Man's Life-Alert pendant goes off; gets shot after telling police to leave him alone
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[QUOTE=Andokool12;35040344]He says he's okay, the officers insist on coming in, get aggressive about it, start shooting tasers. He gets the idea they're trying to attack him for no reason, he grabs a knife to defend himself.
What's so hard to understand? You think because he grabbed a knife that immediately invalidates any sense of idiocy in what these officers did?[/QUOTE]
I just don't see why the police didn't back out.
Obviously if he's showing any agression you'd just get him outside and tackle him.
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048385]Which again, means that they illegally entered private housing, threatened a civilian and then shot him when he defended himself.[/QUOTE]
I would count him triggering his lifealarm, not answering the operator and then refusing to open the door as probable cause. Of course they should've tried to talk him into letting them in and calm him down, not fucking yell and bust the door in.
He probably triggered the life alarm due to something with his heart, let's tazer him to make sure.
He really should have opened the door, but the way the police officers acted is inexcusable.
[QUOTE=lavacano;35046367]fucking pig cops[/QUOTE]
I would just like to say that the actions of these officers shouldn't affect the way you act with other police officers. Most of them are just people doing jobs like the ones you or I may have but, as with any other job, you're bound to get asshats eventually. It just happens that this is a job that carries great responsibility, and not everybody is lucky enough to have that when they decide this is the job they want.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;35046622]if the police think there's a possible emergency in your home when there isn't you should probably let them in for 45 seconds to show them that there's not[/QUOTE]
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no they have no right to be let in and you have all the right to keep them outside.
But I guess thats what you get for stuffing former soldiers into the force because the economy is breaking and theres no other jobs so now you've got clusters of self-aggrandized psychopaths with PTSD murdering people in your communities.
Harvest what you sow.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;35049348]Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no they have no right to be let in and you have all the right to keep them outside.[/QUOTE]
The alert system went off and the police went to check it out, how are they supposed to be sure that there wasn't a criminal inside the house telling them not to come in? For all they knew someone could have had the homeowner at gunpoint, forcing him to try and send the police away.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;35049348]Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no they have no right to be let in and you have all the right to keep them outside.[/QUOTE]
i don't think that's true
i'm not an expert on this and i don't think you are either but here's what i found
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-and-announce]knock-and-announce[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution]the fourth amendment[/url] and especially [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause]probable cause[/url]
so it's basically like i said
if the police have reason to suspect that there may be an emergency in a residence (like if a life-alert pendant went off and notified the authorities) and they knock and the resident reacts suspiciously (like not answering the door and just telling them to go away) i think that qualifies as probable cause for a forcible entry
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048385]Which again, means that they illegally entered private housing, threatened a civilian and then shot him when he defended himself.[/QUOTE]
He hit an emergency button which calls 911, refuses to respond to the operator, and then doesn't open the door to the cops responding to an emergency.
[editline]8th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048988]He probably triggered the life alarm due to something with his heart, let's tazer him to make sure.[/QUOTE]
For all they knew it was a home invader. From the man's other(let's just use the word unwise)actions, it really wouldn't have surprised me if as soon as his door was busted in he jumped up and approached the cops to yell at them or something.
And life alert can be used for any emergency. He has it because of a condition that can make it hard to reach a phone. But it can be used for regular 911 emergencies, not just his heart.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35040178]Yeah, not really something I can defend.[/QUOTE]
They broke into his house without a warrant and started assaulting him, isnt that just cause to defend yourself?
Jesus, the way this is worded it was like reading a drama story.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35050194]They broke into his house without a warrant and started assaulting him, isnt that just cause to defend yourself?[/QUOTE]
He called the cops for christ's sakes. You call 911, say there's an emergency, and then put the phone down. See what happens when cops arrive and you tell them to leave without opening the door.
[QUOTE=That Poster;35040009]
He [I]allegedly[/I] grabbed a knife, though he'd been tazed immediately beforehand.
...why did they taze a guy who they [I]knew[/I] had heart problems?[/QUOTE]
I have a weakness to bullets, dont shoot me!
They really dont care.
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048342]Except I actually train with knives regularly and something like a shitty kitchen knife, wielded by a fucking 68 year old with a major heart condition isn't gonna pose a threat with a decent pair of kevlar gloves, even less with a kevlar vest.[/QUOTE]
First off, most cops aren't martial artists who can counter an armed attacker without effort.
