All new upcoming CPUs to officially support only Windows 10
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A lot of anti-10 arguments are literally based on objective untruths though is the problem. People are like, "Well, I'm not switching to 10 because it's a [I]mobile OS[/I]," which isn't true, or, "I hate 10 because it forces updates on you," which is also not true, or, "I can't stand Microsoft spying on me through 10!" which is also bullshit.
Only an incredibly limited number of programs are both not compatible with 10 [I]and[/I] unable to be replaced with a more modern solution. Most such programs are industry grade hardware found on factory equipment, not home PCs. Other than that there are two reasons not to upgrade - one, your hardware provider is garbage or no longer exists so there are no functioning hardware specific drivers for your device on 10, which is fair - or you just like XP/7 and don't want to, which is also fair (but don't bitch about being left behind when your no-longer-updated OS cannot handle technological concepts that did not exist during its era).
Don't invent misinformation to try and trick the uninformed or tech illiterate into agreeing with you when it's literally either a matter of opinion or some bizarre issue with your specific antique hardware.
Microsoft really needs to go the route of big data and stop telling us what we want, and make something that the market ACTUALLY has demand for. Lord fucking knows they know what the market demands, given how much shit they scrape.
I've never had my computer ever force any updates on me, they've always ran when I shut it down - which is usually well into the night. Funny how so many people seem to have it just throw them off what they are doing when it's never done it to me. Windows 7 didn't, 8 didn't and 10 hasn't - and I've upgraded each time!
The fact that ads are more acute at spearing my interests than a multibillion dollar corporation really puts things into perspective.
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;50996289]I've never had my computer ever force any updates on me, they've always ran when I shut it down - which is usually well into the night. Funny how so many people seem to have it just throw them off what they are doing when it's never done it to me. Windows 7 didn't, 8 didn't and 10 hasn't - and I've upgraded each time![/QUOTE]
If you shut down pc every day that's fine but some of us don't or use sleep mode
Windows 10 blows. I got a laptop pre installed with windows 10 and its like Microsoft wont even let me have control of my own laptop. Cant tell defender to fuck off without doing a workaround registry edit, and what if i want to disable windows store and all that useless crap? Nope
[QUOTE=SirJon;50996167]I disagree. Microsoft should solve the issue that makes users apathetic or ignorant.
If people don't se further than the frontend changes, that's Microsofts problem, and they should solve it accordingly, not shove anything down peoples throats.
Perhaps people are ignorant, or perhaps Win10 just doesn't offer people enough to motivate them to upgrade? In either case, it's Microsofts job to inform them, or make Win10 seem more attractive, instead of bruteforcing anything.[/QUOTE]
How would you propose Microsoft market things like HEASLR or a tickless kernel to the average end-user? Under the guise of "better security" and "better performance and power saving"?
Because they already do that, but at this point these kind of vague "features" are so overmarketed they're like a form of background radiation, people are just blind to it.
Most people don't care how it works, only that it does. That apathy isn't something you're going to change, so it ends up falling to Microsoft to pick up the pieces. As we see with their anti-botnet activities, and these moves to force people to keep up to date.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50996356]If you shut down pc every day that's fine but some of us don't or use sleep mode[/QUOTE]
Active hours are set for a reason. It's great.
[QUOTE=Tasm;50996377]Windows 10 blows. I got a laptop pre installed with windows 10 and its like Microsoft wont even let me have control of my own laptop. Cant tell defender to fuck off without doing a workaround registry edit, and what if i want to disable windows store and all that useless crap? Nope[/QUOTE]
The only valid point you've made is that you can't remove the Windows Store. But what you can do is hide remove the icon from your desktop, since it never runs in the background its like you practically removed it... "But I want full control over my computer", then switch to Linux because Mac and Windows aren't right for you.
[url=http://i.imgur.com/OtCyUjn.png]And whats that about not being able to turn off Windows Defender?[/url] Mind you the Real-time protection, Cloud-based Protection, and Automatic sample submission are on because they are handled by Bitdefender, the antivirus I use.
[editline]3rd September 2016[/editline]
I feel like anyone who's had issues with Windows 10 should do a clean install because upgrades have always been a mess. I remember Vista to 7 fucked my PC up and so did 7 to 8.1. If people still have issues then there is probably a hardware compatibility issue, which I guess you can complain about and go back to 7.
