• Astronaut says we're not alone- And Obama may disclose info about aliens
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[QUOTE=Exille;14790412]I feel sorry for the people who cant accept the fact that there are other intelligent beings in the universe.[/QUOTE] I also feel sorry for people who aren't [i]batshit insane.[/i]
[QUOTE=fritzel;14790414]Time travel paradox[/QUOTE] Likewise, as much as we want to have it proven otherwise, there's nothing out there yet that's even implied that Einstein's general relativity has a gap in the model that can be reasonably exploited. And most of the ways you can work the equations for relativity that theoretically allow FTL also allow things like time travel, and reversing causality, and things even weirder to contemplate.
[QUOTE=Exille;14790412]I feel sorry for the people who cant accept the fact that there are other intelligent beings in the universe.[/QUOTE] intelligent life =/= aliens visiting earth on FTL flying saucers anally probing millions. Which that article basically suggested.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14790476]I also feel sorry for people who aren't [i]batshit insane.[/i][/QUOTE] Just because one says there has to be other intelligent beings in the entire Universe doesn't mean they have visited us.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14790476]I also feel sorry for people who aren't [i]batshit insane.[/i][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NoDachi;14790601]intelligent life =/= aliens visiting earth on FTL flying saucers anally probing millions. Which that article basically suggested.[/QUOTE] But it could. I was probed once. That's how I gained the ability to read people's minds, but only other people that have been probed. You'll never understand how traumatic the experience was. I was violated. But I don't remember a few hours there, in fact, I lost the entire day.
Astronaut say's he's an alien. World shits bricks.
[QUOTE=Duckmurderer;14790653]But it could. I was probed once. That's how I gained the ability to read people's minds, but only other people that have been probed. You'll never understand how traumatic the experience was. I was violated. But I don't remember a few hours there, in fact, I lost the entire day.[/QUOTE] I would like to quote someone (more like paraphrase, since I don't have the book on me) which has a relevant idea on this: "The idea of flying saucers is absurd, now I believe aliens exist, they might even have visited Earth, but civilizations that are millions of years more advanced than ours can't be smart enough to know FTL travel, yet dumb enough to be seen by people. They will reveal themselves to us at a time and place of our choosing, not theirs. Personally I believe most UFO sightings are hoaxes."
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14790608]Just because one says there has to be other intelligent beings in the entire Universe doesn't mean they have visited us.[/QUOTE] Deep in the water they heard a Bloop.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14790608]Just because one says there has to be other intelligent beings in the entire Universe doesn't mean they have visited us.[/QUOTE] I never suggested lack of visitation from the beyond is proof that aliens don't exist. In fact, I don't have any proof there isn't intelligent life out there. I also don't have any that there is. Where I'm from, sane decisions are grounded in logic or rationality. Logic uses [i]demonstrable proof[/i] to lead to a [i]conclusion.[/i] There is no [i]demonstrable proof[/i] that intelligent life exists on other planets. Rationality...well, give me a good reason why I should believe there is intelligent life out there. Something that isn't based on hunches, guesses, science fiction, religion, or what little you know about the formation of life on this planet. BROTIP: You can't, so don't try.
[quote]With a new, perhaps more intellectually curious president in the White House, UFOlogists say, the time is ripe for the United States to follow the lead of other nations and release all classified files about [b]government interaction with extraterrestrial beings.[/b][/quote] Oh, [i]please[/i]. This is coming from an educated astronaut? I don't deny the existence of aliens somewhere out there, but our government has already interacted with them? That's laughable. Why does he think the government knows anything at all?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14791048]I never suggested lack of visitation from the beyond is proof that aliens don't exist. In fact, I don't have any proof there isn't intelligent life out there. I also don't have any that there is. Where I'm from, sane decisions are grounded in logic or rationality. Logic uses [i]demonstrable proof[/i] to lead to a [i]conclusion.[/i] There is no [i]demonstrable proof[/i] that intelligent life exists on other planets. Rationality...well, give me a good reason why I should believe there is intelligent life out there. Something that isn't based on hunches, guesses, science fiction, religion, or what little you know about the formation of life on this planet. BROTIP: You can't, so don't try.[/QUOTE] I understand I shouldn't be doing this, but what about the fact that the math proves there has to be some intelligent life out there? Also, the entire field of Theoretical Physics would be debunked if you have to have "demonstrable proof" for everything, not to mention a multitude of well-established and recognized theories.
[QUOTE=gnome;14791107]Oh, [i]please[/i]. This is coming from an educated astronaut? I don't deny the existence of aliens somewhere out there, but our government has already interacted with them? That's laughable.[/QUOTE] He's saying release them if they exist, which I highly doubt they do.
