Astronaut says we're not alone- And Obama may disclose info about aliens
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[QUOTE=fragmaplas;14788425]hey. you see my really long post a few posts up? read that.[/QUOTE]
no, and i don't really want to
I believe aliens have been visiting us.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;14788430]no, and i don't really want to[/QUOTE]
oh. ok then
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;14787253]I don't think any government will ever release the truth about aliens.[/QUOTE]
Ours (the British government) has. they released the stats of sighting ages ago. A high proportion were on Friday night, near Heathrow airport.
I believe in intelligent life forms other than ourselves, but if they have visited us I doubt they would want to make their presence known considering the fact that our species is violent, irrational, and for the most part the people in charge only care about themselves, so blowing up some aliens to keep the population from figuring out they exist wouldn't even phase them and they would do it without hesitation. Also we humans aren't very good at changing unless it profits us in some way for example like if it gives us more gold, because everyone loves gold. I mean for Christ's sake it took almost 100 years from when the first warfare with guns took place for us to realize that we shouldn't give two shits about honorable warfare. By this I mean standing in lines across from each other and taking turns shooting each other. Now in modern times that is seen as a ludicrous idea, most people say why the hell would you stand in a line taking turns shooting at each other when you can just sneak up behind them and blow em away. Long story short humans are stubborn as fuck and don't change easily, so the aliens would take a long time to be accepted by us, especially if they were more advanced because we don't like viewing ourselves as inferior to anything.
you guys can be so naive...
theyre not lieing about anything! theyre trying to get obama to tell us!
[QUOTE=fragmaplas;14788360]What does the LHC have to do to this? It's a particle accelerator testing high-energy physics[/QUOTE]
The LHC has everything to do with this. You know why? Because as soon as you introduce the word "theoretical", "hypothetical", "quantum", "inter-(galactic, stellar, dimensional, w/e)", "particle", or "alien" (among others) to a discussion every moron paying attention is suddenly thinking "lol magic." And the LHC is magic to most people. Or maybe they somewhat understand the concept and instead think one of them gad-danged Higgy Bosoms is the magic part.
You may as well be having a discussion on holy water's effects on mummies by this point.
If aliens exist: Cool. Just don't let them dissect me. And no anal probes, neither.
If not: Move on.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14788976]The LHC has everything to do with this. You know why? Because as soon as you introduce the word "theoretical", "hypothetical", "quantum", "inter-(galactic, stellar, dimensional, w/e)", "particle", or "alien" (among others) to a discussion every moron paying attention is suddenly thinking "lol magic." And the LHC is magic to most people. Or maybe they somewhat understand the concept and instead think one of them gad-danged Higgy Bosoms is the magic part.
You may as well be having a discussion on holy water's effects on mummies by this point.[/QUOTE]
It's not magic, the LHC makes pretty pictures and all of the supposed "scientists" are actually art critics. I know the truth!
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;14788380]That's why you do other stuff. Star Trek, for a fiction series, had some bright ideas; inertial dampeners stopped the velocity of Warp from painting the walls red/green/blue/orange/etc, radiation shielding around the warp core(replace with the equivalent of whatever would drive our ships) stopped radiation, gravity plating, or even just simply a rotating part of the ship fixed gravity. The actual engine got the ship where it needed to go, and relatively fast. We wouldn't be sending ships at our lowest FTL speed across the galaxy, we'd wait to increase our technology, take baby steps.[/QUOTE]
Inertial damper? Could please tell what one of those is/does, without some handwavium pseudo-science. You can't just got "lol fit inertia dampers".
Radiation shielding? How could you shield something with enough energy to power interstellar travel? Lead can't do it.
Gravity plating? Is that another case of handwavium invented to plug holes in bad fiction?
Also, anyone with an understanding of physics and centrifuge forces would know that there is no point in spinning a ship with a Newtonian force that is relative to the direction of thrust.
Come on guys this is basic physics.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14788976]The LHC has everything to do with this. You know why? Because as soon as you introduce the word "theoretical", "hypothetical", "quantum", "inter-(galactic, stellar, dimensional, w/e)", "particle", or "alien" (among others) to a discussion every moron paying attention is suddenly thinking "lol magic." And the LHC is magic to most people. Or maybe they somewhat understand the concept and instead think one of them gad-danged Higgy Bosoms is the magic part.
You may as well be having a discussion on holy water's effects on mummies by this point.[/QUOTE]
That is actually a great point.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789067]Inertial damper? Could please tell what one of those is/does, without some handwavium pseudo-science. You can't just got "lol fit inertia dampers".
Radiation shielding? How could you shield something with enough energy to power interstellar travel? Lead can't do it.
Gravity plating? Is that another case of handwavium invented to plug holes in bad fiction?