One last edit. It's also worth mentioning to people saying Win7 is more secure than Win10 and that Win7 cares more about your privacy (even though they both have the same telemetry). Windows 10 has the iphone-like feature where a program must ask your permission first before it can use a certain device, Windows 7 doesn't. That being said, any program on Windows 7 could get input from your microphone without asking, unlike Windows 10 where it needs permission first. It might not be perfectly secure but it's a major step up from Windows 7.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50996467]Active hours are set for a reason. It's great.[/QUOTE]
It's shit actually. Active hours is a poor replacement for manually choosing when to update (and no choosing a week in advance limit is not good enough)
[QUOTE=SirJon;50995599]Because why bother upgrading something that's by all means is fine and not really outdated?
Win10 isn't terrible,[I] but there isn't anything upgrade worthy about it [/I]while there are some questionable design choices and inconveniences. The sheer fact of it being jammed down our throats is reason enough not to upgrade, to be perfectly honest.[/QUOTE]
virtual desktops?
directx 12?
task view?
fast start up?
action center?
windows ink?
native notification sync to andriod?
a way to beta test dev builds and ask for bugfixes and new features?
wireless display abilities?
better driver control?
storage arrays?
better multimonitor support?
etc etc etc
yeah i get there are some issues with 10, particularly the forced upgrades and updates, and you are all free to criticize microsoft for those actions, but some of the windows 10 hate is just so plain incorrect.
this isnt going from xp to vista where we got a shiny skin at the cost of performance, higher minimum requirements, and just plain instability no matter the system. there are actual, real improvements under the hood and even in plain features. the forced update thing is not consumer friendly, but in reality, actual updates occur once every few months (unless you are on the insider tracks).
feel free to dislike windows 10, you have all the right, but keep your reasoning in reality, not nonsense.
I have seen too many people suffer because of forced updates in Windows 10. Sorry but no I would rather at least have control over when my PC updates.
[editline]4th September 2016[/editline]
Also have some legacy hardware that I cannot risk breaking too.
My legitimate only criticism are the updates which have always interrupted me. Active hours are not smart enough, it should literally just update when there's inactivity and CPU usage is at a low IMO.
[editline]3rd September 2016[/editline]
I have yet to use "legacy hardware" that didn't work in Windows 10
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50996701]My legitimate only criticism are the updates which have always interrupted me. Active hours are not smart enough, it should literally just update when there's inactivity and CPU usage is at a low IMO.
[editline]3rd September 2016[/editline]
I have yet to use "legacy hardware" that didn't work in Windows 10[/QUOTE]
The unfortunate part is the update thing is enough to be a deal breaker for some people, but any criticism of it results in people either saying it doesn't bother [I]them[/I] or outright denying it as a problem like throughout this thread. It'd be a simple fix for MS but MS doesn't seem to be interested in fixing it.
All Windows 10 needs is a "don't nanny me" switch. And no, buying Enterprise and using a group policy editor is not an ideal solution.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;50995538]I dunno, I say the Windows Update portion of W10 is garbage compared to 7. It's really the only thing I hate.
I've had to turn on deferred updates because the Anniversary update breaks some of my stuff. If this was Windows 7 I could have just unchecked and hidden it and let everything else install.[/QUOTE]
Fuck no. Windows Update in 7 is sweet garbage. Selecting updates is literally its ONLY positive. It breaks at the drop of a hat and starts to install the same update over and over if it even gets that far. Not to mention ludicrous resource use (I'm checking for updates, I'll use 600 MB of RAM and one of your cores for the next hour). I've deleted "SoftwareDistribution" in hopes to correct bad updates more than I can count. I've done entire system images at work because Windows Update breaks for no reason. No thanks.
Say what you want about 10 update, at least Windows Update works. But in all fairness it worked in 8 too so there's that.
[QUOTE=false prophet;50995942]As someone who is switching to Linux permanently soon, I hope this doesn't affect me. :([/QUOTE]
It shouldn't, and if for some weird reason it does, they will get cracked like with RT tablets.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50996718]The unfortunate part is the update thing is enough to be a deal breaker for some people, but any criticism of it results in people either saying it doesn't bother [I]them[/I] or outright denying it as a problem like throughout this thread. It'd be a simple fix for MS but MS doesn't seem to be interested in fixing it.