Second, where are you getting the idea of kevlar gloves? Most cops don't even wear gloves, let alone "kevlar" gloves.
[editline]8th March 2012[/editline]
Hell, a significant portion of police officers in this country don't even have kevlar vests. That shit's expensive and smaller departments (the majority) often can't afford it with their tiny budgets.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35050194]They broke into his house without a warrant and started assaulting him, isnt that just cause to defend yourself?[/QUOTE]
By reporting an emergency and then refusing to show the situation has improved (or that the person they're talking to is the same man that contacted the police,) the police had reasonable cause to believe there was something going on, giving them the ability to enter the house without a warrant.
Are you suggesting police shouldn't respond to calls where they don't get a response?
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048385]Which again, means that they illegally entered private housing, threatened a civilian and then shot him when he defended himself.[/QUOTE]
Yup. That sounds about right, though we all know these cops won't be charged for shit like always.
[QUOTE=Crimor;35048342]Except I actually train with knives regularly and something like a shitty kitchen knife, wielded by a fucking 68 year old with a major heart condition isn't gonna pose a threat with a decent pair of kevlar gloves, even less with a kevlar vest.[/QUOTE]
I can tell right now you're full of shit and know nothing.
Officer's standard vests are not rated to stop knife attacks.
...and do not for a minute think you will 'correct' me on this. I wear a vest everyday. My Level 3 vest is not even rated to stop a knife. Sure, there are hybrid vests (Bullet resistant / Stab Resistant ) but they are not common and tend to be much more expensive.
The only thing that may save me from a direct knife attack if I was unable to defend myself would be if they hit my hard trauma plate that covers a mere 10x8" area over my heart.
If you actually trained with knives 'regularly' then you would, above all people, know the dangers of a knife -regardless of WHO wields it.
Grow up and stop watching Hollywood flicks. Let me guess, your training consists of watching YouTube videos and ordering old VHS sets about fighting with knives, right?
Wait....
Is this your YouTube page?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk59imFr6yI[/media]
Also, while some duty gloves are kevlar lined...again...they are not rated to be used to fight against a knife.
Even if they did....
"Uh sir, could you please wait before you attack me with your knife? Thanks man, hold on, I gotta put on my kevlar gloves. Thanks!"
Get real.
On this situation. The funny things is - had this person been raided in a home invasion and was being held hostage. Or had some sort of medical condition and was refusing treatment and the police had simply turned away when he told them to leave without coming to the door to show everything was fine...all of you would be screaming bloody murder about how lazy and stupid the police are.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35050779]Yup. That sounds about right, though we all know these cops won't be charged for shit like always.[/QUOTE]
holy shit do any of you guys think this through?
-Someone breaks into your house and you call 911
-you're hiding from the intruder and can't speak on the phone, since you're unresponsive to the operator they send officers to check it out, as they should
-Police arrive and knock on the door. The intruder won't even open the door to identify himself, just shouts out "hey guys nothing wrong in here you can just go home now"
Are you really going to argue that officers didn't have probable cause to enter and that they should turn around and leave in this situation?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35050779]Yup. That sounds about right, though we all know these cops won't be charged for shit like always.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the post right above yours?
Yet again the cops are shitting up.
[QUOTE=Scrimp;35052831]Yet again the cops are shitting up.[/QUOTE]
Because people like you can't fucking read, I'll do this:
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holy shit do any of you guys think this through?
-Someone breaks into your house and you call 911
-you're hiding from the intruder and can't speak on the phone, since you're unresponsive to the operator they send officers to check it out, as they should
-Police arrive and knock on the door. The intruder won't even open the door to identify himself, just shouts out "hey guys nothing wrong in here you can just go home now"
Are you really going to argue that officers didn't have probable cause to enter and that they should turn around and leave in this situation?
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To me it seems that both parties are at fault here.
Lets just say things were mishandled, and leave it at that.
Sensationalist headline is not as sensationalist as it first seems
[QUOTE=Source]
They fired electric charges from Tasers, and beanbags from shotguns. Then they said they saw Mr. Chamberlain grab a knife, and an officer fired his handgun.
Boom! Boom! Mr. Chamberlain’s niece Tonyia Greenhill, who lives upstairs, recalls the echoes ricocheting about the hall. She pushed out a back door and ran into the darkness beneath overarching oaks. He lay on the floor near his kitchen, two bullet holes in his chest, blood pooling thick, dying.
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