• US replaces food pyramid with 'healthy plate'
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30213857]Fat people would be like, see it's okay if I eat a box of donuts, the food pyramid says I can![/QUOTE] haha yeah because fat makes the brain stop working
[QUOTE=GunFox;30213687]And it is still wrong. Grains do not play into a healthy human diet. Fruits are useful, but generally only berries are really very good for you. The rest contain lots of sugars. Dairy (in relatively small quantities), protein, and vegetables. These are the mainstay of any actually healthy diet. Fruits also play an important role, but they aren't necessary on a daily basis. This isn't rocket science. What did man eat 200,000 years ago? Proteins, vegetables, and the occasional berries. This is what you evolved to eat. This is what your body understands.[/QUOTE] The paleolithic diet is shit, don't listen to this crap.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30213860]omg xDD rofl[/QUOTE] still mad about the gun argument I take it
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30213857]Fat people would be like, see it's okay if I eat a box of donuts, the food pyramid says I can![/QUOTE] I have lost faith in the human race if people cannot read a damn graph.
[QUOTE=GunFox;30213687] What did man eat 200,000 years ago?[/QUOTE] Whatever we could until we died at 25
[QUOTE=JDK721;30213898]still mad about the gun argument I take it[/QUOTE] no i just wanted to convey my approval of your meme reply
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30213895]The paleolithic diet is shit, don't listen to this crap.[/QUOTE] I never said roll full caveman diet. I'm saying that fooling yourself into thinking your body has any fucking idea what to do with the amount of sugar that is being thrown at it is ridiculous.
Can we just have like, a graph or something? Does it absolutely have to be a pyramid or a plate or something else equally retarded?
i agree with Pepin, it seems like it'd make more sense to use a pie chart. i mean really, you have different colored segments of a circular plate, and you decide to split them up only along the X and Y axis? did nobody think "maybe we should do a pie chart"?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30213922]Whatever we could until we died at 25[/QUOTE] This argument would be more sound if people with low carb intake haven't shown significant reduction in cancer rates (tumors feed on raw sugar) massive reduction in diabetes rates as well as the ability to push active diabetes into a form of remission (Carbs cause insulin spikes. Removing them stabilizes your bloodsugar naturally) and the fact that not only do you lose weight, but you STOP losing weight once you have reached a healthy weight. Furthermore you build muscle mass much quicker. These are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head. There are a fuckton of common issues that are completely treatable or preventable. Basically all of the shit that you don't see most animals having a problem with? Fixed with low carb intake. Again, you are spewing baseless bullshit.
[QUOTE=GunFox;30213948]I never said roll full caveman diet. I'm saying that fooling yourself into thinking your body has any fucking idea what to do with the amount of sugar that is being thrown at it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] You literally suggested that we should eat what man ate 200k years ago based entirely on the false perception that people back then only ate meat, vegetables, and berries. That's the paleolithic diet, and it's been disputed quite a bit.
[quote]The pyramid design was modified in 2005 to include slices of color and a figure climbing stairs to suggest the importance of exercise, but critics maintained it was too hard for the general public to understand.[/quote] [img]http://www.crossfitintrepid.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/New-Food-Pyramid-Large.jpg[/img] How in the hell could people have trouble understanding that? That was my favorite food pyramid, dammit. It explained [i]everything[/i].
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30214012]You literally suggested that we should eat what man ate 200k years ago based entirely on the false perception that people back then only ate meat, vegetables, and berries. That's the paleolithic diet, and it's been disputed quite a bit.[/QUOTE] Why would the body be equipped with the tools to consume things that it was unable to obtain during the evolutionary process? Being able to digest something is simply a side effect of being an omnivore. We are still slave to the evolutionary path that brought us to where we are. Our body still operates with maximum efficiency when consuming the things it evolved to consume. Diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, cholesterol buildup? These aren't anywhere near as common in any non-domesticated mammal. Obviously cooking things is still a good idea that falls well outside the realm of the evolutionary path. But ultimately that doesn't do anything to the energy source inside the meat, it simply murders all of the potentially unpleasant things inside of it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;30214114] Being able to digest something is simply a side effect of being an omnivore. We are still slave to the evolutionary path that brought us to where we are. Our body still operates with maximum efficiency when consuming the things it evolved to consume. [/QUOTE] then why do the japanese people who survive mostly on carbohydrates food have a longer life-expectancy and suffer from less diseases?
