All new upcoming CPUs to officially support only Windows 10
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[QUOTE=SirJon;50998734]Yes, thank you for listing the things people may not deem update worthy.[/QUOTE]
thank you for adding nothing to the argument.
Anyways, here is my final take on windows 10. If you are on windows 7, or on XP or windows 95, and are happy there, then by all means stay there. Upgrading your OS in general is a hassle, and if things for you work already, I can understand the mentality "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." this is specifically why I was against microsoft's aggressive upgrade campaign.
However, there are 2 things about the "stay on 7" camp that I find annoying.
1: use of incorrect information. Windows 10 actually does add many new features and improvements, pretending it doesn't is a lie. even if you don't find any of the features helpful (who here seriously doesn't want faster boot times?), thats your personal opinion. and no, windows 10 doesn't spy on you, its basic telemetry data even 7 was involved in.
2. thinking that the world must still cater to your several year old OS. Windows 7 is one of the best OS's that microsoft has ever put out, but it is getting old. new cpus dropping support for it is just one more example of the world moving on
if you dont do the 2 things I mentioned above (by keeping your perspective in reality) then I don't care if your're using windows 3.1 if it works for you.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;50998291]The notifications can be hidden by full screen applications, which is almost certainly what happened there.
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No it can't. Not once has it not appeared in a full screen game. It minimizes the game which sucks yeah but you can't say you don't know its going to happen
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50999515]What CPUs did that actually impact? I can't think of many from recent years at least that are lacking certain core instructions. Outside of actual legacy hardware that I'd be surprised to see in use by like 98% of the consumer market (Pentium/MIPS makes up the entire remaining 2%).[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, pentium made a new rig this week and runs Windows 7 now so y'all can stop fucking with him
It's 7 but still an improvement
[QUOTE=pentium;50991133]I really can't wait to see what kind of a passive cooler I can get once my new rig is in the Level 10.
Fuck. This feels so weird. I'm actually upgrading to something modern after almost ten years. SSD's, low power components, true multi-core chips and an OS that is even shittier than XP.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;50999746]Believe it or not, pentium made a new rig this week and runs Windows 7 now so y'all can stop fucking with him
It's 7 but still an improvement[/QUOTE]
Well in 10 more years people will still fuck with him if he stays in 7 while everybody and their dog finds their way in to W10
Title should really read, "Windows 10 only version of Windows to support newer CPUs"
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50999662]No it can't. Not once has it not appeared in a full screen game. It minimizes the game which sucks yeah but you can't say you don't know its going to happen[/QUOTE]
This can't be right. I've had my pc update and reboot unknowingly many times while gaming and nothing was minimized.
[QUOTE=SirJon;50995599]Because why bother upgrading something that's by all means is fine and not really outdated?
Win10 isn't terrible, but there isn't anything upgrade worthy about it while there are some questionable design choices and inconveniences. The sheer fact of it being jammed down our throats is reason enough not to upgrade, to be perfectly honest.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily trying to defend Windows 10 but this is the reason why so many people are still on XP. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", begets technological stagnation.
Fucking good, w7 holdouts are probably the most stubborn/misinformed people I've had the pleasure of talking to. I get it if your running infrastructure that cannot work on 10 (yet or at all) but people who stick with 7 for their personal rigs out of "principle" like if enough of them refuse to update Microsoft will cancel W10 or something. :v:
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50999957]Fucking good, w7 holdouts are probably the most stubborn/misinformed people I've had the pleasure of talking to. I get it if your running infrastructure that cannot work on 10 (yet or at all) but people who stick with 7 for their personal rigs out of "principle" like if enough of them refuse to update Microsoft will cancel W10 or something. :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't fret about it anymore, since the free upgrade is "over". Its their prerogative. But if people get pissy about Microsoft and software/hardware vendors not fully supporting their 7 year old OS then I just laugh. You knew the risks, you had your chance, and staying behind does have consequences. And this stuff is just going to get more and more common as the years go by, like every legacy OS does.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50999907]Not necessarily trying to defend Windows 10 but this is the reason why so many people are still on XP. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", begets technological stagnation.[/QUOTE]
For real, there's been a host of improvements to CPU instructions in the last half a decade (mostly due to Intel pushing AVX like crazy). Modern programs could take advantage of things like AVX-512 to cut down compute time on a reasonable number of operations (media (de-)encoding, various calculations in video games, etc.). But this requires multiple binaries (or bloated binaries with less optimisations to handle the alternate paths) to support the majority of operating systems used.
