Director of anti-Islam film requests police protection - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mac338;37661915]If you feel a discussion progresses nowhere, you stop. Otherwise, what's the point of it?[/QUOTE] I only got involved because I made a joke about this being something you see in stormfront, and people didn't believe me :v:

[QUOTE=Van-man;37661936]sonerin is like a important part for a perpetual motion machine. Stuck in a loop and constantly going 'round and 'round.[/QUOTE] im making progress dammit, dont ruin it now

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[QUOTE=Devodiere;37661930]do you want me to spoiler it? [sp]allah isn't real, he's a social construct too[sp] allah believes what people believe he believes. if everyone agrees that allah loves ice cream, it must just be something mohammad forgot to include, same as christians and abortion. it still comes back to what muslims believe constituting islam far more than what the quran says.[/QUOTE] But Muslims believe that he exists. And no, it's not about how people think he is. Muhammad wrote down solid and static verses on the Quran, and apparently they are the words of Allah. I mean, come on. Islam is Allah's religion, and Allah says non-muslims are to be hated.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37662009]But Muslims believe that he exists. And no, it's not about how people think he is. Muhammad wrote down solid and static verses on the Quran, and apparently they are the words of Allah. I mean, come on. Islam is Allah's religion, and Allah says non-muslims are to be hated.[/QUOTE] allah says a lot of things, there's violent verses and peaceful verses. they even put in that non-muslims can live peacefully under muslims if they pay a jizya. theres a lot of conflicting things and a religion is more about making people feel better than exactly what is written. if its uncertain, people will believe different things, just like christians believe god is love but accept perfectly that he will send them to burn in hell if they dont believe in him. religion is based on doublethink and they have no problem whatsoever believing that allah is both violent and merciful at the same time.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37661173]There's using free speech, and then there's abusing. He did the latter with filming and spreading a extremely islmaophobic film. Not to mention the while misleading and manipulating deal with amateur actors. And now he's afraid to stand up to the shitstorm he started.[/QUOTE] ok so let's send monty python to jail for making Life of Brian We live in a free society, you can publish what you want. If groups of religious nuts half away round the globe get angry about a stupid b movie it's their brain's fault. He mislead the actors probably because he knew that it's hard to find people to act in films about islam/mohammed, because of islam fundamentalist bullies wanting to kill everyone involved in these types of things.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;37662046]allah says a lot of things, there's violent verses and peaceful verses. they even put in that non-muslims can live peacefully under muslims if they pay a jizya. theres a lot of conflicting things and a religion is more about making people feel better than exactly what is written. if its uncertain, people will believe different things, just like christians believe god is love but accept perfectly that he will send them to burn in hell if they dont believe in him. religion is based on doublethink and they have no problem whatsoever believing that allah is both violent and merciful at the same time.[/QUOTE] But what do we call a religion that contradicts a lot? The hate against non-muslims is dominant in Qur'an.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37662072]But what do we call a religion that contradicts a lot?[/QUOTE] a religion. you say you dont know much about christianity, they do it a fuckload too. judaism, hinduism, pretty much everything. its just a fact of religion. you can see why most people who scrutinise religion become atheists.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661132]Hate speech is kind of a crime. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with Islam" it's another to call it a cancer.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech goes every direction, and I will always defend it. Always.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661132]Hate speech is kind of a crime. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with Islam" it's another to call it a cancer.[/QUOTE] Why? Calling Christianity a cancer isn't hate speech. Why should we give special treatment to Muslims just because they're more easily offended and certain muslims are willing to murder when they're offended? I think that is kind of cancerous.

Are people really struggling to understand how what is written in the Qur'an may not apply to the religion of Islam today? Have you people not heard of the Protestant Reformation? Or any of the religious wars that occurred for centuries? And to say "hate speech is a crime" is pretty wrong. I'm Canadian, and we have hate speech laws. Saying "Islam is a cancer" wouldn't be enough to be charged with hate speech. Making a film to promote the idea that Islam is a cancer by making a mockery of its basic tenants, that might be. At that point you're seeking to incite hatred through your work.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37663669] Making a film to promote the idea that Islam is a cancer by making a mockery of its basic tenants, that might be. At that point you're seeking to incite hatred through your work.[/QUOTE] Islam is an idea. You should always be allowed to criticise an idea.

