people believe. and that belief does not include the hateful parts. i really hope we're not going in circles here.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661820]but if this social construct does not include the hateful parts of the quran, how is it hateful? islam is the social construct of what people believe, it has a basis in the quram and is the religion of mohammad, but it is what people believe. and that belief does not include the hateful parts. i really hope we're not going in circles here.[/QUOTE] Let me explain it this way. Quranic verses, according to Muhammad, came to Muhammad by Allah. Allah tells Muhammad that he hates non-muslims, and Islam is the religion of Allah.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661841]Let me explain it this way. Quranic verses, according to Muhammad, came to Muhammad by Allah. Allah tells Muhammad that he hates non-muslims, and Islam is the religion of Allah.[/QUOTE] Fundamentally.

Let's all settle this with me giving you all the dick.

[QUOTE=Tarver;37661856]Let's all settle this with me giving you all the dick.[/QUOTE] Yes, my French overlord.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661805]Because he's a far-right nutcase apologist.[/QUOTE] Disagree with him all you want but labeling him that as reason to invalidate everything he says is like calling Obama a socialist nutcase thereby invalidating him. I agree that sonerins views are extreme and from my perspective very disagreeable but c'mon man, be a bit constructive here. And again, what's with this 'apologist is bad' attitude? I figure Galileo Galilei was quite the apologist.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;37661834]What if some Muslims out there preach the same madness the Quran does? Who are you to claim who is a 'real' Muslim and who is just an isolated, extremist cell? Do you not understand that while you are arguing against generalizations, you are making one yourself by claiming that "not all" Muslims follow the Quran to the letter?[/QUOTE] i understand that and it makes better sense if i say all, he's a bit slow. this is the problem of every religion calling themselves the one true religion after all, you are an atheist, right? the point is not which is the true islam, it is which islam they follow. the ones that are not hateful follow a benign religion and aren't worth worrying about. the ones who do follow the hateful verses are a problem and you never see anyone in a western country actually calling for this without a real shitstorm. no-one follows it to the letter, it is the social construct, but what they believe is important. [QUOTE=sonerin;37661841]Let me explain it this way. Quranic verses, according to Muhammad, came to Muhammad by Allah. Allah tells Muhammad that he hates non-muslims, and Islam is the religion of Allah.[/QUOTE] but thats not what is important. islam is what people believe and if that does not include hateful things, is what they believe hateful? is it somehow hateful just by association? you cant just say it doesn't matter what muslims believe because what muslims believe is what constitutes the practicality of islam. if that does not include hateful things, is the islam that they believe hateful?

[QUOTE=mac338;37661875]Disagree with him all you want but labeling him that as reason to invalidate everything he says is like calling Obama a socialist nutcase thereby invalidating him. I agree that sonerins views are extreme and from my perspective very disagreeable but c'mon man, be a bit constructive here. And again, what's with this 'apologist is bad' attitude? I figure Galileo Galilei was quite the apologist.[/QUOTE] But you can't discount [I]why[/I] some one is saying these things. He's cherry-picking arguments that fit his warped world view. It's not a credible argument, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Enjoy your circular arguments with him.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;37661802]Should we prosecute people who made guns then?[/QUOTE] Guns =/= film/movie. One is a medium that's used to spread your message or entertain people, the other is directly designed to kill using ammunition designed for it. Nice try, but 0/10, see me after class mister.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661883]i understand that and it makes better sense if i say all, he's a bit slow. this is the problem of every religion calling themselves the one true religion after all, you are an atheist, right? the point is not which is the true islam, it is which islam they follow. the ones that are not hateful follow a benign religion and aren't worth worrying about. the ones who do follow the hateful verses are a problem and you never see anyone in a western country actually calling for this without a real shitstorm. no-one follows it to the letter, it is the social construct, but what they believe is important. but thats not what is important. islam is what people believe and if that does not include hateful things, is what they believe hateful? is it somehow hateful just by association? you cant just say it doesn't matter what muslims believe because what muslims believe is what constitutes the practicality of islam. if that does not include hateful things, is the islam that they believe hateful?[/QUOTE] But if you believe in Islam, that means you believe in Allah. Allah thinks that non-muslims are to be hated. If you are a Muslim, and believe in Allah, who are you to disagree with his views?

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661899]But if you believe in Islam, that means you believe in Allah. Allah thinks that non-muslims are to be hated. If you are a Muslim, and believe in Allah, who are you to disagree with his views?[/QUOTE] Don't you mean 'god'?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;37661894]But you can't discount [I]why[/I] some one is saying these things. He's cherry-picking arguments that fit his warped world view. It's not a credible argument, and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Enjoy your circular arguments with him.[/QUOTE] If you feel a discussion progresses nowhere, you stop. Otherwise, what's the point of it?

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661899]But if you believe in Islam, that means you believe in Allah. Allah thinks that non-muslims are to be hated. If you are a Muslim, and believe in Allah, who are you to disagree with his views?[/QUOTE] do you want me to spoiler it? [sp]allah isn't real, he's a social construct too[sp] allah believes what people believe he believes. if everyone agrees that allah loves ice cream, it must just be something mohammad forgot to include, same as christians and abortion. it still comes back to what muslims believe constituting islam far more than what the quran says.

[QUOTE=mac338;37661915]If you feel a discussion progresses nowhere, you stop. Otherwise, what's the point of it?[/QUOTE] sonerin is like a important part for a perpetual motion machine. Stuck in a loop and constantly going 'round and 'round.