• WSJ: Young women in college need to smarten up and start hubby-hunting
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didn't someone post a report that showed that men DID feel emasculated when their wives made more money then them, though simski brought one up, at least
so what? you think that's going to change if we encourage women to NOT try to be successful so they don't hurt the feelings of wuss men that can't handle not being dominant anymore?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930356]maybe you should read it? she's saying men will be emasculated by a more successful woman, that men don't want women who are as intelligent or more so than them. she's a fucking idiot and whoever she is telling would benefit alot more from her shutting up[/QUOTE] So they should get a man BEFORE they become successful.... Good lord, it's like you think she's telling women to either have a career or a man, and that's just not true. It's just pure misinformation.
should they get one before they become smart too?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930406]so what? you think that's going to change if we encourage women to NOT try to be successful so they don't hurt the feelings of wuss men that can't handle not being dominant anymore?[/QUOTE] i don't give a shit about this, i was just pointing out what simski said like a page ago although maybe instead of gettin' mad at men for trying to be masculine and being depressed when they aren't you could instead attack the concept of masculinity as we know it? since gender conventions are such dumb shit and all
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930406]so what? you think that's going to change if we encourage women to NOT try to be successful so they don't hurt the feelings of wuss men that can't handle not being dominant anymore?[/QUOTE] That's not what is being said in the slightest. No-one is discouraging women, just acknowledging that it is an issue successful women deal with. Is your argument that you think it doesn't occur, or that in your opinion it shouldn't occur?
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;43930489]i don't give a shit about this, i was just pointing out what simski said like a page ago although maybe instead of gettin' mad at men for trying to be masculine and being depressed when they aren't you could instead attack the concept of masculinity as we know it? since gender conventions are such dumb shit and all[/QUOTE] i agree entirely??? which is why i'm attacking this woman who is trying to perpetuate this attitude that is harmful to both men and women? i don't like people thinking i'm some asshole that can't handle a smart or successful chick and is only gonna go for girls way younger than me [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;43930490]That's not what is being said in the slightest. No-one is discouraging women, just acknowledging that it is an issue successful women deal with. Is your argument that you think it doesn't occur, or that in your opinion it shouldn't occur?[/QUOTE] that it shouldn't, and that the attitudes that cause it to shouldn't be perpetuated. you really don't think she's encouraging it? telling women they're gonna have a harder time landing a husband if they're as smart or more successful as the man kind of carries an implication don't it?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930465]should they get one before they become smart too?[/QUOTE] Well, since you put it that way, I guess we should go with YOUR all-or-nothing approach to life. From now on, any woman who wants a family can never have a career, and all woman who want a career can never have a family. Well done, you have won sir.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930497]that it shouldn't, and that the attitudes that cause it to shouldn't be perpetuated. you really don't think she's encouraging it? telling women they're gonna have a harder time landing a husband if they're as smart or more successful as the man kind of carries an implication don't it?[/QUOTE] This is aimed at women and men are the main perpetrators of this behaviour so how could it be encouraging them? It's even more irrelevant when you look at the actual reason for why it occurs, the general culture of masculinity where for men their worth in life is how much they earn, and how that is so disconnected from people talking about the troubles successful women face. You aren't going to make it disappear if you close your eyes, it's a much bigger problem than just women perpetuating the idea and denouncing the entire article because you don't like that bit is idiocy.