The food pyramid was stupid and I generally disliked looking at it. The plate makes more sense.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30214204]then why do the japanese people who survive mostly on carbohydrates food have a longer life-expectancy and suffer from less diseases?[/QUOTE] Japanese people visit doctors 10+ times per year. They also consume LOTS of vegetables, fish, and tea. Fish and tea are extremely healthy. They are also masters of portion control. This counters their rice consumption, which already isn't as bad as other carbs due to natural rice being unusually low on the glycaemic index. Furthermore Japan in the past has suffered from a miserable lifespan well below that of other nations. [url]http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:JPN:USA:GBR:FRA:RUS:CHN&tstart=-315619200000&tunit=Y&tlen=49&hl=en&dl=en[/url] That trend with Japan around 1960 backwards continues pretty significantly downward. They had a really shit lifespan until recently. The developed world is relatively close in terms of lifespan.
[QUOTE=triFeral;30213608]Yeah, weed is part of the daily diet.[/QUOTE] No dummy, we're trying to eat less.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30214204]then why do the japanese people who survive mostly on carbohydrates food have a longer life-expectancy and suffer from less diseases?[/QUOTE] Good healthcare system and because driving is a nightmare no matter where you live.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30213522]lol[/QUOTE] Better obese than starving I suppose
Old Pyramid is still best.
[QUOTE=GunFox;30213988] Again, you are spewing baseless bullshit.[/QUOTE] It's baseless that prehistoric humans ate whatever food was available and died young?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30213472]The cup is sitting on the edge of the plate, it's going to fucking fall over and spill I don't get the point of this, it should at least have the number of servings written on it for the people who try to care[/QUOTE] Actually since the diamete of a lot of cups is wider at the top than it is at the base, the base could be right at the edge of the plate, whilst from a top down view it would appear as though it were on the edge because the top is wider and extends over the edge of the plate! :eng101:
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30213624]What was wrong with the original food pyramid?[/QUOTE] They were afraid that it would be too complicated for the average person. So they changed so that even a caveman can do it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30214738]It's baseless that prehistoric humans ate whatever food was available and died young?[/QUOTE] Nope, but it does support my argument far more than it does yours. Think about what they died from. Almost universally it would be mechanical injury or something related to their lack of understanding about microscopic life and the effects it can have on humans. Things like a lack of clean drinking water or failure to properly cook meat. Stop bathing in any fashion, stop brushing your teeth, stop drinking disinfected water, stop cooking any and all meat you consume, stop taking any multivitamins you may be taking, never visit a doctor or gain any health benefits from modern society in any fashion. 25 doesn't seem so young to die now, does it? In fact, 25 is an insanely long time to survive without those things. Even given the fact that many people in the era simply wouldn't have regular access to all of the food sources they needed, their diet (likely coupled with lots of manual labor which both hurts and helps) kept their dumbassess ALIVE for 25 years in the face of all infection and sickness.
Fuck me they're still advocating that people who are fucking sedentary and eat too much as it is consume a diet that is majority grains/refined carbohydrates and they wonder why health problems and obesity numbers just keep rising in the US [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30213845]I noticed they removed the junk food category. That's probably why they changed it. Instead of telling people to eat junk food sparingly, it's probably better to suggest that you don't eat any cupcakes.[/QUOTE] Except what they are advocating people build their diet around is just as bad. Telling fat kids they should be consuming a lot of bread and pasta is like the fucking worst idea I've ever heard, and it just reinforces the notion that there are a lot of "dieticians" out there that got their credentials from a cereal box and a textbook that has information that is 50 years old.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30214738]It's baseless that prehistoric humans ate whatever food was available and died young?[/QUOTE] its misleading prehistoric humans didnt die because of their diets, they died due to lack of food, predators, and disease
Unrelated but I like how the average height of a Japanese person increased dramatically after they introduced cattle on the island and started eating beef.
[QUOTE=angelangel;30215088]Unrelated but I like how the average height of a Japanese person increased dramatically after they introduced cattle on the island and started eating beef.[/QUOTE] really? thats pretty crazy.
The food pyramid was fine.
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