There's nothing wrong with him saying those things under free speech.He's a religionist only and only needs a little protection. My protection is putting nails on my doormat and warm led on my doorbell to keep the mormons out.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37661895]Guns =/= film/movie. One is a medium that's used to spread your message or entertain people, the other is directly designed to kill using ammunition designed for it. Nice try, but 0/10, see me after class mister.[/QUOTE] Hold on. You are saying that a movie which angered people that opposed it's message that went on to kill people is more direct than a gun being used to shoot a person. Seriously, do you not understand the concept of free speech?

Nothing ever changes it seems. One person makes a film, and suddenly many think it's the mindset of an entire nation(s). I may be pessimistic, but there will never be an understanding and this shit will continue to happen in the future, maybe even worsen.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;37661302]I hate people who take their beliefs too personally. If you are ready to hurt someone for offending your god/prophet/whatever then you need help. If you go that far in the name of religion, you've been brainwashed.[/QUOTE] Don't be stupid. This is bordering on cultural war, so of course muslims take it badly. What if Russians incessantly portrayed americans as fat chauvinist pigs with an obsession about war against the 'uncivilized'?

I dont think these protesters understand how capitalism and free speech operates. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;37665398]Don't be stupid. This is bordering on cultural war, so of course muslims take it badly. What if Russians incessantly portrayed americans as fat chauvinist pigs with an obsession about war against the 'uncivilized'?[/QUOTE] They do, whenever you piss off a Russian they immediately jump to the fat americanski pig insult.

[QUOTE=Conscript;37665398]Don't be stupid. This is bordering on cultural war, so of course muslims take it badly. What if Russians incessantly portrayed americans as fat chauvinist pigs with an obsession about war against the 'uncivilized'?[/QUOTE] You could always grow a pair and accept that people have differing opinions on things and that it's not acceptable to use violence.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661378] I mean, come on. It is obvious that Islam hates anyone who is not a Muslim. Anyone has the right to call Islam cancer here.[/QUOTE] With the exclusion of Buddhism that applies to every religion. [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661132]Hate speech is kind of a crime. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with Islam" it's another to call it a cancer.[/QUOTE] Christians always say that about atheism,but of course that's not hate speech,neither is it hate speech when Muslims say the same thing about Christianity but as soon as someone says a single naughty thing about Islam,the fucker must be publicly stoned!

It's truly frightening how sensitive they are. Make a hate film for any other religion and it does not get anywhere near this kind of reaction.

It's quite saddening how the extremists are overshadowing the non-extremists. While sure, voicing your opinion saying you don't like it is fine, going after an entire country (some people doing so violently) for the actions of only a dozen or so people is just wrong.

People don't like to criticize Islam because they don't want their house to get firebombed.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;37661132]Hate speech is kind of a crime. It's one thing to say "I don't agree with Islam" it's another to call it a cancer.[/QUOTE] Islam is a cancer. I don't even think that but I should have every right to say it.

[QUOTE=sonerin;37661378]Qur'an: "May Allah destroy Jews and Christians" "We will burn anyone who disbelieves in our verses, every time their skins are roasted through, we will replace them with new skins." "Boiling water will be poured to disbelievers' heads, it will melt their bellies and their skins" I mean, come on. It is obvious that Islam hates anyone who is not a Muslim. Anyone has the right to call Islam cancer here.[/QUOTE] As a Muslim, I can effectively say you're an idiot who doesn't know shit and should probably get educated about a religion before criticizing it the way you do. I don't know if you need a hug from an imam or some shit like that, but you really need to tone down the subtle hate. And: [QUOTE]It is obvious that Islam hates anyone who is not a Muslim.[/QUOTE] Beyond wrong. First, a religion can't hate a person, and second, if you were trying to say it pushes the idea of hate, you're even more wrong. While religion of peace is true, it has to be understood that most Muslims come from the Mid-East, a volatile environment. One of those leads to very volatile people who lash out against things that change their current situation, to a point. This obviously pissed people the hell off, so of course they're going to react strongly given the countries they're from. Also, chances are, the people who've done this aren't even that religious, more like the moderates or even less. Being around the Mid-East showed me that, and these people probably just angry and acting with a mob mentality. I doubt each individual is really all that willing to attack anyone. A lack of consistency in pride towards their religion makes them want to doing something, obviously, and though it may be wrong, they may seem themselves in the right.