Older operating systems just don't support these at a kernel level most times, missing the appropriate drivers due and so forth. Linux gets away with it because you can easily swap out the kernel to a newer version and not break 90% of the OS as a result. But Windows isn't quite that flexible still.
[editline]4th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;50999746]Believe it or not, pentium made a new rig this week and runs Windows 7 now so y'all can stop fucking with him
It's 7 but still an improvement[/QUOTE]
The end times are nigh.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50999957]Fucking good, w7 holdouts are probably the most stubborn/misinformed people I've had the pleasure of talking to. I get it if your running infrastructure that cannot work on 10 (yet or at all) but people who stick with 7 for their personal rigs out of "principle" like if enough of them refuse to update Microsoft will cancel W10 or something. :v:[/QUOTE]
I disagree, if you have 7 already installed, why go through the hassle of upgrading if you are already fine?
What I don't get are people who are building new computers today and are still installing 7. that i dont understand
Alright people, I have 7 and 10 dual booted on my PC. I was an Insider for 10 since the beginning, I run Skylake. 7 is my current daily driver. Here's why I did it:
I like it better. I know how to fix it and customize it more than I do 10. In my daily life, I see more 7 than anything else. Now sure, 7 is in an SSD and 10 isn't, so boot times are closer than you'd think. I keep 10 around because of games, like Halo 5 and Forza 6, but I use Vulkan much more than I do DX12 for now.
I don't hate 10, and I'm not afraid of Microsoft taking AppStore analytics like [B]Apple does on a fucking phone. [/B] The public is mostly misinformed on 10's basic telemetry, which consist of everything a fucking phone does, nothing more. When you use Siri or GoogleNow, ofc your text or voice is sent away. Windows does it too.
Leave people to their fucking preference, and if they are missing out, fine. You don't need to fucking harass people about their goddamn OS. Chances are they'll eventually get something that runs the new one anyhow.
I'm not saying 10 is unusable, but I do dislike what they've done with the Explorer. Once they add tabbed explorer and Classic Shell works with it, I will jump ship.
Here's the thing, if people don't want windows 10 than let them actively use 8/7 and if they want windows 10 let them use 10. What surprises me is why you guys give a shit about who picks what. This thread is like a 17th century religious debate.
Personally, I don't like W10's or 8's layout, and I don't care about fighting over whether you do or don't either.
[QUOTE=Humblebumbled;51000548]Here's the thing, if people don't want windows 10 than let them actively use 8/7 and if they want windows 10 let them use 10. What surprises me is why you guys give a shit about who picks what. This thread is like a 17th century religious debate.
Personally, I don't like W10's layout, and I don't care about fighting over whether you do or don't either.[/QUOTE]But the layout is the same. How can you not like it?
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51000604]But the layout is the same. How can you not like it?[/QUOTE]
8 or 10 is what I meant to say, sorry.
10 and 7 are more alike than 10 and 8.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51000844]10 and 7 are more alike than 10 and 8.[/QUOTE]
The ability to copy/paste in cmd is pretty awesome in 10
All of my computers are running 10 with the exception of my old laptop which is incompatible because dell drivers.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;51001048]The ability to copy/paste in cmd is pretty awesome in 10
All of my computers are running 10 with the exception of my old laptop which is incompatible because dell drivers.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a new feature? I've been able to copy and paste in CMD since I started using it daily on Vista.
[QUOTE=Humblebumbled;51000548]Here's the thing, if people don't want windows 10 than let them actively use 8/7 and if they want windows 10 let them use 10. What surprises me is why you guys give a shit about who picks what. This thread is like a 17th century religious debate.
Personally, I don't like W10's or 8's layout, and I don't care about fighting over whether you do or don't either.[/QUOTE]
Because when people obstinately stick to old operating systems, it results in higher rates of malware infection spurring the rise of botnets and thus DDoS attacks, makes software developers jobs harder and wastes time with backwards compatibility, and can often slow down the adoption of technology.
