• All new upcoming CPUs to officially support only Windows 10
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[QUOTE=Scratch.;51003343]:v: right click paste hasn't been working toggle legacy mode on and off and it works again on modern (as well as legacy). Probably didn't have quick edit enabled Ctrl+Shift+(Plus/Minus) is a fun command[/QUOTE] Shift-insert or middle mouse button are two other ways to copy paste in terminals, after highlighting text. Ctrl-v isn't used because it's a useful hotkey for CLI apps IIRC. Even one terminals that try to be easy usually it's still something like ctrl-shift-v. [QUOTE=phygon;51003491]What's the point in making a processor only work with one piece of software?[/QUOTE] It's a bit heavy handed but they just aren't going to put in the effort to support archaic operating systems. It is weird that 8 isn't supported since it's pretty similar to 10, but it's perfectly understandable to not support 7.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51003619]Shift-insert or middle mouse button are two other ways to copy paste in terminals, after highlighting text.[/QUOTE] Shift insert is new to windows 10, Sometimes I feel like I prefer it with the two handed input (small hands) Middle click sounds exclusive to linux, as in windows it's used to activate mouse movement based scroller of course, users are free to enable old functionality with legacy mode if conflicts do become an issue
[QUOTE=phygon;51003491]What's the point in making a processor only work with one piece of software?[/QUOTE] thats not what is happening, they are just no longer supporting old OSes of the Microsoft family. Some of them might still work... they just dont care if they do.
i use windows 10 at work and the network & internet screen is fucking awful - swapping VPNs opens up an obnoxious full screen window for literally no reason other than that it's fine
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50999515]Outside of actual legacy hardware that I'd be surprised to see in use by like 98% of the consumer market (Pentium/MIPS makes up the entire remaining 2%).[/QUOTE] You missed the memo where I upgraded to an i5.
[QUOTE=phygon;51003491]What's the point in making a processor only work with one piece of software?[/QUOTE] I'd ask why would someone buy a new CPU to run a years old OS? If you have legacy software you need to run you might as well save some money and buy a used CPU that meets your needs.
[QUOTE=Scratch.;51002759]that doesn't look like vista[/QUOTE] Well OBV, I'm not on Vista now, but I've been using that trick [I]since[/I] Vista. [URL="https://s.gvid.me/s/2016/09/06/2CZ996.webm"]Here it is working on Server 08R2[/URL]. I don't have a Vista VM or machine to test it on, but I know it works there.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;50995443]Irony of people who refused to update are actually intolerable pampered babies who think the world should revolve around them and stall technology.[/QUOTE] Yea, stalling technology by supporting an OS that's objectively flawed in many ways. Honestly, Microsoft needs to be broken up into several competing companies. This monopoly shit is getting kind of ridiculous.
I wish there was a minimal windows OS like 7 which you could choose as an alternative to 10.
[QUOTE=space1;51008201]Yea, stalling technology by supporting an OS that's objectively flawed in many ways. Honestly, Microsoft needs to be broken up into several competing companies. This monopoly shit is getting kind of ridiculous.[/QUOTE] And the king of not reading goes to...
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51008314]And the king of not reading goes to...[/QUOTE] I understand the fact that making support for legacy systems is difficult and all, it's just that the newer software is infinitely inferior to almost all of it's alternatives. If everyone developed for some open source OS that wasn't created by some monopoly-like entity that constantly engages in shady anti-consumer business practices, do you think we'd be having this discussion at all?
[QUOTE=space1;51008748]I understand the fact that making support for legacy systems is difficult and all, it's just that the newer software is infinitely inferior to almost all of it's alternatives.[/QUOTE] Subjective.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51008756]Subjective.[/QUOTE] Objective, objective. Being forced to download updates automatically is objectively bad because it removes freedom from the consumer, a policy that is core to Microsoft these days it seems. I'll go into more detail later.