you're saying that i'm the one closing my eyes? [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] i'll denounce this whole article because it's a bunch of stupid drivel. first: perpetuating the idea that men can't handle smart or successful women, two: encouraging (even if you're not gonna accept it as encouraging until she flat out says it) women to be less successful and smart, three: perpetuating the idea that women need a man to give their life worth, four: because i think the whole idea of husband hunting is fucked up
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930538]you're saying that i'm the one closing my eyes? [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] i'll denounce this whole article because it's a bunch of stupid drivel. first: perpetuating the idea that men can't handle smart or successful women, two: encouraging (even if you're not gonna accept it as encouraging until she flat out says it) women to be less successful and smart, three: perpetuating the idea that women need a man to give their life worth, four: because i think the whole idea of husband hunting is fucked up[/QUOTE] Are you deliberately acting like a child? This idea that she is perpetuating it and if she didn't mention it then it would disappear is lunacy, there are more contributing factors than women talking about it and you're doing nothing but blaming the messenger. And how many times do people need to say, this is for women who want both a career and family. You're taking a difficult situation that women face and simplifying it to "SMART WOMAN BAD, FIND HUSBAND" all while complaining everyone else's interpretations are wrong and you are the enlightened one.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43928404]Don't even start with this handwavium. Opinions can be incorrect. Opinions can be stupid, harmful, outright monstrous. Arguing whether your view if the world is right is one of the things that makes us human. Even if its arguing over subjective matters.[/QUOTE] Opinions can be wrong... subjective opinions, not so much. Subjective opinions literally can't be wrong, that would make them at least partly objective.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43930586]Are you deliberately acting like a child? This idea that she is perpetuating it and if she didn't mention it then it would disappear is lunacy, there are more contributing factors than women talking about it and you're doing nothing but blaming the messenger. And how many times do people need to say, this is for women who want both a career and family. You're taking a difficult situation that women face and simplifying it to "SMART WOMAN BAD, FIND HUSBAND" all while complaining everyone else's interpretations are wrong and you are the enlightened one.[/QUOTE] she's encouraging women to fit into this bullshit so they can get a husband that is how she is perpetuating it [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] if i was having a go at the study that showed men feel emasculated by women who are more successful, THAT would be shooting the messenger [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;43930590]Opinions can be wrong... subjective opinions, not so much. Subjective opinions literally can't be wrong, that would make them at least partly objective.[/QUOTE] they can be stupid as fuck though
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930607]she's encouraging women to fit into this bullshit so they can get a husband that is how she is perpetuating it [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] if i was having a go at the study that showed men feel emasculated by women who are more successful, THAT would be shooting the messenger[/QUOTE] Are you really reading that because intelligent men are harder to find, you should be stupider? Or that because men might feel emasculated, you should give up and earn less? These are troubles successful women face that are being acknowledged, not an encouragement to give up your job and lobotomise yourself. The entire point of the article is even how to get a successful relationship while mitigating those troubles.
'Another Valentine's Day. Another night spent ordering in sushi for one and mooning over "Downton Abbey" reruns. Smarten up, ladies.' 'Despite all of the focus on professional advancement, for most of you the cornerstone of your future happiness will be the man you marry.' 'You should be spending far more time planning for your husband than for your career' 'you have to start listening to your gut and avoid falling for the P.C. feminist line that has misled so many young women for years'
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930607]they can be stupid as fuck though[/QUOTE] Not in any meaningful sense. I mean, you're allowed to think anything is stupid, but no... there's nothing objectively stupid about any subjective opinion.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43930786]Not in any meaningful sense. I mean, you're allowed to think anything is stupid, but no... there's nothing objectively stupid about any subjective opinion.[/QUOTE] well sure if you wanna be a semantics obsessed apologist [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] which we both know you are so yeah
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930687]'Another Valentine's Day. Another night spent ordering in sushi for one and mooning over "Downton Abbey" reruns. Smarten up, ladies.' 'Despite all of the focus on professional advancement, for most of you the cornerstone of your future happiness will be the man you marry.' 'You should be spending far more time planning for your husband than for your career' 'you have to start listening to your gut and avoid falling for the P.C. feminist line that has misled so many young women for years'[/QUOTE] So according to you, putting work into relationships rather than expecting true love to fall into your lap is sexist? There is no other way around it, a good relationship takes work and if you want both a family and career, you will have to put some work into both. Nowhere does it encourage giving up your career or being stupid just to get a husband, it even acknowledges that not all women want a family if you read the part just before the bolded section "Not all women want marriage or motherhood, but if you do...". The only thing you're complaining about is the actual issue successful women face of getting a family, all the while crying that it shouldn't be hard and dismissing any advice given.