People are often eager to shit on games consoles when they're clearly holding the state of game development back. Yet no one seems to care when it comes to OSes.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51002240]This isn't a new feature? I've been able to copy and paste in CMD since I started using it daily on Vista.[/QUOTE]
With ctrl+v?
You can't
Don't worry you W7 holdouts, VIA will save you. I heard every single one of the processors they're releasing this year supports W7 and up.
[QUOTE=xagnu;51002253]Because when people obstinately stick to old operating systems, it results in higher rates of malware infection spurring the rise of botnets and thus DDoS attacks, makes software developers jobs harder and wastes time with backwards compatibility, and can often slow down the adoption of technology.
People are often eager to shit on games consoles when they're clearly holding the state of game development back. Yet no one seems to care when it comes to OSes.[/QUOTE]
in the current point of time, security is not an issue. windows 7 still is receiving security updates for several more years and security software continues to support it as well. it was an issue for XP when its support ended and people still insisted on using it.
as for software devs having to spend more time developing for windows 7, I have a simple solution, just don't bother. if some folks want to stay on 7, they are free to do so but it doesn't mean everyone has to cater to them
[QUOTE=Scratch.;51002347]With ctrl+v?
You can't[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, it's a terminal. Enable quick edit mode and you can select what you want, then hit enter to copy. Then to paste it's just a right click.
[URL="https://s.gvid.me/s/2016/09/04/fXO859.webm"]Demonstration.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50995124]So a marketing team has put you off from updating your OS.[/QUOTE]
Considering it was their job to convince me to do so in the first place, yes. I'm quite happy with 7. It works. It does everything I ask it to do, it supports everything I'm asking it to support. I have no desire to change operating systems, no need to go through that much faff and bother right now. To get me to do so would require convincing me that there's a reason to do so, and what their marketing department did was convince me in the wrong direction. Rather than make me want W10, they made me hate W10, made me feel like my right to choose what software I run on my computer was but a privelege.
You call it petty, I call it 'I'm not playing ball, Microsoft'. They fucked up selling me on W10 and the result is they lost me as a customer for W10. We can try again in a year or two when I'm actually ready for a new OS install, perhaps they'll have wisened up by then. Or perhaps they'll be even more militant about it, hard to guess.
[QUOTE=paul simon;50995132]
By all means trap yourself with an OS that will be unsupported by more and more things.[/quote]
By the time that's a concern my hardware will be nearing 10 years old. I buy for the long term, I can't afford to upgrade on the schedule most gamers upgrade their rigs on. The stuff I buy now(I'm looking at a nice secondhand I7 build at the moment as my AMD tricore is showing its age) I'll in all likelihood still be using in 2026.
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You could've saved a lot of money by upgrading.[/QUOTE]
In what way? By the time I'm ready to upgrade OS They'll have Windows 12 or 13 out. I'm going to reinstall 7....sometime...and I get 3-5 years per windows install. By the time my current one, going on 3 years old at this point, is truly spent and needs reinstalling W10's successor will have been announced.
We'll see then, I guess. W10 is burnt for me, but perhaps when I'm ready to install an OS again they'll have something better out.
[editline]4th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=xagnu;51002253]Because when people obstinately stick to old operating systems, it results in higher rates of malware infection spurring the rise of botnets and thus DDoS attacks, makes software developers jobs harder and wastes time with backwards compatibility, and can often slow down the adoption of technology.
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Ultimately, it's our choice as [b]owners[/b] of computers. If I want to run a Windows 98SE machine I have every right to do that with the hardware I bought with the money I earned. If I want to keep using Windows 7 I bloody well will. I don't rent my machine, I own it. I built it, with parts I bought to a spec I created. IT is as close to 'mine' as it can get without me firing up a fab of my own and printing the parts directly. Nobody else has any right to tell me what version of operating system to run on it.
And, heh, I buck your trend. I keep my shit malware free. I'm not part of a botnet. Maybe grandma who doesn't know better is running a botnet node unwittingly, but I'm not. And, I expect, few gamers are, as we tend to be smart enough to run regular malware scans and to not download shady shit.
