Astronaut says we're not alone- And Obama may disclose info about aliens
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[QUOTE=Negrul1;14788489]Ours (the British government) has. they released the stats of sighting ages ago. A high proportion were on Friday night, near Heathrow airport.[/QUOTE]
This are just ufo sighting repports , not the proof that aliens are visiting us.
And yes , you can prove that aliens are not visiting us. By debunking every ufo case. But some governments have admited that they were not able to give an explanation.
Anyway you'll never know if they really don't visit us , even if you can prove that ufo sighting are not aliens ...
[QUOTE=Reborn9;14789454]I think a possible way of travelling interstellar distances is either quantum tunneling, wormholes or other types of folding space.
It sure looks promising, and is far more realistic than ''hyperspace'' and other mumbo jumbo.[/QUOTE]
It does, until you try to argue past the Correspondence principle or the Classical limit.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_principle[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_limit[/url]
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789479]But what if you didn't change position, the position changed you? :allears:[/QUOTE]
Only if we get space commies.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789509]It does, until you try to argue past the Correspondence principle or the Classical limit.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_principle[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_limit[/url][/QUOTE]
Genetic Engineering and Artificial Intelligence will probably help us work out a way to fold space.
Impossible is a word for people who give up.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789527]Only if we get space commies.[/QUOTE]
As likely as space hookers. I wonder what they'll do without corners to stand on...
[QUOTE=Reborn9;14789540]Genetic Engineering and Artificial Intelligence will probably help us work out a way to fold space.
Impossible is a word for people who give up.[/QUOTE]
In this entire thread, I have never said 'impossible'. I mean, I love the idea of space travel. Most the stories I write for my Creative Writing degree are space based Sci-fi. Just trying to spin a more realistic story in them.
But don't you think that simply waiting for genetic engineering and AI is simply going to solve all our problems with breaking the laws of physics?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789527]Only if we get space commies.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.vedrashko.com/uploaded_images/communist_mutants-740168.jpg[/img]
It's just that I can't find one that says "Communists from outer space"
To anyone who still thinks deep space travel will never be possible :
[b]Epistemology[/b] . Learn it.
At the end of the 19th century scientists were convinced that everything was discovered in physics and that everything could be explained . Only a few things remained strange but they were confident to find an easy explanation.
It's just like nowaday.
Then sundenly a man called Albert Enstein came up with incredibles idea about space and time. He said that that time and space were relative , which was completely insane for that time.
I really don't see why it couldn't be the same 100 years later. History repeats itself.
I don't see why we couldn't create a new model of the universe in which faster than light travel is possible. Even the relativity theory admit that it's possible with wormholes.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;14789708]To anyone who still thinks deep space travel will never be possible :
[b]Epistemology[/b] . Learn it.
At the end of the 19th century scientists were convinced that everything was discovered in physics and that everything could be explained . Only a few things remained strange but they were confident to find an easy explanation.
It's just like nowaday.
Then sundenly a man called Albert Enstein came up with incredibles idea of space and time. He said that that time and space were relative , which was completely insane for that time.
I really don't see why it couldn't be the same 100 years later. History repeats itself.
I don't see why we couldn't create a new model of the universe in which faster than light travel is possible. Even the relativity admit that it's possible with wormholes.[/QUOTE]
Well, you're not actually traveling faster than light with a wormhole, now are you?
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789738]Well, you're not actually traveling faster than light with a wormhole, now are you?[/QUOTE]
Not really, you're just fucking around with the structure of the Universe.
[QUOTE=Ickylevel;14789708]To anyone who still thinks deep space travel will never be possible :
[b]Epistemology[/b] . Learn it.
At the end of the 19th century scientists were convinced that everything was discovered in physics and that everything could be explained . Only a few things remained strange but they were confident to find an easy explanation.
It's just like nowaday.
Then sundenly a man called Albert Enstein came up with incredibles idea of space and time. He said that that time and space were relative , which was completely insane for that time.
I really don't see why it couldn't be the same 100 years later. History repeats itself.
I don't see why we couldn't create a new model of the universe in which faster than light travel is possible. Even the relativity admit that it's possible with wormholes.[/QUOTE]
That is a big difference.
