• US replaces food pyramid with 'healthy plate'
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[QUOTE=thisispain;30214204]then why do the japanese people who survive mostly on carbohydrates food have a longer life-expectancy and suffer from less diseases?[/QUOTE] i'm guessing because they ate seafood more than they did meat also tofu
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30215038]its misleading prehistoric humans didnt die because of their diets, they died due to lack of food, predators, and disease[/QUOTE] As gunfox already said, their diets did play a role uncooked meat isn't that great for you Also gunfox, you seem to think that their lack of grain was a major contributing factor to why they were healthier, well, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet#Opposing_views]there wasn't a lack of grain.[/url] [quote]Evidence suggests the diet of Stone Age humans did include, in some form, the refined starches and grains that are excluded from the paleolithic diet. There is evidence that Paleolithic societies were processing cereals for food use at least as early as 23,000 years ago,[78][79] 30,000 years ago, [80] more than 100,000 years ago,[81] and perhaps as early as 200,000 years ago.[82][/quote]
[QUOTE=angelangel;30215088]Unrelated but I like how the average height of a Japanese person increased dramatically after they introduced cattle on the island and started eating beef.[/QUOTE] is there any type of japanese beef other than kobe
Stop changing things that aren't broken :V
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30215214]is there any type of japanese beef other than kobe[/QUOTE] Actually no.
[QUOTE=angelangel;30215292]Actually no.[/QUOTE] well kobe beef is redonkulously expensive so that might not have been the reason for the height increase
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30215138]As gunfox already said, their diets did play a role uncooked meat isn't that great for you Also gunfox, you seem to think that their lack of grain was a major contributing factor to why they were healthier, well, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet#Opposing_views]there wasn't a lack of grain.[/url][/QUOTE] uncooked meat is just hard to digest, and iirc we have been cooking meat for millions of years since homo erectus
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30215417]uncooked meat is just hard to digest, and iirc we have been cooking meat for millions of years since homo erectus[/QUOTE] cooking meat removes most bacteria and other impurities as well it's not just "hard to digest"
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30215321]well kobe beef is redonkulously expensive so that might not have been the reason for the height increase[/QUOTE] maybe a standard of living increase that coincided with the introduction to beef that wasnt directly related or causal
there's a reason the guys on those survival shows always cook meat raw animals aren't known for their good hygiene automerge :ninja:
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30215432]cooking meat removes most bacteria and other impurities as well it's not just "hard to digest"[/QUOTE] there arent much in the way of bacteria if the meat is eaten fresh unless the animal you are eating is sick you are fine eating the meat right off its carcass [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] i mean we eat raw fish like a motherfucker in seattle the whole raw food thing being dangerous is slightly overblown dont get me wrong it will get you sick, but more likely from it being just plain hard to digest and we arent used to it but not necessarily bacteria or parasites
leaving the meat out is a threat because the meat is extremely nutritious so anything in the atmosphere is gonna be extremely attracted to it
we also eat steak rare which means the meat is raw as well
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30215452]there arent much in the way of bacteria if the meat is eaten fresh unless the animal you are eating is sick you are fine eating the meat right off its carcass [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] i mean we eat raw fish like a motherfucker in seattle the whole raw food thing being dangerous is slightly overblown dont get me wrong it will get you sick, but more likely from it being just plain hard to digest and we arent used to it but not necessarily bacteria or parasites[/QUOTE] an underwater environment is a LOT different from a land environment
[QUOTE=thisispain;30215481]leaving the meat out is a threat because the meat is extremely nutritious so anything in the atmosphere is gonna be extremely attracted to it[/QUOTE] yea if you let it sit for a day you dont wanna eat it without at least singing the outside but within a few hours of the kill and its probably safe [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;30215487]an underwater environment is a LOT different from a land environment[/QUOTE] uh yea tons more bacteria and parasites and yet we dont get sick from it for some reason, mostly because the animals immune system does the work for us
Sure having a chart saying what you should eat is good, but it's not going to change anything.
[QUOTE=booster;30215528]Sure having a chart saying what you should eat is good, but it's not going to change anything.[/QUOTE] ok
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30215491]yea if you let it sit for a day you dont wanna eat it without at least singing the outside but within a few hours of the kill and its probably safe [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] uh yea tons more bacteria and parasites and yet we dont get sick from it for some reason, [b]mostly because the animals immune system does the work for us[/b][/QUOTE] so doesn't that kind of defeat your argument about how we can eat raw fish, and therefore raw meat? :v:
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30215559]so doesn't that kind of defeat your argument about how we can eat raw fish, and therefore raw meat? :v:[/QUOTE] no it supports it, a cows immune system protects it from bacteria and parasites and viruses, if we eat the cow right after its death the bacteria havent had a chance to get into it yet(because there arent a great deal inside it) so its technically safe to eat however there are exceptions to this rule, poultry contains harmful pathogens, and pork can sometimes contain parasites(not as much as it used to)
[QUOTE=Lambeth;30215321]well kobe beef is redonkulously expensive so that might not have been the reason for the height increase[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.luciesfarm.com/artman/publish/article_37.shtml[/url] I'm pretty sure that not all beef in Japan is Wagyu/Kobe.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30215482]we also eat steak rare which means the meat is raw as well[/QUOTE] Rare steak is fine because bacteria only forms on the outside so searing the steak kills it
yawmwen what are you even arguing? Yes we possess the ability to digest raw meat relatively safely, but cooked meat is far more efficient. In fact it's first using fire to cook red meat that is regarded as a major evolutionary turn point for our species.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30215712]Rare steak is fine because bacteria only forms on the outside so searing the steak kills it[/QUOTE] thats p much my point and that steak has been given days to grow bacteria if you just kill a cow you have given no time for the bacteria to form on the outside [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30215726]yawmwen what are you even arguing? Yes we possess the ability to digest raw meat relatively safely, but cooked meat is far more efficient. In fact it's first using fire to cook red meat that is regarded as a major evolutionary turn point for our species.[/QUOTE] dont mind me i go off on my own tangents im just saying that it isnt really unsafe to eat raw meat, just hard to digest [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] i mean inherently unsafe raw meat contaminated with something is bad
yeah but it's usually only really safe to eat beef other commonly cooked animal species are a major gamble
Oh. I thought you were arguing something silly like the superiority of raw meat to cooked meat like some of those paleo diet retards believe
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30213585]That's because the norm in North America is 3 meals, while in Europe they eat more meals but with less food. Fewer large meals leads to overeating[/QUOTE] And a higher metabolism because it's constantly running and that in turn makes you less fat in some way that I'm too tired to remember and explain.
[quote]A total of 26.7 percent of the US population is obese[/quote] there's a difference between obese and overweight, this article is using some weighted language.
[QUOTE=thisispain;30215786]yeah but it's usually only really safe to eat beef other commonly cooked animal species are a major gamble[/QUOTE] fish and beef tend to be safer i also think animals in the deer family are the same [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;30215788]Oh. I thought you were arguing something silly like the superiority of raw meat to cooked meat like some of those paleo diet retards believe[/QUOTE] no theres a reason why we cook meat before eating it, it tastes better and its easier to digest
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;30215792]And a higher metabolism because it's constantly running and that in turn makes you less fat in some way that I'm too tired to remember and explain.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much exactly it, eating less but often keeps your metabolism running and you won't gain as much weight even with the same amount of exercise
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30215896]That's pretty much exactly it, eating less but often keeps your metabolism running and you won't gain as much weight even with the same amount of exercise[/QUOTE] Um no. There is literally ZERO difference between eating 3000 calories a day in 3 large meals, or eating 3000 calories in small frequent snacks.
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