[QUOTE=da space core;51002510]in the current point of time, security is not an issue. windows 7 still is receiving security updates for several more years and security software continues to support it as well. it was an issue for XP when its support ended and people still insisted on using it.
as for software devs having to spend more time developing for windows 7, I have a simple solution, just don't bother. if some folks want to stay on 7, they are free to do so but it doesn't mean everyone has to cater to them[/QUOTE]
It certainly might be receiving security patches, but it isn't receiving any further hardening/mitigation work that can be instrumental in preventing 0day vulnerabilities from having too big an impact.
Your statement in regards to developers ignoring older Windows releases is all very well, but for many devs that is not financially viable.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51002592]
And, heh, I buck your trend. I keep my shit malware free. I'm not part of a botnet. Maybe grandma who doesn't know better is running a botnet node unwittingly, but I'm not. And, I expect, few gamers are, as we tend to be smart enough to run regular malware scans and to not download shady shit.[/QUOTE]
Gamers all too often have no idea what they're doing, as evidenced by the market for "leet gam3r pr0" products or the myriad snakeoil "tweaker" applications they use. What is the current snakeoil? Core unparking? DPC latency? HPET/UsePlatformClock?
Well designed malware works invisibly, avoiding both scanners and the user's notice. This isn't the 90s anymore, laughing skull storage-wipers are a thing of the past.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;51002513]Well yeah, it's a terminal. Enable quick edit mode and you can select what you want, then hit enter to copy. Then to paste it's just a right click.
[URL="https://s.gvid.me/s/2016/09/04/fXO859.webm"]Demonstration.[/URL][/QUOTE]
that doesn't look like vista
You can paste into cmd in xp even, all you have to do is right click
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51003249]You can paste into cmd in xp even, all you have to do is right click[/QUOTE]
:v:
right click paste hasn't been working
toggle legacy mode on and off and it works again on modern (as well as legacy).
Probably didn't have quick edit enabled
Ctrl+Shift+(Plus/Minus) is a fun command
What's the point in making a processor only work with one piece of software?
[QUOTE=TestECull;51002592]Considering it was their job to convince me to do so in the first place, yes. I'm quite happy with 7. It works. It does everything I ask it to do, it supports everything I'm asking it to support. I have no desire to change operating systems, no need to go through that much faff and bother right now. To get me to do so would require convincing me that there's a reason to do so, and what their marketing department did was convince me in the wrong direction. Rather than make me want W10, they made me hate W10, made me feel like my right to choose what software I run on my computer was but a privelege.
You call it petty, I call it 'I'm not playing ball, Microsoft'. They fucked up selling me on W10 and the result is they lost me as a customer for W10. We can try again in a year or two when I'm actually ready for a new OS install, perhaps they'll have wisened up by then. Or perhaps they'll be even more militant about it, hard to guess.
By the time that's a concern my hardware will be nearing 10 years old. I buy for the long term, I can't afford to upgrade on the schedule most gamers upgrade their rigs on. The stuff I buy now(I'm looking at a nice secondhand I7 build at the moment as my AMD tricore is showing its age) I'll in all likelihood still be using in 2026.
In what way? By the time I'm ready to upgrade OS They'll have Windows 12 or 13 out. I'm going to reinstall 7....sometime...and I get 3-5 years per windows install. By the time my current one, going on 3 years old at this point, is truly spent and needs reinstalling W10's successor will have been announced.
We'll see then, I guess. W10 is burnt for me, but perhaps when I'm ready to install an OS again they'll have something better out.
[editline]4th September 2016[/editline]
Ultimately, it's our choice as [b]owners[/b] of computers. If I want to run a Windows 98SE machine I have every right to do that with the hardware I bought with the money I earned. If I want to keep using Windows 7 I bloody well will. I don't rent my machine, I own it. I built it, with parts I bought to a spec I created. IT is as close to 'mine' as it can get without me firing up a fab of my own and printing the parts directly. Nobody else has any right to tell me what version of operating system to run on it.
And, heh, I buck your trend. I keep my shit malware free. I'm not part of a botnet. Maybe grandma who doesn't know better is running a botnet node unwittingly, but I'm not. And, I expect, few gamers are, as we tend to be smart enough to run regular malware scans and to not download shady shit.[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine not doing a full format of my hard drives every year, let alone five.
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