All Windows 10 needs is a "don't nanny me" switch. And no, buying Enterprise and using a group policy editor is not an ideal solution.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why it'd be a dealbreaker though.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50996799]I don't see why it'd be a dealbreaker though.[/QUOTE]
Because it interrupts whatever you are doing unexpectedly, duh.
[video=youtube;eP31lluUDWU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP31lluUDWU[/video]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;50995059]Upgrading to Windows 10 was my biggest mistake in technological decisions. Loads of bugs, incompatibilities, issues, [B]tablet UI[/B], etc. Thank god you can revert.
People who constantly hold the "omg just upgrade already" rhetoric are intolerable pampered babies.[/QUOTE]
All of the other ones, yeah, I'd understand, but Windows 8.1 was the tablet UI OS. If it's so god damn distracting to see squares on the start menu, you can disable them y'know.
[QUOTE=daigennki;50996872]Because it interrupts whatever you are doing unexpectedly, duh.
[video=youtube;eP31lluUDWU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP31lluUDWU[/video][/QUOTE]
Am I the only one not affected by this?
I've never gotten this kind of shit, most updates DO install while I'm using it but thankfully always happen when I'm not really doing anything, so I just restart
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;50996976]Am I the only one not affected by this?
I've never gotten this kind of shit, most updates DO install while I'm using it but thankfully always happen when I'm not really doing anything, so I just restart[/QUOTE]
It literally depends on your computing habits. If your like me, and are very consistent (like not staying up late), shut your PC off regularly, and don't leave it on overnight, you'll never get this. If you leave your PC on all time, its much more likely. It waits 3 days for you to reboot, but if you never reboot...that happens.
Nothing I do requires my workstation to stay on a week straight, so it doesn't. And when I do leave it on, its 3:00 AM on Wednesday on the dot.
[QUOTE=da space core;50996572]virtual desktops?
directx 12?
task view?
fast start up?
action center?
windows ink?
native notification sync to andriod?
a way to beta test dev builds and ask for bugfixes and new features?
wireless display abilities?
better driver control?
storage arrays?
better multimonitor support?
etc etc etc
yeah i get there are some issues with 10, particularly the forced upgrades and updates, and you are all free to criticize microsoft for those actions, but some of the windows 10 hate is just so plain incorrect.
this isnt going from xp to vista where we got a shiny skin at the cost of performance, higher minimum requirements, and just plain instability no matter the system. there are actual, real improvements under the hood and even in plain features. the forced update thing is not consumer friendly, but in reality, actual updates occur once every few months (unless you are on the insider tracks).
feel free to dislike windows 10, you have all the right, but keep your reasoning in reality, not nonsense.[/QUOTE]
None of these mean anything to most users, and on that list I cannot find a single feature that is desirable enough to make me change my OS. I'd upgrade if there was some mega serious issue with Windows 7, but like many, I'm happy with what I have. Most of those features seem technical and specified, and I don't do anything that would require them, many people are the same.
Point being, a lot of non-upgraders aren't not-upgrading because they hate ten, but because they are happy with what they have in seven.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50997068]None of these mean anything to most users, and on that list I cannot find a single feature that is desirable enough to make me change my OS. I'd upgrade if there was some mega serious issue with Windows 7, but like many, I'm happy with what I have. Most of those features seem technical and specified, and I don't do anything that would require them, many people are the same.
Point being, a lot of non-upgraders aren't not-upgrading because they hate ten, but because they are happy with what they have in seven.[/QUOTE]
Except what you have in seven is also in ten and oh yeah you aren't 4 years behind the curve on subsurface operating features which some new programs require to function
It's obstinate to sit there and refuse to upgrade
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50997068]None of these mean anything to most users, and on that list I cannot find a single feature that is desirable enough to make me change my OS. I'd upgrade if there was some mega serious issue with Windows 7, but like many, I'm happy with what I have. Most of those features seem technical and specified, and I don't do anything that would require them, many people are the same.