[i]This argument usually takes the form of "Well, they said that man would never break the sound barrier either, but they were wrong!".
That formation of the argument is doubly suspect, since if you do the research there does not appear to be any scientist on the record who actually stated that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. For one thing, bullets were breaking the sound barrier almost since the invention of gunpowder. Heck, whips have been doing it since the invention of whips. The "crack" of a whip is actually a the tip of the whip creating a tiny sonic boom (By the late 1940s, no competent engineer or test pilot thought that there was anything mysterious {beyond the mysteries of complex aeronautical design itself} about the sound barrier).[/i]
Albert Enstein was never classed as completely insane. Just slightly
[img]http://lesbianpiratequeen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/albert-einstein.jpg[/img]
But my main point was, we had always been doing what was later explained by science. Not the other way around, science didn't invent some new law for us to start practising it.
[i]Regardless of the fact that some of it is dogma, we do possess an exceptionally accurate and rational explanation of electromagnetic phenomena today that meets the criterion stated by Lancelot Hogben, "A scientific explanation is one that is vindicated by practice." Radio transmitters transmit, and radio receivers receive. Lasers lase. Nuclear reactors react. Semi-conductors occasionally conduct. Tunnel diodes, LED's, SQUIDS, and other electromagnetic devices based on quantum mechanics do their thing repeatedly and reliably. So we're obviously doing something right! And we don't dare throw away the theoretical base on which these gadgets do indeed work. We can and should modify the theoretical base as necessary, but we can't throw it away. Any new theories of the universe must be compatible with the old ones or at least permit logical and rational modifications in order to shoe-horn the old theories into the new ones.[/i]
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789550]As likely as space hookers. I wonder what they'll do without corners to stand on...[/QUOTE]
Asteroids to Float on?
I just noticed this:
[b]A-Steroid[/b]
I don't think there is any limit for human creativity.
We'll travel to the stars on one day.. in the far future.
Okay, I don't know, but I'll keep the hope alive, life is more fun that way.
But oh well, at least we have time, hell, we even have a "spare planet" right next to us that we might start terraforming on some day, we could even do it on today's tech, slowly though, so we won't.
[QUOTE=MiX-A;14789817]I don't think there is any limit for human creativity.[/QUOTE]
Well there is a mechanical tolerance in computer chips, so why not humans?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789833]Well there is a mechanical tolerance in computer chips, so why not humans?[/QUOTE]
Cuz we is da bestest.
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14789738]Well, you're not actually traveling faster than light with a wormhole, now are you?[/QUOTE]
I know. Happy ?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789779]That is a big difference.
[i]This argument usually takes the form of "Well, they said that man would never break the sound barrier either, but they were wrong!".
That formation of the argument is doubly suspect, since if you do the research there does not appear to be any scientist on the record who actually stated that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. For one thing, bullets were breaking the sound barrier almost since the invention of gunpowder. Heck, whips have been doing it since the invention of whips. The "crack" of a whip is actually a the tip of the whip creating a tiny sonic boom (By the late 1940s, no competent engineer or test pilot thought that there was anything mysterious {beyond the mysteries of complex aeronautical design itself} about the sound barrier).[/i]
Albert Enstein was never classed as completely insane. Just slightly
[img]http://lesbianpiratequeen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/albert-einstein.jpg[/img]
But my main point was, we had always been doing what was later explained by science. Not the other way around, science didn't invent some new law for us to start practising it.
[i]Regardless of the fact that some of it is dogma, we do possess an exceptionally accurate and rational explanation of electromagnetic phenomena today that meets the criterion stated by Lancelot Hogben, "A scientific explanation is one that is vindicated by practice." Radio transmitters transmit, and radio receivers receive. Lasers lase. Nuclear reactors react. Semi-conductors occasionally conduct. Tunnel diodes, LED's, SQUIDS, and other electromagnetic devices based on quantum mechanics do their thing repeatedly and reliably. So we're obviously doing something right! And we don't dare throw away the theoretical base on which these gadgets do indeed work. We can and should modify the theoretical base as necessary, but we can't throw it away. Any new theories of the universe must be compatible with the old ones or at least permit logical and rational modifications in order to shoe-horn the old theories into the new ones.[/i][/QUOTE]
Theses quotes are irrelevants. They used to say the same kind of things in the past. Physics can explain mosts things , but not everything.