i guess i just fell for the PC feminist line
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930806]well sure if you wanna be a semantics obsessed apologist [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] which we both know you are so yeah[/QUOTE] If by semantically obsessed you mean truth obsessed, then yes. You have literally been calling someone's subjective opinion wrong and stupid and then when someone calls you out about it you complain about semantics. You've been constantly flaming, insulting, and name calling the entire thread. Here are a few examples from like 3 pages: "haha he's got you here max. feminist is just a code word for anti-men" "'i guess you guys wouldn't understand' yes i guess i don't understand your 14 year old perception of 'true love'" "not saying that's your literal age, but saying you have a childish perception of 'love' also, a bit hypocritical to be saying 'YOU HAVE LITERALLY NO IDEA WHO I AM' when you're gonna be saying 'oh it's a love thing i GUESS you guys wouldn't understaaaand'" "redpill" "posting is just a game" "people that draw those parallels are emotionally-retarded borderline sociopathic losers so i dunno i'd rather not" (my personal favorite) "you cry about someone calling you 14 when you post this kind of stupid shit lol" "yes i'm sure 'love' and relationships have just as much feelings involved as the literal games you play. yes i'm sure when you get your heart broken you're gonna feel just as bad as when you lose a cod game. you are 14" "peace, i'm 'quitting to desktop' on this game of an argument"
those are all just my subjective opinions dude
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930889]those are all just my subjective opinions dude[/QUOTE] My subjective opinion is that you're nothing more than a douchebag who think he has the right to insult people simply because he feels that he's smarter than them. I'm done responding to you. I just felt that you had to be called out by someone.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930832]i guess i just fell for the PC feminist line[/QUOTE] What are you even arguing? That if women want a family and a career, they should just focus on their career and not bother working on relationships? There's plenty of career women out there who are getting older and are desperate for a family, this wouldn't be worth brining up if there wasn't. What do you have to say to them, tough luck? And their advice to younger career women who want to avoid that situation, you dismiss it because you don't like it?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43930897]What are you even arguing? That if women want a family and a career, they should just focus on their career and not bother working on relationships? There's plenty of career women out there who are getting older and are desperate for a family, this wouldn't be worth brining up if there wasn't. What do you have to say to them, tough luck? And their advice to younger career women who want to avoid that situation, you dismiss it because you don't like it?[/QUOTE] not arguing with you anymore man, i feel like sometimes you guys are just completely incapable of reading between the lines. like, i'm not even hugely against what YOU'RE saying.
WSJ can go suck on the dicks of the men they're trying to appease.* *Only the male works(I'mdrunkasfucK)
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43930902]not arguing with you anymore man, i feel like sometimes you guys are just completely incapable of reading between the lines. like, i'm not even hugely against what YOU'RE saying.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you read what you want and then go on a massive tirade because you think people could misinterpret it as badly as you have. As long as you can see some way it can be misconstrued, that's a perfect thing to latch onto. You're right about this not being an argument any more, you're just shitposting and claiming it's all your opinions and interpretation.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43930929]Yeah, you read what you want and then go on a massive tirade because you think people could misinterpret it as badly as you have. As long as you can see some way it can be misconstrued, that's a perfect thing to latch onto. You're right about this not being an argument any more, you're just shitposting and claiming it's all your opinions and interpretation.[/QUOTE] that opinion thing was a joke aimed at sgman
Again I apologize but WSJ is a shit hole when it comes to reality.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;43930818]So according to you, putting work into relationships rather than expecting true love to fall into your lap is sexist? There is no other way around it, a good relationship takes work and if you want both a family and career, you will have to put some work into both. Nowhere does it encourage giving up your career or being stupid just to get a husband, it even acknowledges that not all women want a family if you read the part just before the bolded section "Not all women want marriage or motherhood, but if you do...". The only thing you're complaining about is the actual issue successful women face of getting a family, all the while crying that it shouldn't be hard and dismissing any advice given.[/QUOTE] Except the problem with them is not that they imply you have to give up your job (since they don't say that), it's that it's suggesting women (and specifically women) should focus on finding a husband over advancing their career or their current job. Furthermore, they say that most women should expect/want their husband to be the most monumental thing in their life. They are not saying this is true or should be the case for men and women, though that still wouldn't be right, they are saying it for women alone.
[QUOTE=Megafan;43931189]Except the problem with them is not that they imply you have to give up your job (since they don't say that), it's that it's suggesting women (and specifically women) should focus on finding a husband over advancing their career or their current job. Furthermore, they say that most women should expect/want their husband to be the most monumental thing in their life. They are not saying this is true or should be the case for men and women, though that still wouldn't be right, they are saying it for women alone.[/QUOTE] Two things. The part about the cornerstone of your future happiness being the man you marry isn't saying that your husband is the most important thing, just that you will get a lot more happiness from a good family than being alone in a slightly better position in your career. A job is great but if you come home to longing feelings of a family then it'll just spoil everything. As for speaking to women only, it's an article on advice for career women, what would you expect? Nothing says that women to the exclusion of men should put effort into building a family, and when it's targeted at women what is the point of bringing up that men who work non-stop will also end up alone?
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