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[QUOTE=Lankist;14786925]Hooray more alien bullshit. We KNOW you're covering up that evidence we admittedly aren't certain exists![/QUOTE] Hey aliens may be real maybe in another system though
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;14790686]Astronaut say's he's an alien. World shits bricks.[/QUOTE] Astronaut says he's an alien. World wonders how no one noticed he wasn't on when they lifted off.
[QUOTE=gnome;14791107]Oh, [i]please[/i]. This is coming from an educated astronaut? I don't deny the existence of aliens somewhere out there, but our government has already interacted with them? That's laughable. Why does he think the government knows anything at all?[/QUOTE] But there's this show, where they have an episode of them making the show, except the main character, who works for this secret military program, is there to supervise the production because it resembles said secret military program. Clearly that show is trying to cover their asses, meaning it's true! What's that show called.... It has a ring, and they go to places, and shoot shit, and science shit too. That show has aliens that interact with the government.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;14789067]Inertial damper? Could please tell what one of those is/does, without some handwavium pseudo-science. You can't just got "lol fit inertia dampers". Radiation shielding? How could you shield something with enough energy to power interstellar travel? Lead can't do it. Gravity plating? Is that another case of handwavium invented to plug holes in bad fiction? Also, anyone with an understanding of physics and centrifuge forces would know that there is no point in spinning a ship with a Newtonian force that is relative to the direction of thrust. Come on guys this is basic physics.[/QUOTE] As I understand it, the inertial dampeners are components of the gravity generator and/or plating. The radiation shielding was a variant of the actual shields, but other than that, titanium served it's purpose. Then again, the ship's warp cores in Star Trek didn't give off lots of radiation, the nacelles did that, so they were made out of whatever the highest radiation containing metal there was available and kept on struts that kept them away from the main hull. Gravity plating works in a way we don't know(never explained in show or otherwise), but the concept could work. The point is, the technology isn't set, but the concepts still stand. Our knowledge of the universe and how it works are anything but complete. The Heliocentric model wasn't fully completed until we had telescopes and modern technology. We can't really say this isn't possible until we fully understand it, even though Newton's studies, refined after centuries, are pretty conclusive. The day we have the technology to refine our current theories and laws is the day that we'll be capable of making an FTL drive. Once we have the sufficient knowledge...well, that's when it's gonna change. For all we know, there could be a whole way around the conventional laws of physics.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14791104]I understand I shouldn't be doing this, but what about the fact that the math proves there has to be some intelligent life out there?[/QUOTE] It doesn't. Show me your proof or drop it. [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14791104]Also, the entire field of Theoretical Physics would be debunked if you have to have "demonstrable proof" for everything, not to mention a multitude of well-established and recognized theories.[/QUOTE] What the flying fuck are you on about?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14791363]It doesn't. Show me your proof or drop it.[/QUOTE] Statistics can prove anything. :eng101:
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14791363]It doesn't. Show me your proof or drop it.[/QUOTE] [img]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/computergear_2046_18657970[/img]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14791363]It doesn't. Show me your proof or drop it.[/QUOTE] I believe he is referring to the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s_Equation]Drake Equation.[/url] It really doesn't prove or disprove anything. Just a concept, AFAIK.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;14791363]It doesn't. Show me your proof or drop it. What the flying fuck are you on about?[/QUOTE] he doesn't have to show you proof if you don't have no proof against his proof
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;14791381]Drake Equation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Michael Crichton;14791381]The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. [...] As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless...[/QUOTE] Sorry? [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;14791421]he doesn't have to show you proof if you don't have no proof against his proof[/QUOTE] Turkey gloob Mum-ra voodoo vodka strewn about berries on the flip side G
Wow! I'm pretty exited for this. Mentally that is, not like jumping out of my seat, but I felt this coming.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;14791249]Gravity plating works in a way we don't know(never explained in show or otherwise), but the concept could work. [/QUOTE] so you are saying the concept could work when you don't even know what exactly the concept is
Wait, so is was this astronaut guy just blabbering or is he actually onto something?
Grav plating is only a bit of handwavium to make the film sets on Star Trek cheaper, and more interesting. No one wants to see a bunch of red coats floating around Apollo 11 style. Why would we need grav plating anyway? Since as long as the ship is accelerating, there will be a gravity force relative to the direction and amount of thrust. (also the fact that even travelling at a fraction of the speed of light will turn any human being into a pink paste on a bulkhead)
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;14791541]Grav plating is only a bit of handwavium to make the film sets on Star Trek cheaper, and more interesting. No one wants to see a bunch of red coats floating around Apollo 11 style. Why would we need grav plating anyway? Since as long as the ship is accelerating, there will be a gravity force relative to the direction and amount of thrust. (also the fact that even travelling at a fraction of the speed of light will turn any human being into a pink paste on a bulkhead)[/QUOTE] They are made of Unobtainium.
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