Also, anyone with an understanding of physics and centrifuge forces would know that there is no point in spinning a ship with a Newtonian force that is relative to the direction of thrust.
Come on guys this is basic physics.[/QUOTE]
It's more inspiration for actual shit, rather than hard science.
I make my case with star trek and the flip phone.
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789107]It's more inspiration for actual shit, rather than hard science.
I make my case with star trek and the flip phone.[/QUOTE]
So we are going from flip phones (trivial ergonomics) to FTL travel? (pseudo-science)
I mean why should you trust story tellers over scientists?
So you know, university Physics is essentially three years of this discussion among like-minded enthusiasts.
Done with supercomputers, access to the textbook collections of five continents and thirty languages.
On four hours sleep a night.
With no sex.
You're not going to find the loophole these guys missed, and these guys have found that FTL is far in to the realm of fantasy.
trivial.
ha
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789067]Inertial damper? Could please tell what one of those is/does, without some handwavium pseudo-science. You can't just got "lol fit inertia dampers".
Radiation shielding? How could you shield something with enough energy to power interstellar travel? Lead can't do it.
Gravity plating? Is that another case of handwavium invented to plug holes in bad fiction?
Also, anyone with an understanding of physics and centrifuge forces would know that there is no point in spinning a ship with a Newtonian force that is relative to the direction of thrust.
Come on guys this is basic physics.[/QUOTE]
you could trap gravitons in a box(you could put pretty many in one since they're massless) and then put that box under a gravity plate and open it each time someone steps on the plate
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789145]So we are going from flip phones (trivial ergonomics) to FTL travel? (pseudo-science)
I mean why should you trust story tellers over scientists?
So you know, university Physics is essentially three years of this discussion among like-minded enthusiasts.
Done with supercomputers, access to the textbook collections of five continents and thirty languages.
On four hours sleep a night.
With no sex.
You're not going to find the loophole these guys missed, and these guys have found that FTL is far in to the realm of fantasy.[/QUOTE]
You seemed to have completely missed the point of my post in a blind fit of rage.
I didn't make any indication to FTL whatsoever, nor do I really care if it's possible. I said fiction is inspiration for inventors, scientists, and the like. They try and emulate some of their most beloved devices from their fantasies in the real world. Some work, others fail miserably. The imagination of fiction writers helps lead to innovations once thought impossible, or it can lead to something popular that takes cultures everywhere by storm, etc.
Edit: to further explain myself: the inventor of the flip phone was inspired by Star Trek's communicator. Scotty, beam some Ritalin down for this guy, he needs a huge does of calm-the-fuck-down.
:aaaaa:
yeah just cause your dumb way doesn't work doesn't mean there isn't another way to travel large distances in space
since when does going really fast in a place that expands at the speed of light get you anywhere?
:tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789282]You seemed to have completely missed the point of my post in a blind fit of rage.
I didn't make any indication to FTL whatsoever, nor do I really care if it's possible. I said fiction is inspiration for inventors, scientists, and the like. They try and emulate some of their most beloved devices from their fantasies in the real world. Some work, others fail miserably. The imagination of fiction writers helps lead to innovations once thought impossible, or it can lead to something popular that takes cultures everywhere by storm, etc.[/QUOTE]
It's the other way around. Innovators capture the imagination of writers.
The development of space travel inspired thousands of science fiction writers.
In the end Obama will just disclose that the moon landing was faked.
That will teach the sixth man on the moon a lesson.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789337]It's the other way around. Innovators capture the imagination of writers.
The development of space travel inspired thousands of science fiction writers.[/QUOTE]
Yin-yang. I didn't say fiction writers don't find their own inspirations, either. It's not a direct line.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;14789314]since when does going really fast in a place that expands at the speed of light get you anywhere?[/QUOTE]
Because velocity is relative you numpty.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk[/media]
you don't use velocity to travel large distances.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;14789375]you don't use velocity to travel large distances.[/QUOTE]
In physics, velocity is defined as the rate of change of position.
Unless you believe in the Dune-esque method of space travel?
no, just cause i say so.
I think a possible way of travelling interstellar distances is either quantum tunneling, wormholes or other types of folding space.
It sure looks promising, and is far more realistic than ''hyperspace'' and other mumbo jumbo.
[QUOTE=FoodStuffs;14789375]you don't use velocity to travel large distances.[/QUOTE]
lol, that statement makes no sense.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789411]In physics, velocity is defined as the rate of change of position.
Unless you believe in the Dune-esque method of space travel?[/QUOTE]
I believe in traveling through the warp...
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789411]In physics, velocity is defined as the rate of change of position.
Unless you believe in the Dune-esque method of space travel?[/QUOTE]
But what if you didn't change position, the position changed you? :allears:
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