[QUOTE=space1;51008785]Objective, objective. Being forced to download updates automatically is objectively bad because it removes freedom from the consumer, a policy that is core to Microsoft these days it seems. I'll go into more detail later.[/QUOTE] Subjective to each individuals needs and requirements from an operating system If you want the safest experience, the automatic updates may be of value. I've been told off before because I always forget to update and upgrade my Linux distros, somewhat of a security risk. Although I bet not many people would be upset at the updates if they did not require a complete restart, as I've said, it remains one of its biggest flaws, if updating did not mean to close and stop everything, most updates wouldn't be a big deal
[QUOTE=space1;51008785]Objective, objective. Being forced to download updates automatically is objectively bad because it removes freedom from the consumer, a policy that is core to Microsoft these days it seems. I'll go into more detail later.[/QUOTE] You claim to be objective yet you ignore the many, many benefits windows 10 has and look only at the flaws. Stick on 7, thats your right, but get real
I doubt kaby lake will even bring significant improvements in performance
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;51009385]I doubt kaby lake will even bring significant improvements in performance[/QUOTE] Latest icore processors have done pretty well on energy usage though. Not all about ghz and benchmarks
[QUOTE=meppers;50994997]honestly i've just given up on people that won't move on past 7[/QUOTE] You're saying this as if it's your job to convince people to upgrade. Who gives a fuck? Let people use what they want to use.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51008226]I wish there was a minimal windows OS like 7 which you could choose as an alternative to 10.[/QUOTE] "7" "minimal" wot? It still comes chock-loaded of shit you gotta disable if you want to. If you've got a key on hand windows server may work for you, some people have used it as a desktop before, sometimes you get fucked over by proprietary software tho e.g. nvidia drivers refuse to install, some things detect you're on windows server and go "A-HA, PAY FOR ENTERPRISE USAGE BOYYYYYY." but it is pretty minimal by default.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51012919]Latest icore processors have done pretty well on energy usage though. Not all about ghz and benchmarks[/QUOTE] It is for anyone who cares enough to stay on 7
[QUOTE=space1;51008785]Objective, objective. Being forced to download updates automatically is objectively bad because it removes freedom from the consumer, a policy that is core to Microsoft these days it seems. I'll go into more detail later.[/QUOTE] Local Policy Editor is the answer to your no auto updates problem. The autodownload part bugs me since my connection's kinda crappy, so I just have it set to notify but don't download. Check the win update policy, set it to either notify but do not download or download but don't auto-install. If you have Home and don't have access to admin tools, you can still turn it off via registry edit.
I'm annoyed that Microsoft fired the proper trained bug testing team then removed the ability to turn off auto updates. They send you a hole heap of bugs now and if one of them damages your install you have to start over. Someone explain the logic there. I tried putting Windows on my laptop but it has a fair few issues with the hybrid graphics, so even if I wanted to upgrade it, I can't, so it's stuck not being able to run later software because Microsoft didn't fix these issues.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;51014405]I'm annoyed that Microsoft fired the proper trained bug testing team then removed the ability to turn off auto updates. They send you a hole heap of bugs now and if one of them damages your install you have to start over. Someone explain the logic there. I tried putting Windows on my laptop but it has a fair few issues with the hybrid graphics, so even if I wanted to upgrade it, I can't, so it's stuck not being able to run later software because Microsoft didn't fix these issues.[/QUOTE] Source on them firing bug testers? Because i always see quick responses from them in the insiders hub thing for bug fixes and and suggestions and the such
I love Win10 with all my heart and will defend it to the ends of the earth.
[QUOTE=MagicCookie948;50994963]I can barely tell the difference between 10 and 7.[/QUOTE]One's still supported by updates and security fixes, the other is not.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51012919]Latest icore processors have done pretty well on energy usage though. Not all about ghz and benchmarks[/QUOTE] Clock speed doesn't matter all that much, it's a relative term. However, benchmarks are important. If the benchmarks don't take energy usage (such as watt per FPS or watt per dollar) into account at all, then they're not much use.
[QUOTE=crazzyman2288;51014729]One's still supported by updates and security fixes, the other is not.[/QUOTE] windows 7 is covered with security updates for a few more years. they just get no feature updates
[QUOTE=crazzyman2288;51014729]One's still supported by updates and security fixes, the other is not.[/QUOTE] They both get security updates, just that for 7, that is ALL it will ever get until 2020. Technically, as far as MS in concerned, its a dead platform.
[QUOTE=da space core;51014661]Source on them firing bug testers? Because i always see quick responses from them in the insiders hub thing for bug fixes and and suggestions and the such[/QUOTE] I've been hearing the claim for a while, but I can't find a source right now - Mary Jo wrote something about "some" dedicated testers being fired back in 2014, but how many is totally up in the air. Windows 10 felt more buggy on release to me than Windows 8 (and we had a bunch of catastrophically buggy releases being rolled out to consumers last year), though, and obviously the recent (ongoing) webcam fiasco is just incompetent; so I can kinda see where the rumours (if they are nothing more than rumours) are coming from. That may also just be a result of the Windows 10 rollout being insane in scale - more than 20% of the market is on a barely one year old release now, so the early bugs probably annoyed more people than is usual.
I've thought about doing a clean install of 10, but I'm not sure. There's a lot of flak from both sides being tossed around, and I wouldn't be using enterprise so my options are limited, probably. I know a lot of people would think I'm stupid for considering installing 7 instead, but this all seems like a big hassle. I'm concerned about the privacy issues, compatibility, and the automatic updates. Automatic updates are awful for me.
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