It's arrogance if you say the opposite.
I'm sure people 2 thousand years ago never thought we would be able to fly or go in space either.
You never know until it happens.
Well, I guess I will never live to see alien life, since we'll probably never go back into space.
Because we're lazy as fuck.
[QUOTE=deffas;14789912]I'm sure people 2 thousand years ago never thought we would be able to fly or go in space either.
You never know until it happens.[/QUOTE]
That is because flying or going into space does not violate any laws of the universe.
What people are asking here for FTL space travel is... a direct violation of known laws.
Laws are a big difference than a theory.
[i]A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always be a theory, a law will always be a law. A theory will never become a law, and a law never was a theory.
A scientific law is a description of an observed phenomenon. Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion are a good example. Those laws describe the motions of planets. But they do not explain why they are that way. If all scientists ever did was to formulate scientific laws, then the universe would be very well- described, but still unexplained and very mysterious.
A theory is a scientific explanation of an observed phenomenon. Unlike laws, theories actually explain why things are the way they are. Theories are what science is for. If, then, a theory is a scientific explanation of a natural phenomena, ask yourself this: "What part of that definition excludes a theory from being a fact?" The answer is nothing! There is no reason a theory cannot be an actual fact as well.[/i]
You simply cannot postulating some scientific breakthrough rendering null and void some Law of physics.
[i]What science does is take a heretofore unexplained phenomenon and tries to make it fit into the established knowledge base. There is no unexplained phenomenon that might result in violating thermodynamics - and if there WERE something that violated thermo, it would radically change the universe as we know it - for instance, stellar processes require thermodynamics, the entire model of cosmology is based off of known properties for thermodynamics. Your car runs on thermodynamic processes. And all of these things work out the same way, and derive from the same knowledge base.
If there IS a way to cheat thermodynamics, you're going to have ripple effects. The most obvious one is going to be perpetual motion machines. (Seriously - there's an entire industry of people trying to patent perpetual motion machines...)[/i]
I know alot of you are finding this hard to digest, since it's not an easy topic. But you all should do your own research before jumping on the fiction wagon.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14790004]That is because flying or going into space does not violate any laws of the universe.
What people are asking here for FTL space travel is... a direct violation of known laws.
Laws are a big difference than a theory.
[/QUOTE]
Assuming we somehow break the speed of light, we'll be faster than the physics police who are limited to the speed of light. I think we can escape them.
Awesome.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;14787335]What's to say that we'd end up traveling at any speed in our own dimension?
Hell, tomorrow we could discover a means to move into another dimension allowing for nearly anything.
Stop saying things are impossible, we've done shit just as crazy before. We went from paper gliders to landing on the moon in 60 years. And you don't think we can advance any further?
Have some faith in humanity... Fuck[/QUOTE]
There's no such thing as an alternate dimension. Physicists are overimaginative and always say "What if..?" when the answer is right in front of them.
[QUOTE=_Twitch_;14790242]There's no such thing as an alternate dimension. Physicists are overimaginative and always say "What if..?" when the answer is right in front of them.[/QUOTE]
Some mathematical theories require higher dimensions and a sort of multi-verse.
[QUOTE=_Twitch_;14790242]There's no such thing as an alternate dimension. Physicists are overimaginative and always say "What if..?" when the answer is right in front of them.[/QUOTE]
There does lie the possibility for Parallel Universes
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[QUOTE=_Twitch_;14790242]There's no such thing as an alternate dimension. Physicists are overimaginative and always say "What if..?" when the answer is right in front of them.[/QUOTE]
They're higher dimensions, not alternate dimensions.
[QUOTE=Fronze;14786920]yay more conspiracies[/QUOTE]
At least it's from someone who actually has been in space.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;14790333]At least it's from someone who actually has been in space.[/QUOTE]
he has been among the alien :tinfoil:
Time travel paradox
I feel sorry for the people who cant accept the fact that there are other intelligent beings in the universe.
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