Point being, a lot of non-upgraders aren't not-upgrading because they hate ten, but because they are happy with what they have in seven.[/QUOTE]
You can't get DX12. Because there's so many people who can't get DX12, and refuse to upgrade to 10, DX12 isn't being pushed into as many games meaning we're not getting the widespread adoption of a significantly better API to be working with
so yeah, you may not think you're holding anything up, dr evilcorp may not think that, but, you are.
if anything, directx12 is a pretty good incentive. from what i've seen the performance gain is great except it's w10 only
Is there any specific technical reason why these CPUs won't work with older Windows other than "we chose not to let it"?
Nearly all of the seniors I work with don't use a single feature of Win 10, and look at Win 10 as adding unnecessary complexity and causing far more issues, especially if they run a shit antivirus like Norton or McAfee that often screws up the install (and most of them got the antivirus sold to them from their ISP or the store they bought their computer from). The average Win 10 user got it as an update applied over their OS, a tactic which frequently exacerbates issues from the previous OS or introduces new problems when you don't do a clean install. They don't use: Cortana, Edge, Groove Music, Windows Store, Virtual Desktops, Snap Assist, any power user stuff, etc. At most they use Photos to view their photos and don't use any other features. They only use their PC for Word, Internet Explorer (or after I fix their PC, Chrome or Firefox) for email and Google search, and maybe the Windows games that came with 7 that Microsoft kindly removed for them for no reason other than to push their shitty solitaire collection (luckily there's ways to reinstall them). Edge confuses the fuck out of them and they can't get their bookmarks or change their search engine and have no clue how to change that.
The average user does not benefit enough from Win 10 for it to be worth the risk. Power users/gamers like me benefit but the average computer user knows jack shit about computers and never asked for things to change and don't benefit from change, so to them its not a good thing.
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;50997165]Is there any specific technical reason why these CPUs won't work with older Windows other than "we chose not to let it"?
Nearly all of the seniors I work with don't use a single feature of Win 10, and look at Win 10 as adding unnecessary complexity and causing far more issues, especially if they run a shit antivirus like Norton or McAfee that often screws up the install (and most of them got the antivirus sold to them from their ISP or the store they bought their computer from). The average Win 10 user got it as an update applied over their OS, a tactic which frequently exacerbates issues from the previous OS or introduces new problems when you don't do a clean install. They don't use: Cortana, Edge, Groove Music, Windows Store, Virtual Desktops, Snap Assist, any power user stuff, etc. At most they use Photos to view their photos and don't use any other features. They only use their PC for Word, Internet Explorer (or after I fix their PC, Chrome or Firefox) for email and Google search, and maybe the Windows games that came with 7 that Microsoft kindly removed for them for no reason other than to push their shitty solitaire collection (luckily there's ways to reinstall them). Edge confuses the fuck out of them and they can't get their bookmarks or change their search engine and have no clue how to change that.
The average user does not benefit enough from Win 10 for it to be worth the risk. Power users/gamers like me benefit but the average computer user knows jack shit about computers and never asked for things to change and don't benefit from change, so to them its not a good thing.[/QUOTE]
i disagree, windows 10 is different but its actually quite easy to do basic tasks. I will agree that PC vendors packaging mcAfee to everything is not helping (it never did, all the way back to the days of XP).
as for if the cpu actually requires windows 10, I think that will be the case. Windows 7 predated a lot of cpu technology, particularly security things, and its a real pain to emulate those things for 7 and remain chained down in general.
my only hope is that microsoft will be fine with people making 3rd party modifications to get the new cpus to use 7 anyways. my hope is they don't put some form of "drm" estique lock that is technically unnecessary, but is just there to stop 7 users. I doubt microsoft would do that though, its such a tiny portion of the userbase that would bother doing this that it wouldnt even be the effort trying to stop them and then deal with the outrage that follows
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50994999]But I bet they'll run Linux just fine. :pcrepair:[/QUOTE]
Of course they will. They will also run macOS just fine. It's just the Windows version support that will be different.
Introducing the least mobile windows phone you've ever owned v2.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50995527]I could see someone with a tablet PC or touchscreen laptop sticking with 8 :v: it's not awful in that regard. Plus, some people kinda had to due to driver issues.[/QUOTE]
Should have also mentioned I did and still do use a windows tablet
the one/one+0.3 application layout was a god damn annoyance
being able to use the same applications in a window these days is nice, even if the application interfaces aren't that great.
Lync is one of the few I use and damn it's not pretty
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